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Everybody is always comparing how many their miles per gallon their truck gets. I have never seen real data from real truck owners to backup their claims. So here is some real world data on my truck.



Since I bought my truck I have kept an excel file with my MPG data. I've attached a PDF file of my real world data.



The first page is the overall analysis. Then next 3 pages are a print out I keep in the truck. I use this to record my data at the pump. Page 5 had the graph displaying my MPG and page 6 is a diesel fuel price graph. The last 3 pages is the raw data where i enter the data into excel.



Some notes: I bought the truck used in Aug 04 with just under 20k on it. It is an 2003 4x4 Quadcab, 48RE transmission, 4. 10 gears, and currently on BFG AT 315/70R17 tires. There are NO modifications to this truck other than the tires.



I'm probably going to get comments on this.
 
My log would look pretty close to yours if you add 3 mpg to most fillups.

Here are my last 4 fillups:



18. 52 empty, lots of short trips 5-10 miles

17. 52 empty, and about 100 miles towing 12K dozer on county roads 50 mph

20. 07 empty

21. 26 empty



03 4x4 quadcab 2500 LWB 6 speed, 3. 73, BFG 315 tires



(hand calculated, calibrated odometer--I use a multiplier in my calculator to get true miles, average 19. 5 mpg, highest 21. 5, lowest empty 18. 5, lowest towing 12).

I don't commute (I get stuck in a bumper-to-bumper occasionally). Most trips are empty, on county roads (50-60 mph), stop signs and lights every mile or two, and local freeway 68-70 mph. Occasionlly a longer trip at 75-78 mph.
 
Everybody is always comparing how many their miles per gallon their truck gets. I have never seen real data from real truck owners to backup their claims. So here is some real world data on my truck.



I have seen and read about countless people who have done and do keep track as meticulously as you do. I have seen lots of real data, from real owners right here on this forum, not sure how you missed it;)



I generally just check every once in a great while to see if there has been any significant change in the milage I expect to get. I guess close enough is good for me. I would agree that anybody who goes through all that trouble to track everything just might have too much time on their hands. Neat, but essentially worthless data mining IMO. :-{}



Once broken in these trucks get 20 mpg empty, all five of mine have anyway. The '03-'04 trucks do a little better, especially if 48re/3. 73 trucks. Mine used to get 23 empty consistantly. My '05-'06 automatic trucks would get 19-20, and my G56 '06 is around 18, though I need to re-check now that I have added the Quadzilla box.



All in all, I think the Cummins gets the best milage in class. I hade two Isuzu-max trucks that never did better than 15 or so empty. I never owned a 6. 0L Ford for obvious reasons:p
 
I keep a log on my 01 and the wifes 06, the first tank of fuel I put in the 01 cost me $1. 229 per gallon. I didn't keep a log on the 93 but I know that was less than a buck.
 
Everybody is always comparing how many their miles per gallon their truck gets. I have never seen real data from real truck owners to backup their claims. So here is some real world data on my truck.

Since I bought my truck I have kept an excel file with my MPG data. I've attached a PDF file of my real world data.

The first page is the overall analysis. Then next 3 pages are a print out I keep in the truck. I use this to record my data at the pump. Page 5 had the graph displaying my MPG and page 6 is a diesel fuel price graph. The last 3 pages is the raw data where i enter the data into excel.

Some notes: I bought the truck used in Aug 04 with just under 20k on it. It is an 2003 4x4 Quadcab, 48RE transmission, 4. 10 gears, and currently on BFG AT 315/70R17 tires. There are NO modifications to this truck other than the tires.

I'm probably going to get comments on this.







Welcome to TDR JBoardman. Are you any relation to Greg Boardman. I'm impressed with the data you have compiled. I do that too, but not to that degree. I keep close tract of all my fill up because it's a good indicator of how your truck is running. If your mileage drops all of sudden, you know something is going on.
 
I hand calculate mine. Last 5 fillups have all been 15MPG and some change.

Thats not hauling anything either.

I should actually keep it written down.
 
here is my numbers from this year so far. . i use the fuel economy calculator that is on the toronto gas prices website [same as gas buddy i think]

  • date------cost/liter---quantity--total-----odometer--station---liters/100km
  • 7/21/2007--- 87. 3--- 76. 978--- $67. 20--- 51,676--- Shell - tbd
  • 7/5/2007--- 89. 9--- 99. 015--- $89. 01--- 51,106--- Sunoco - 13. 5
  • 6/20/2007--- 91. 9--- 98. 380--- $90. 41--- 50,387--- Esso - 13. 8
  • 6/3/2007--- 83. 9--- 98. 898--- $82. 98--- 49,656--- Can Tire - 13. 5
  • 5/23/2007--- 93. 9--- 104. 640--- $98. 26--- 48,887--- Sunoco - 12. 9
  • 5/1/2007--- 92. 8--- 94. 854--- $88. 02--- 48,142--- Sunoco - 14
  • 4/14/2007--- 95. 9--- 104. 275--- $100. 00--- 47,466--- Esso - 14
  • 3/29/2007--- 94. 9--- 105. 374--- $100. 00--- 46,751--- Esso - 14. 6
  • 3/6/2007--- 85. 9--- 104. 742--- $89. 97--- 45,957--- Can Tire - 13. 3
  • 2/15/2007--- 86. 9--- 115. 105--- $100. 03--- 45,238--- Esso - 14. 6
  • 1/27/2007--- 77. 9--- 102. 519--- $79. 86--- 44,434--- Shell - 14. 3
  • 1/11/2007--- 86. 9--- 114. 183--- $99. 23--- 43,752--- Esso - 15

for those who can't figure out liters per 100 km
 
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To get a more accurate number, you could use the miles covered in your previous 5 fillups and the amount of fuel to go that distance. This would minimize the variability in how full you fill the tank. I. e. not quite full one time would be compensated for the next time and the uncertainty would remain constant. Just a suggestion for those using Excel to track fuel mileage.
 
I ketp track of mine in an Excel spreadsheet for the first 33K miles. I plotted each data point (MPG based on gallons to fill and miles travelled since last fill) and the running average MPG to see how it trended as the engine broke in. I made notes when I was doing something different than usual, like a long highway trip or towing heavy but plotted it all, regardless. It started out new at just under 17 MPG, reached 17. 7 MPG at 8K miles, hit 18. 5 MPG at 27K miles and was still headed up slowly when I quit keeping track. I get about 19-19. 5 MPG now in a mix of city and highway. It was interesting to see the trend as well as the large variability from tank to tank. Most of the inaccuracy from tank to tank was probaby due to not refilling to exactly the same point but I could also see the differences from different driving conditions and habits. My lowest was 15MPG and my highest was 21MPG.
 
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Since I must submit a monthly fuel log on the Excursion, I have printed copies and do the same for the Ram.

I have the mileage, cost and gallons for every tankful since new in 03.

The form has a space for notes like tires, towing, empty etc. If I am running my summer wheels w/ 295's, I make note.

After a period goes by, I start to run some totals. Since I cant ever seem to get into the 20's, I dont tally it very often.

It is amusing to review and see 4-5 months between fillups sometimes.

Cheers-
 
I would agree that anybody who goes through all that trouble to track everything just might have too much time on their hands. Neat, but essentially worthless data mining IMO.



Gotta disagree with that. Collecting data on your truck can both help in identifying problems and getting dealer support for warranty issues. It's like a private investigator collecting and logging data on someone he's following vs. verbally recounting to his client what the subject did that day. And if you sell the truck, a potential buyer is more likely to believe you when you describe the truck if you have data to back it up. Someone who doesn't take care of their truck probably won't go to the trouble of logging everything (no, I'm not saying the reverse is necessarily true). I keep an event log to record all fill-ups, fuel additives, MPG, oil changes, filter changes, when and where dents occurred and other events in the life of my truck. My running MPG over 85,000 miles is right at 17 MPG, including all towing, hauling and my heavy foot on the accelerator. If I get a load of bad fuel I can go back to where I bought it and show them log entries and receipts for every fill up this truck has had since I bought it with more confidence that they will rectify the situation. If you don't have that data, it comes down to whether they accept your word or not and want to do something about it.
 
I have seen and read about countless people who have done and do keep track as meticulously as you do. I have seen lots of real data, from real owners right here on this forum, not sure how you missed it;)



I generally just check every once in a great while to see if there has been any significant change in the milage I expect to get. I guess close enough is good for me. I would agree that anybody who goes through all that trouble to track everything just might have too much time on their hands. Neat, but essentially worthless data mining IMO. :-{}

I agree on both of these points. I used to compile data like this, and decided it was a waste of *my* time. But, I can go through 3 tanks a day sometimes.



Anytime I make a change in configuration, I go back to the spreadsheet for a short while, but give it up again after I see what I want to see.
 
I agree on both of these points. I used to compile data like this, and decided it was a waste of *my* time. But, I can go through 3 tanks a day sometimes.



Anytime I make a change in configuration, I go back to the spreadsheet for a short while, but give it up again after I see what I want to see.



It probably took you longer to reply to this post than it would take to record a month's worth of mileage data... :-laf



I track my mileage in a similar format, primarily for tax purposes.



Later ;)
 
It probably took you longer to reply to this post than it would take to record a month's worth of mileage data... :-laf



I track my mileage in a similar format, primarily for tax purposes.



Later ;)



Like I said, I can burn 3 tanks a day, and I don't need it for tax purposes.
 
Everybody is always comparing how many their miles per gallon their truck gets. I have never seen real data from real truck owners to backup their claims. So here is some real world data on my truck.



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I'm probably going to get comments on this.

yeah you probably will deservedly get a couple of comments as your dang close to callin' other folks a liar on their mpg claims.

Whats funney is your wanting me to accept your data but your not accepting mine.

JIM
 
Everybody is always comparing how many their miles per gallon their truck gets. I have never seen real data from real truck owners to backup their claims. So here is some real world data on my truck.



Since I bought my truck I have kept an excel file with my MPG data. I've attached a PDF file of my real world data.

The first page is the overall analysis. Then next 3 pages are a print out I keep in the truck. I use this to record my data at the pump. Page 5 had the graph displaying my MPG and page 6 is a diesel fuel price graph. The last 3 pages is the raw data where i enter the data into excel.

Some notes: I bought the truck used in Aug 04 with just under 20k on it. It is an 2003 4x4 Quadcab, 48RE transmission, 4. 10 gears, and currently on BFG AT 315/70R17 tires. There are NO modifications to this truck other than the tires.

I'm probably going to get comments on this.







Well JBoardman, let's hear from you. You just can't start a thread and then go hide under a rock.
 
For what it's worth, i've been keeping track of my mileage fairly closely and posting 10k mile updates on DTW: If interested for comparisons sake, here is the first 3 postings and the dates listed, verbatim:

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10/3/2006:

The dirty details for all those who are interested in the fuel mileage of a 2006 diesel pickup at 10k. This is mine. Pretty much an even 50/50 city highway. There was a 3000 mile round trip to St. Louis in here, so take that into consideration. Truck is a quad cab, short bed 4x4, 3. 73 rear, automatic, SLT, blah,blah,blah ... . look at my profile if you need to know more.



Miles to date: 10299 (estimate of end of current tank)

Gallons to date: 574. 762



Average fuel economy: 17. 92 miles to the gallon



Total cost of fuel: $1789. 97

Gas to date (unadjusted*): $1823. 31

Avg per gallon diesel:$3. 11

Avg per gallon 89 octane:$3. 17



(* I have also kept track of the cost of gasoline [89 octane as per the HEMI recommendation] every time I filled up. In some cases, gas was considerably more expensive, as it was over the summer. In other cases, like now, diesel is considerably more expensive. )



Fuel mileage adjustment is as follows:

Inferred MPG for a 2500 comparable to mine: 12 mpg overall



Factor-of difference between 12 and 17. 92: 1. 49



So, the gasoline used would be the gallons used times 1. 49:



Estimated gas usage:$2722. 62



Difference between estimated gas and actual diesel cost:



Wait for it ... .



$935. 56 saved in the first 112 days of ownership.



2/19/2007:

Miles to date: 20,470

Gallons to date:1196. 586



Average fuel economy: 17. 11 miles to the gallon



Total cost of fuel:3576. 47

Total cost of gas (*unadjusted):3452. 75



*This number represents what the same volume of gasoline would have cost. It does not take into account, yet, the lower fuel consumption adjustment necessary to compensate for the higher efficiency of a diesel engine*



Average per gallon diesel:2. 99

Average per gallon gas (89 octante):2. 92



Inferred MPG of a comparably equipped 2500 Ram with a gasoline motor: 12 - This is JUST an estimate. I've heard numbers as low as 10, but for now, i'm leaving this number as is. I'll make other comparisons with lower estimates at the bottom of this post.



Factor of difference between 12 and 17. 11: 1. 43



This means that I would have to use 43% more gasoline than diesel to go the same distance I have gone, which means 3452. 75 x 1. 43:

4922. 19 adusted gas usage



The difference between the fuel usage and adjusted gas usage at 20K miles is: 1345. 72 bucks



Now, the first time I did this, over the same mileage period, I saved almost double the amount of money I did this time. This can be easily explained, I believe, by a few factors.



1. The relatively static nature of diesel prices while gasoline prices have steadily crept down. Last time the average diesel price was 8 cents lower than gasolin. Now, it's 7 cents higher.

2. The winter blend that i'm sure all my stations around here are running.

3. My heavier foot.

4. There is a distinct possibilty of ULSD having SOME affect.

5. My WAY heavier foot.



Now, i've had this thing for 250 days. Considering it's saved me 1345 bucks in that time, it means i'm saving myself about 5. 40 a day in fuel. Which, at about 30 days a month is about 160 bucks. Considering the truck costs about 95 bucks more a month for the diesel, i'm still making out.



Just in case anyone was wondering. LOL



Also, in case anyone was wondering, i've decided to show how much I would've saved if my estimates on a 2500 Ram's fuel mileage were overly optimistic (which, I think they are):



at 11. 5 mpg:1559

at 11 mpg:1793

at 10. 5 mpg:2048 (I think this esimate is probably about the most accurate)

at 10 mpg:2330



That's it, i'm done!



7/10/2007:

I'm not sure if anyone finds all this terribly interesting or not, but I hit 30k miles and it's time for my fuel update. Just for informations sake.



The lift and tires went on at approximately 25030 miles ... so about 5000 miles ago.



Miles to date: 30528

Actually miles to date tire adjustment: 30918 (7% adustment)

Gallons to date: 1850. 148



Average fuel economy to 25030 miles (before tires): 16. 989

Average fuel economy from 25030 to present (after tires): 15. 855 (adjusted 7%)



Total cost of fuel to date: 5472. 47

Total cost of gas (*unadjusted): 5457. 79



*This number represents what the same volume of gasoline would have cost. It does not take into account, yet, the lower fuel consumption adjustment necessary to compensate for the higher efficiency of a diesel engine*



Average per gallon diesel overall to date: 2. 97

Average per gallon gas (89 octante)overall to date: 2. 98



Inferred MPG of a comparably equipped 2500 Ram with a gasoline motor BEFORE tires and lift: 12

Inferred MPG of a comparably equipped 2500 Ram with a gasoline motor AFTER tires and loft: 11. 18



(My mileage is approximately 93% what it was before the lift and tires. I applied this directly to my previous estimate of 12 mpg to come up with 11. 18, assuming all factors remained the same. This a strong,non-scientific, yet necessary, assumption. )





Factor of difference between 11. 18 and 15. 855: 1. 43

(notice how the factor of difference has not changed from my 20k report, as this is a necessity to overcome statistical limitations of accounting for all the differences that may have occurred. While not an ENTIRELY accurate representation, for our purposes, it's close enough. )



This means that I would have to use 43% more gasoline than diesel to go the same distance I have gone, which means $5457. 79 x 1. 43:

$7729. 95 adjusted gas usage



The difference between the actual fuel usage and adjusted estimated gas usage at 30K miles is: 2257. 48 bucks (WOW!)(At this rate, the 6000 dollar difference will start paying me back at about 79k miles, assuming all things remain constant, and not including the higher resale value of the truck. )



So in the last 10k miles of driving, i've saved over 900 bucks by driving the diesel. Wow. Just wow. Take into account that the diesel was an extra 75 bucks a payment over each of those six months, and i've still saved 450 bucks altogether.



Now, i've had this thing for 395 days. It's saved me 2257 bucks in that time. That's a savings of 5. 71 (compare to 5. 40 from previous report) a day. That's 171 dollars a month (compare to previous report of 160) in savings just for driving it. So if the diesel cost less than 171 dollars more a month than the gasser in my payments (which it's about half that), it's worth it financially.



Just in case anyone was wondering. LOL



Also, in case anyone was wondering, i've decided to show how much I would've saved if my estimates on a 2500 Ram's fuel mileage were overly optimistic (which, I think they are):



at 11 mpg: 2402

at 10. 5 mpg: 2784

at 10 mpg: 3193

at 9. 5 mpg: 3652 (If this was the case, i'd start making money back on the deal at about 50k miles)



Now, one final aside is in regards to the loss of mileage with the new tires. They are 305/70-17 - about 34 inches tall. It's a difference in height of just about 7% (6. 989% to be exact) to the stock tires. All these figures HAVE been adjusted, where noted, for the increased distance traveled beyond what the unadjusted speedometer says (The 06 speedometer is NOT adjustable up to this size, of course!). Also keep in mind, i'm running 45 psi up front and 40 psi in the back for the Kore lift, and that can, and does, affect mileage.



That being said, my mileage before the tires was a solidly arrived at 16. 989. My mileage, adjusted, after the tires, is a solid 15. 855. That's a difference of 1. 134 mpg (LESS!). Black and white folks, the numbers don't lie.



With 3. 73 gears, with all the driving I do, probably a very close 50/50 city highway, maybe ever so slightly more city, I have lost 1. 134 mpg.



God, I wish I had 4. 10's. LOL



That's it, i'm done!

Hope you enjoyed!

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That's all of them. Hope that helps a little - or maybe it just confuses the issue more! LOL
 
Sorry for not posting. I made the original post while I was at work. I do have a family and other things to do.



First I'm not calling anyone a liar. My point is there are people who state they get XX MPG on their truck. They are either getting it off the overhead console or calculate it once or twice and go with that number. Most would agree that the overhead console is relatively accurate, but not as good as hand calculating it. If there is no data to support your claims I'm very skeptical.



I don't have all day to read posts. If I missed the posts with real data supporting data I apologize. On this board or others, however I view many MPG claims like fishing or hunting stories. They are sometimes exaggerated. Unless you can prove it I have a hard time believing it. I have maybe 3-4 hrs of time in the spreadsheet over the last 3 yrs.



For some of us it just isn't practical to keep track of all this data.
 
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