Bad fuel, dealer said entire sys needs replaced!

[Wygate]

#@$%!The truck is a 2009 Megacab with just short of 6000 miles on it. No mods of anykind.

Apperantly I got a large ammount of water and rust in the tank Friday around noon at the 70/76 merge on the PA trunpike (breezewood). The truck never showed any codes and never lost any power, I still was getting low 12's when it went into "limp mode", still no codes. shut it down and restarted the DPF full showed.



How is it possable that a $50,000 truck would not shut down when a designated ammount of water was detected or even show a code for water in fuel?



What should be replaced? Flush it and try to run it or will I expect to have issues for the rest of my life?Oo.

 

[HBarlow]

I think one of the TDR member Dodge dealer diesel techs has posted recently that the only fix is a HPCR pump and injectors. I don't think there are any shortcuts.

Call your insurance company and report the problem, save a sample of the fuel, record dates, names and addresses, and all documentation.

 

[Austin Diesel]

#@$%!The truck is a 2009 Megacab with just short of 6000 miles on it. No mods of anykind.

Apperantly I got a large ammount of water and rust in the tank Friday around noon at the 70/76 merge on the PA trunpike (breezewood). The truck never showed any codes and never lost any power, I still was getting low 12's when it went into "limp mode", still no codes. shut it down and restarted the DPF full showed.



How is it possable that a $50,000 truck would not shut down when a designated ammount of water was detected or even show a code for water in fuel?



What should be replaced? Flush it and try to run it or will I expect to have issues for the rest of my life?Oo.

just dont know why a 2 stage prefilter with recirculating winter heated element or a tank heating pad isnt standard to prevent gelling during winter months it works for volvo arctic package has a 12 volt element built in.



50 or 60 thousand dollar truck and its not there from the factory guess they would rather sell parts and warranty labor??



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Will this cause to much backpressure on the factory pump set up ?the "Racor" is a quality unit with the site glass on the bottom to view contaminants.



could mount in under the bed rail just past the tank inlet.









This Racor diesel filter is brand new in the box. It removes 99% of water in your fuel and comes with a low restriction heat exchanger installed inside the unit that can use engine coolant or return fuel lines to heat the incoming fuel up to 90 degrees in one pass! Heating the fuel prevents gelling, filter plugging and increase water seperation as water is much easier to be seperated at warmer temperatures. The heater has a thermostat to control the heating so there is nothing for you to do in the warmer months, this unit takes care of it.



This unit is also has 2 heating ports for using 1 or 2 electric heaters that can be used in conjunction with or without the coolant heater being used (the filter will arrive with them capped off). Racor offers a 120VAC, 12VDC or 24VDC heaters for this unit. We stock the 120 VAC electric heating element for $68. We also stock the 2 micron filters for this unit at $16 each and combine shipping for added savings.



Other features of this unit include a fuel primer port on top of the assembly, a internal check valve that prevents loss of prime, a heavy-duty integrated mounting bracket that is part of its one piece billet aluminum machined body, a clear bottom bowl that allows the operator to check for water and solid contamination at a glance, and a self-venting drain which allows the water to be drained off from the fuel without tools and without the need to re-prime the unit.



This filter also has a water in fuel probe port and a color coded vacuum restriction gauge accurately display fuel filter element condition and tell you when it needs to be changed saving you time and money. Owner's manual with installation tips, specifications, parts diagram with part numbers for everything on the unit is also included.



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This one does it all :



Specifications:



Maximum Flow Rate 150 GPH (568 LPH)



Fuel and Coolant Port Size ½” NPT



Maximum Working Pressure 30 PSI (2. 1 bar)



Maximum Temperature Range -40° to +255°F (-40° to +124°C)







i head there was a severe duty filter package coming from dodge soon ?dont know the part number?

i want one for my truck to prevent these problems also. Seeing we are not supposed to put additives in to tank. we dont even have #1 diesel here in central texas but a bullit proof prefilter setup would increase filter interval changes on the primary filter.



This setup works for every line hauler in the world it should fit the dodge too !!!



Austin Diesel

 

[Wygate]

Thanks Austin,

I use racor stuff on our work boats, figured they had road stuff also. That looks like a great set-up.

 

[HBarlow]

sag2 recently posted part numbers and basic description of the new Dodge filter kit here on TDR.

 

[Austin Diesel]

Thanks Austin,

I use racor stuff on our work boats, figured they had road stuff also. That looks like a great set-up.

this is on ebay right now 250 bucks plus shipping no tax,

nice unit does everything

 

[Austin Diesel]

sag2 recently posted part numbers and basic description of the new Dodge filter kit here on TDR.

Harvey,



got a pic of the Mopar unit ? which thread is it under ? will it fit a 08? will the mod void the warranty on a earlier model ? is there a install or plumbing kit ? replacement filter part numbers and pricing ?



Austin Diesel

 

[HBarlow]

No, I didn't save it but it was a sag2 thread started perhaps four to six weeks ago right here in the ISB6. 7 forum. I don't think he posted pictures but my feeble memory suggests someone else added a photo to sag2's thread. Or maybe I saw a photo on the Cummins sight? I'm sorry I don't have any better info but I'm almost certain a basic search under sag2's forum name will quickly locate it.

 

[Regcabguy]

The best part about the Mopar kit is that it'll preserve your warranty being a factory initiated part,plus it should help us pass the bs emission tests coming up. Airdog's got a CARB# but not Dodge's blessing. On our trip to Oregon via 101 and 1, I was amazed at how many stations had diesel. I only had to add fuel at one small town's station. Other than that,Chevron's,Shell's,76's were abundant as were diesel pickups.

 

[JWadford]

just because you got some bad fuel, doesnt mean it wiped out the fuel system, what comes out of your water separator, if you didnt drive it long you might be able to just clean the tank and replace the filters and start with clean fresh fuel.

 

[Bob4x4]

Here it is one more time

Qty. Part No. Description

1

(AR)

68046192AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DC 143. 5 & 167. 5 WB 52 Gal

Fuel Tank - 6. 7L

1

(AR)

68046193AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DC 143. 5 & 167. 5 WB 22 Gal

Fuel Tank - 6. 7L

1

(AR)

68045251AB Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DH/D1 140. 5 & 160. 5 WB 34

Gal Fuel Tank - 6. 7L

1

(AR)

68045252AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DH/D1 140. 5 & 160. 5 WB 35

Gal Fuel Tank - 6. 7L

1

(AR)

68046206AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DC 163. 5 WB 52 Gal Fuel

Tank - 6. 7L

1

(AR)

68046207AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DC 163. 5 WB 22 Gal Fuel

Tank - 6. 7L

1

(AR)

68045253AB Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DH/D1 140. 5 & 160. 5 WB 34

Gal Fuel Tank - 5. 9L

1

(AR)

68045254AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DH/D1 140. 5 & 160. 5 WB 35

Gal Fuel Tank - 5. 9L

1

(AR)

68051906AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Tank Ventilation - DC 52 Gallon Tank

1

(AR)

68061341AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Tank Ventilation - D1/DH 35 Gallon Tank

1

(AR)

68061342AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Tank Ventilation - D1/DH 34 Gallon Tank

1

(AR)

68061633AA Element, Fuel Filter - Shell and Filter (5 Micron)

1

(AR)

68061634AA Element, Fuel Filter - This filter to supersede the original

5183410AA filter when supplies are exhausted.

**1

(AR)

53034249AA Element, Air Filter - 2003 - 2009 - 5. 9L**

 

[HBarlow]

Bob,

I'm not sufficiently experienced with Dodge parts catalogs to understand the information provided.

I'd like to e-mail my favorite parts woman, "K" @ MOPAR4LESS, for a price on the severe duty fuel filtration kit for my truck.

Would you tell me what I need for a complete installation?

My truck is a 3500 drw 4x2 quad cab and chassis with 60" cab to axle and 163. 5" wheelbase.

The way I read the chart this is the one I want:

"1 (AR) 68046206AA Kit, Severe Duty Fuel Filtration - DC 163. 5 WB 52 Gal Fuel
Tank - 6. 7L"

Do I require any additional individual components?

Is the tank ventilation kit something included or something additional needed?

I already have a shelf lined with fuel filters from Geno's so don't need to buy any more ordinary filters if they are not included with the kit.

 

[Austin Diesel]

Mopar Aux Severe duty filter setup

TSB 14-003-09





New Mopar Heavy Duty Severe Fuel Filtration Kits Available



They have been talking about it for a long time and the TSB is finally out. TSB 14-003-09 gives all the details.

Fits all 2004-2009 trucks and Chassis Cab. Includes lift pump and remote mounted filter. Have not seen it yet but is should be a well engineered set up.



They all retail for $750. " Plus labor "$$$$



This better be gold plated just have not pay rent or skip a payment or two to pay for it .



MODELS:

2004 - 2009 (D1/DH) Ram Truck (2500/3500 Pick Up)

2007 - 2009 (DC) Ram Truck (3500 Cab Chassis)

NOTE: This bulletin applies to D1/DH vehicles equipped with a 5. 9L Cummins engine

built after January 1, 2005 and D1/DH/DC vehicles equipped with a 6. 7L

Cummins engine built from 2007 model year (sales codes ETH, ETJ).



DISCUSSION:



Several fuel system add-on or retrofit parts are available to enhance the filtering capability for customers exposing their vehicles to extremely dirty conditions or contaminated fuel dispensor pump filters or storage tanks.



Description of parts available for Cummins diesel equipped vehicles are listed below:

· 5. 9L & 6. 7L Water stripping, frame mounted filter kit. This kit includes the following: revised lift pump, lines, heater, water in fuel (WIF) sensor, and instructions.

· 6. 7L up-graded (5 micron) fuel filter to retrofit earlier models (shell and element).

· 6. 7L Element only, fuel filter.

· 5. 9L & 6. 7L Add-on or up-graded fuel tank vent hose kit with vent cap.

NOTE: Several parts will be added to this bulletin when they are available. The bulletin will be revised when they become available. These parts include a Filter with Bracket assembly which will replace the cap on the fuel tank vents for all the above vehicles, a 5 micron fuel filter for 5. 9 engines and an improved air filter for 5. 9 engines.

NOTE: The maintenance intervals for the fuel filters (engine mounted filter and chassis mounted severe duty fuel filtration kit filter) maintain a 15,000 mile service requirement for both





5. 9 /6. 7 LONGEVITY AND DEPENDABILITY PRODUCT ISSUES:



WHY DOES MY DIESEL NEED BETTER FUEL FILTRATION?



The 5-7 micron particles that pass thru your factory fuel filter are abrasive at the 23-26 thousand PSI range.



The end result is injector failure due to high fuel return rates causing loss of power and long crank times. One set of injectors could buy a pallet of these filter kits!

The factory water separator is a gravity type, water settles to the bottom of diesel.



The problem being the factory fuel pump location is before the separator so the contamination/water is mixed with the fuel as it is drawn up the fuel straw through the pump vanes from the tank and is in suspension as it hits the primary filter can! .



Industrial Diesel apps. have multiple filter/separators and is a suction type setup to prevent this issue dodge does not.



The effectiveness of the factory separator isn't enough to protect your engine investment or injection components from water contamination failure claims. Water/Fuel contamination causes rust, the end result being failed injectors, cross over tubes, fuel rail and if its bad enough, injection pumps etc.



Warranty will not cover fuel contamination! Guess we cannot buy "Big 3, "Certified" Refined Pure Clean Diesel Fuel " ? YET at the pump ????



Just a slight oversight on the manufacturers part at the purchasers expense.



how do the automotive attorneys push for a chrysler recall and update for the TSB retrofit kit on their nickel? seems llike a production omission and a pre filter should have come with all 6. 7 's from the factory as standard equipment.



All diesel 2010 models will have this part preinstalled,according to my service manager.



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I would like a picture of this new severe filter setup to look at soon.





ford and chevy are having the same problems also



Austin Diesel

 

[gsbrockman]

Call your insurance company and report the problem, save a sample of the fuel, record dates, names and addresses, and all documentation.

Notifying his insurance company is fine... ... . but shouldn't the actual claim be filed with the selling station that dispensed the poor quality fuel?????



A friend of mine in the Milford, KY area received a tank of contaminated fuel..... the claim was filed, the Dodge dealer performed the work, and the selling station's insurance company paid the claim... ... a tad over $16k dollars if I remember correctly.



Greg

 

[Austin Diesel]

Notifying his insurance company is fine... ... . but shouldn't the actual claim be filed with the selling station that dispensed the poor quality fuel?????



A friend of mine in the Milford, KY area received a tank of contaminated fuel..... the claim was filed, the Dodge dealer performed the work, and the selling station's insurance company paid the claim... ... a tad over $16k dollars if I remember correctly.



Greg

We just get a copy of that form for our glovebox and a lawyers card to present as needed.



I just wanted a reliable $ 50,000. 00+ truck to drive ,Maybe i was dreaming.

 

[Austin Diesel]

Notifying his insurance company is fine... ... . but shouldn't the actual claim be filed with the selling station that dispensed the poor quality fuel?????



A friend of mine in the Milford, KY area received a tank of contaminated fuel..... the claim was filed, the Dodge dealer performed the work, and the selling station's insurance company paid the claim... ... a tad over $16k dollars if I remember correctly.



Greg

We just get a copy of that form for our glovebox and a lawyers card to present as needed.



I just wanted a reliable $ 50,000. 00+ truck to drive ,Maybe i was dreaming of not having a new truck that i had to work on so much or worry about?

 

[HBarlow]

Notifying his insurance company is fine... ... . but shouldn't the actual claim be filed with the selling station that dispensed the poor quality fuel?????

A friend of mine in the Milford, KY area received a tank of contaminated fuel..... the claim was filed, the Dodge dealer performed the work, and the selling station's insurance company paid the claim... ... a tad over $16k dollars if I remember correctly.

Greg

Yes, absolutely. That would have been my first phone call but I got the impression the original poster was not going to do that or had already determined that nothing was going to result from contacting the fuel seller.

 

[HBarlow]

TSB 14-003-09

sag2

New Mopar Heavy Duty Severe Fuel Filtration Kits Available

They have been talking about it for a long time and the TSB is finally out. TSB 14-003-09 gives all the details.
Fits all 2004-2009 trucks and Chassis Cab. Includes lift pump and remote mounted filter. Have not seen it yet but is should be a well engineered set up.

They all retail for $750. " Plus labor "$$$$

This better be gold plated just have not pay rent or skip a payment or two to pay for it .

MODELS:
2004 - 2009 (D1/DH) Ram Truck (2500/3500 Pick Up)
2007 - 2009 (DC) Ram Truck (3500 Cab Chassis)
NOTE: This bulletin applies to D1/DH vehicles equipped with a 5. 9L Cummins engine
built after January 1, 2005 and D1/DH/DC vehicles equipped with a 6. 7L
Cummins engine built from 2007 model year (sales codes ETH, ETJ).

DISCUSSION:

Several fuel system add-on or retrofit parts are available to enhance the filtering capability for customers exposing their vehicles to extremely dirty conditions or contaminated fuel dispensor pump filters or storage tanks.

Description of parts available for Cummins diesel equipped vehicles are listed below:
· 5. 9L & 6. 7L Water stripping, frame mounted filter kit. This kit includes the following: revised lift pump, lines, heater, water in fuel (WIF) sensor, and instructions.
· 6. 7L up-graded (5 micron) fuel filter to retrofit earlier models (shell and element).
· 6. 7L Element only, fuel filter.
· 5. 9L & 6. 7L Add-on or up-graded fuel tank vent hose kit with vent cap.
NOTE: Several parts will be added to this bulletin when they are available. The bulletin will be revised when they become available. These parts include a Filter with Bracket assembly which will replace the cap on the fuel tank vents for all the above vehicles, a 5 micron fuel filter for 5. 9 engines and an improved air filter for 5. 9 engines.
NOTE: The maintenance intervals for the fuel filters (engine mounted filter and chassis mounted severe duty fuel filtration kit filter) maintain a 15,000 mile service requirement for both


5. 9 /6. 7 LONGEVITY AND DEPENDABILITY PRODUCT ISSUES:

WHY DOES MY DIESEL NEED BETTER FUEL FILTRATION?

The 5-7 micron particles that pass thru your factory fuel filter are abrasive at the 23-26 thousand PSI range.

The end result is injector failure due to high fuel return rates causing loss of power and long crank times. One set of injectors could buy a pallet of these filter kits!
The factory water separator is a gravity type, water settles to the bottom of diesel.

The problem being the factory fuel pump location is before the separator so the water is mixed with the fuel! .

Industrial Diesel apps. have multiple filter/separators to prevent this issue dodge does not.

The effectiveness of the factory separator isn’t enough to protect your engine investment or injection components from water contamination failure claims. Water/Fuel contamination causes rust, the end result being failed injectors, cross over tubes, fuel rail and if its bad enough, injection pumps etc.

Warranty will not cover fuel contamination! Guess we cannot buy "Mopar Refined Certified Pure Clean Diesel Fuel " ? YET ????

Just a slight oversight on the manufacturers part at the purchasers expense.

how do the automotive attorneys push for a chrysler recall and update for the TSB retrofit kit on their nickel? seems llike a omission and a pre filter should have come with all 6. 7 's from the factory as standard equipment.

All diesel 2010 models will have this part preinstalled,according to my service manager.

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Austin Diesel

Austin Diesel,

After trying several times I have no idea what this post is about. I can't even guess which part of it was posted as comments by yourself, comments by sag2, or the original text of the MOPAR service bulletin.

 

[HBarlow]

We just get a copy of that form for our glovebox and a lawyers card to present as needed.

I just wanted a reliable $ 50,000. 00+ truck to drive ,Maybe i was dreaming.

Huhhhh?

What copy of what form and a lawyer's card for what?

Are you saying Dodge is responsible for filling the diesel fuel tank with rusty water? What diesel truck would run with rust, water, and dirty fuel in the tank?

I cannot follow your logic.

 

[Austin Diesel]

Huhhhh?



What copy of what form and a lawyer's card for what?



just reading the above quote first you gotta prove the fuel was dispensed from that stations pumps, bottom of the tank water in fuel or rust will choke anything



most stations i buy from have a inline filter but i really have never seen a tech or attedent ever change a inline fuel station pump filter in broad daylight ever ?



A standard form to certify fuel from vendors is clean to prevent claims would be great .



i know they measure and certify for volume and weight for gas fuel but not by temp as gasoline loses volume due to heat expansion



How about state approved current certification sticker from stations to say they change pump filters on a regular basis based on diesel fuel volumes dispensed.

You know the little faded stickers that sometimes have dates and initials to say they are replaced and serviced pump filters on a somewhat frequent basis.



Are you saying Dodge is responsible for filling the diesel fuel tank with rusty water? What diesel truck would run with rust, water, and dirty fuel in the tank?

No,



just that their are very loose or random filter standards for diesel fuel purity at the pump.



I cannot follow your logic.

no it just seems tough to judge foaming fuel clarity from a nozzle at a station that might or might not replace filters at regular intervals kinda like rolling dice



austin diesel