Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Sig P220 Thoughts?

[Flying_gage]

A glock guy here.



I just agreed to purchase a 13 year old P220 in . 45acp. Original box, 100 rounds of ammo, clips and extra night sights for $450. Pretty comfortable with the deal. It was an officers gun and just went through an armorers inspection. Sounds as though he never had issues with it like some I have read about, (he became the Chief of Police, they then gave him a department issue weapon).



My question is how easy are these to modify. I am used to ordering parts for my glocks and then switching them out and having a substantial gain. Wondering if I will see the tuneability with this sig?

 

[The patriot]

You can find some parts for Sigs, but they dont have the aftermarket support a Glock will have.
I sold mine. It was an P220st. Stainless frame. It was a nice gun, but heavy.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Is it a DA, DAK, SA. knew a guy that was a cop for Ontario PD in So Calif. He carried a Sig of some sort (45CAL) I use to go to the range with him shooting. On his I liked the idea of having one under the hammer and pull the trigger like a revolver after that first round as a revolver it was just like any other AUTO. Felt small to me but I have the hands of a Gorilla so that was my only complaint

 

[Flying_gage]

It is a barebones model from what I can tell.

If not for the price, I might pass. I have been wanting a . 45 in my arsenal for awhile and this popped in at the right time, (I was thinking I would just go with another Glock). Even yesterday when I saw it, I was on the fence. What convinced me though was that I had been thinking about it throughout the day; how it felt, the trigger and don't laugh, but that it was a really attractive gun.

Kept coming back to owning it. If I don't like it, I know I can sell it. One of the other guys at the fire station offered the seller a $100 over the price offered as he really wanted it.

Keep the thoughts coming. I trust you guys. The web is about useless as there are so many biased and incomplete opinions now that I cannot glean truth from fiction.

 

[BIGNASTY]

To bad you couldn't take to someplace and run a few clips thru it, to see if its what you want. I know when I bought my Para the one I was looking at and the one that I ended up buying were different guns because I got the chance to do just that. I don't think youll go wrong with a Sig they are nice guns

 

[Flying_gage]

It is a barebones model from what I can tell.



If not for the price, I might pass. I have been wanting a . 45 in my arsenal for awhile and this popped in at the right time, (I was thinking I would just go with another Glock). Even yesterday when I saw it, I was on the fence. What convinced me though was that I had been thinking about it throughout the day; how it felt, the trigger and don't laugh, but that it was a really attractive gun.



Kept coming back to owning it. If I don't like it, I know I can sell it. One of the other guys at the fire station offered the seller a $100 over the price offered as he really wanted it.



Keep the thoughts coming. I trust you guys. The web is about useless as there are so many biased and incomplete opinions now that I cannot glean truth from fiction.

 

[Newt]

Hard to go wrong with a Sig if it fits your needs/wants. $450 for a all metal . 45 ACP is a deal, if in decent shape.

Newt

 

[jgillott]

Not the same model, but a buddy of mine is a Trooper and carries a Sig P226 as his service weapon. He has nothing but good thing to say about it.

 

[Flying_gage]

Hard to go wrong with a Sig if it fits your needs/wants. $450 for a all metal . 45 ACP is a deal, if in decent shape.

Newt

Kind of what I was thinking.

Being a Glock guy my entire adult life, I would like a gun with the stovebolt reliability I have experienced so far. In reading, it sounds as though there are some areas where I will be forced to be pay a little more attention. I can live with that.

As I said, I have been wanting to add a . 45 to the house and this came along at the right time. Also, I really like how most reports state that these guns are very accurate out of the box. I should add to this discussion that this trait was pretty high up there on the list as to why I went the p220 route. Hopefully I will be able to give a follow up here after I get my paws on it next week.

 

[Flying_gage]

To bad you couldn't take to someplace and run a few clips thru it, to see if its what you want. I know when I bought my Para the one I was looking at and the one that I ended up buying were different guns because I got the chance to do just that. I don't think youll go wrong with a Sig they are nice guns

Big I agree with you here generally... However, while looking at it, I noticed the trigger was not as crisp as what I thought it should be. Although very clean inside it was also heavily oiled. What I will do is strip it bare prior to shooting and clean it as I am thinking if he always oiled his gun that way, there will be gunk built up in the small places.



I vaguely remember shooting some Sig's back in my youth and liking them. I will let that suffice for my purchase.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Big I agree with you here generally... However, while looking at it, I noticed the trigger was not as crisp as what I thought it should be. Although very clean inside it was also heavily oiled. What I will do is strip it bare prior to shooting and clean it as I am thinking if he always oiled his gun that way, there will be gunk built up in the small places.

I vaguely remember shooting some Sig's back in my youth and liking them. I will let that suffice for my purchase.

Funny you should say that about being HEAVILY OILD. I use to go to our local range and lots of law enforcement shot there also. I would look at their weapons as they pulled them from the holsters and think CLEAN THE S. O. B once I awhile why don't ya!! they would run a few clips put it back in and say good to go for the next day. If my life depended on it, it would have to be spotless. BUT THATS JUST ME.

I have never owned a hand gun that wasn't sent to a shop to have a tune up done on it first, again THATS JUST ME

 

[Dl5treez]

Promise I won't make this into a novel. Promise... . Promise.

First thing, the gun is worth every bit of $450. Actually, how you describe it with the ammo, $450 is a steal. I would pay that sight unseen for one. They're one of the best--arguably THE best--out of the box 45s ever built.

Okay, where to start. You're looking at a gun that could be one of many, many variants. Without pictures or more details it will be hard to pinpoint. So first:

1. Does it have a rail underneath the front of the frame?
2. Is the slide stamped 'stainless'?
3. Is the slide stamped 'Germany' or 'W. Germany'?
4. On the slide, at the front, under the guide rod, is there a two letter alpha code, something like "KF" or "JJ".
5. What type of box is it? Plastic? What color?

Let's start there.

Or, better yet, pictures if ya got 'em!!

 

[Killgore]

I carried one for about five years as a mounted deputy and found it heavy, however, it is dependable, extremely accurate out of the box, and down-right beautiful. Sure, it requires a little maintenance, but if its' been sitting in a box it should be well oiled. Our department standardized on the Glock . 40 which requires little maintenance, can be shot with better control by the gals, and everybody carried the same cartridge, and proficiency was therefore interchangeable.

Buy it! You're getting it at a steal. Don't worry about modifications, it doesn't need any. I carried a . 45 Colt that was heavily modified before carrying the Sig and it was very particular about what it ate. The standard issue HydroShocks were fine but my reloads, etc. were questionable. The Sig is well engineered just like the Glock, you can run anything through it, and as I said before, it is beautiful. Ed

 

[p-Bar]

I own the Sig P220 euro edition this was imported by Browning and has the browning stamps on it . the only difference is the mag release is on the bottom which cops like because the button on the side gets pushed in by the holster and loose the mag. I like the gun cant find grips for it being the euro model so settled for a rubber boot that seems to be adequate. it's a good shooter and I like the dbl action feature and decocker.

 

[Flying_gage]

Promise I won't make this into a novel. Promise... . Promise.

First thing, the gun is worth every bit of $450. Actually, how you describe it with the ammo, $450 is a steal. I would pay that sight unseen for one. They're one of the best--arguably THE best--out of the box 45s ever built.

Okay, where to start. You're looking at a gun that could be one of many, many variants. Without pictures or more details it will be hard to pinpoint. So first:

1. Does it have a rail underneath the front of the frame?
2. Is the slide stamped 'stainless'?
3. Is the slide stamped 'Germany' or 'W. Germany'?
4. On the slide, at the front, under the guide rod, is there a two letter alpha code, something like "KF" or "JJ".
5. What type of box is it? Plastic? What color?

Let's start there.

Or, better yet, pictures if ya got 'em!!

DL,

I will try and answer as best I can as I do not have it in my possession yet, (this sunday I pick it up)

- No rail
- No stainless
- Made in Germany on the side
- Not sure on the stamping under barrel. As I understand it, it probably will not have these proof's due to it's age. Rough serial number check shows it to be a 1999 or 2000
- Plastic box that is black in color.

Here is the only pic that I have of it at this point.

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I appreciate the enthusiasm DL and look forward to your response! I knew I was getting a decent deal Always nice to hear confirmation though!

Big, I think the pics might show better what I am talking about. There is a heavy sheen of oil on the gun. When I removed the slide, there was oil that had puddled in places. It boggles my mind that people, (esp. a police officer who relies on the weapon) still over oil their guns. He was selling two guns and I looked them both over, (other was a new looking gen 3 glock for $300). It too was soaking in oil...

I just want to go through it and really get into the tight places and clean her out. I am sure there will be accumulated junk in there.

 

[Flying_gage]

I carried one for about five years as a mounted deputy and found it heavy, however, it is dependable, extremely accurate out of the box, and down-right beautiful. Sure, it requires a little maintenance, but if its' been sitting in a box it should be well oiled. Our department standardized on the Glock . 40 which requires little maintenance, can be shot with better control by the gals, and everybody carried the same cartridge, and proficiency was therefore interchangeable.

Buy it! You're getting it at a steal. Don't worry about modifications, it doesn't need any. I carried a . 45 Colt that was heavily modified before carrying the Sig and it was very particular about what it ate. The standard issue HydroShocks were fine but my reloads, etc. were questionable. The Sig is well engineered just like the Glock, you can run anything through it, and as I said before, it is beautiful. Ed

I was kind of looking for something with a little more weight. As this will not be a carry weapon, (Unless our dept. allows us paramedics to start carrying) I am not too worried. When and if our concealed carry law passes, I will probably carry my G23 or a nice little colt detective special.

In the end, it fit the needs that I had conjured up within my head. I really wanted a . 45acp yet was leery of the 1911 platform as I have experienced too many issues with the ones that I have shot. I hate finicky things.

Interesting that you dept switched to the the . 40 cal in glocks due to female officers. My g23 with defensive loads is SNAPPY. My wife tolerates shooting it with target loads, yet cannot adequately do so with the hotter defense loads.

 

[goodguys75]

just because an officer owned the weapon, does not mean he or she knows what they are doing... . there are lots of officers that just shoot during qualification and that is all, and know nothing about guns or proper gun care... . scary thought. And this is a cold hard fact here for the world famous Metro officers.....

 

[BIGNASTY]

Here is the only pic that I have of it at this point.



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Big, I think the pics might show better what I am talking about. There is a heavy sheen of oil on the gun. When I removed the slide, there was oil that had puddled in places. It boggles my mind that people, (esp. a police officer who relies on the weapon) still over oil their guns. He was selling two guns and I looked them both over, (other was a new looking gen 3 glock for $300). It too was soaking in oil...



If you want to clean all the oil off and not have to disassemble the gun down to the last spring,screw I have used this not in instead of cleaning but to aid in cleaning old military rifles that had some kind of crud on them other than cosmoline it works as advertised



http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=catshow&ref=Dunk

 

[Flying_gage]

just because an officer owned the weapon, does not mean he or she knows what they are doing... . there are lots of officers that just shoot during qualification and that is all, and know nothing about guns or proper gun care... . scary thought. And this is a cold hard fact here for the world famous Metro officers.....

I hear ya. Kind of like when I tell people there are firemen who are afraid to go into fires...

 

[goodguys75]

I hear ya. Kind of like when I tell people there are firemen who are afraid to go into fires...

here in Vegas, everyone wants to be a fireman..... because its cool and the money, i bet a lot of them would not be if they were in a real city back east... . with real structures... ... .