P207f & 5mph in 200 miles warning

[Newsa]

All DEF sold bearing the API certification symbol is required to ensure that a product traceability code appears on each container of DEF (section 4.3.1)

http://www.apidef.org/API_DEF_OVERVIEW.pdf

That might be why Gunk stopped making it. I haven't been able to decipher PEAK' s code.

 

[gsbrockman]

That might be why Gunk stopped making it. I haven't been able to decipher PEAK' s code.

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=73092.0

I have a 2.5 gal empty container of SuperTech DEF in my garage; I googled for over 20 minutes trying to decipher the date code on it to no avail.

 

[kthaxton]

That might be why Gunk stopped making it. I haven't been able to decipher PEAK' s code.

I seriously doubt Gunk is incapable of adding a date code.

 

[Bob Snively]

I needed to take the truck in for a recall on the track bar mount & said i needed the message reset, 35,000 miles on the truck, they did the recall & reprogramed the computer with same programe, message gone & happy owner. the tester looks like the one i got

 

[Newsa]

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=73092.0

I have a 2.5 gal empty container of SuperTech DEF in my garage; I googled for over 20 minutes trying to decipher the date code on it to no avail.

That interpretation of the date code was valid 2 years ago. My first PEAK was also manufactured in GA. And the date code followed that format.
The last 2 jugs/cartons of 2.5 gallon Peak have a completely different format stamped on them

 

[Newsa]

I seriously doubt Gunk is incapable of adding a date code.

Regulation may not be worth it to Gunk.

 

[Newsa]

http://www.rvforum.net/SMF_forum/index.php?topic=73092.0

I have a 2.5 gal empty container of SuperTech DEF in my garage; I googled for over 20 minutes trying to decipher the date code on it to no avail.

Here's what I think is an update to the RVforums explanation of Peak Def codes. I bought this Def this morning. It appears that the 12 that the new date code begins with is the manufacture/processing/shipping location. But the rest of the numbers seem to be the same. All of the Peak (1 & 2.5 gal) date codes began with 1216 or 1217. So I grabbed the freshest one on the shelf. It appears to have been stamped at the production facility on Jan 06, 2016.

 

[Blacksmoke2]

5mph def issue see dealer - is this a joke? Unreal.

I know this post has been a month back but this same thing happened to me yesterday. I was livid that this type code came up limiting your miles or your screwed. Me and my family took a RV trip to myrtle beach for 9 days. No problems going down or while there. Def was about a quarter of a tank so I went ahead and purchased I think it's the peak brand def. it's in a cardboard blue and white box. I filled up my def as I have done many times before this trip home because it definitely uses more def pulling a load.

FYI I am driving a 2013 Ram 3500 Mega Cab Dually Laramie Edition with 31,000 miles on it. I am pulling a 2016 42 foot 5th wheel RV weighting in at 15,000 pounds. We start the journey home yesterday leaving South Carolina heading to Tennessee (home). At about 140 miles north my engine light comes on and at 180 miles I get this message on my dash read out "5MPH Max in 199 miles -def exhaust see dealer". The code did not go away like mentioned in this thread. The code was still showing when I pulled in to the dealership. I was shocked to be honest. I had never heard of this much less experienced it. So I get the wife on the cell to start looking for a Ram dealer. We found one in Columbia South Carolina and we were about 59 miles out. We got the dealer on the phone.. Explained the message and our situation being out of towners just trying to get home.

They take thier last customer at the shop at 2:30 on Saturdays. It was 1:50 and like I said we are 59 miles out. Thankfully the dealer there in Columbia was sensitive to the problem at hand so they said "come on over and we will have a look". We arrived about 2:40 because I was hauling ***** to get there. So here I am - wife, 2 kids, 2 dogs and a long ***** 5th wheel pulling into this very very tight dealership. These people were very nice people and that meant a lot during this mess. I had to find some where on the over crowded car lot to unhook the RV so the tech could get my truck in the garage. Also let me add that the tech and shop manger came up to the truck before I got out of it. The tech seemed very familiar with this code. I asked them both that this truck sells for $68,000 - $70,000 and I run the risk of putting me and my family stranded on the side of the road somewhere with little warning??? The tech said "it's just one of those things. I could go another 100 or 1000 miles and the code will come up again with no rhyme or reason.". Also let me add that this dealer told me they typically do not have a diesel mechanic working on Saturdays.

All this hassle time wise, money wise and a big delay on getting home was all fixed by plugging it up to the dealers computer and doing a override. That override by the way cost me $117.00. It was worth it no doubt as far as the cost I would have paid $300.00. What's my other option? However what ticks me off the most is its a simple onboard computer issue and nothing more. Nothing was mentioned at all about the brand of def or it being a bad def reason. No mention of anything bad, broken or any part replacement. The fact that it WILL happen again is a problem. Ram has no fix for this?? If not it's basically a money in Rams pocket code. I have only purchased Ram trucks starting with the single cab, then to the quad cab Laramie and now the Dually 3500 Laramie. People brag on my truck very often I assume being the Dually, Cummins engine, price tag and it being a Megacab which I rarely see. My truck is black with dark tinted windows with the smoke bugflector and smoke window visors so it does look mean and beefy. I have always recommended Ram trucks for years. I have said for years that the Ram trucks have been good to me giving me no problems. If there is nothing that can be done with this issue alone I am not sure I will be doing much bragging on the Ram. We travel a lot taking 3-4 RV trips a year as well as traveling without the RV 3-4 times a year. That's why this is a big deal to me.

The outcome of my experience yesterday could have turned out really bad. What if I was traveling on a Sunday (dealers are closed), how about traveling at 1:00 am on a Saturday night (dealers are closed until the following Monday). What if the closest Ram dealership has no diesel mechanic to address this? There is a ton of outcomes to this code problem. The risk at all is terrible and I am sure many families have been basically stranded in the dark in a state that they do not live in. I will be reading up more about this issue but if no fix or a solid assurance that this will not happen again. I am not sure what I will do just yet. I have a recall on some sort of rod braces that I haven't went to have corrected. I will be calling my local dealer tomorrow to set a appointment. Once there I will be asking what the deal is with this code. If that conversation doe not yield a better answer then I will be pushing on higher ups with Ram.

The end of my story aside of it being a big inconvenience. God was with me yesterday to pave the way through the channels of many loops making my story a smooth situation compared to how it could have ended.

I got these with service def, see dealer. called dealer & was told diagnosis was $130 & if def was bad another $350. so i checked def & sure enough it was, drained it & put in new def , turned off cel, but dont know how to turn off message warning. any body know?

 

[Ozymandias]

Just to mention it, this not a Ram only Problem.
Every new vehicle has this "go to Limp Mode" it is mandatory by law if something is wrong with the Emissions Equipment, I'm quite familiar with this because my Renault Truck did this twice because of a faulty NoX Sensor.

 

[Hoefler]

Generally, this code is from running low on DEF. If it does not go into limp mode, 5mph, refill and after 5 cycles of the engine running, it will go away and have no memory of happening. It may work the same in limp mode, I hve not experienced the limp mode to verify. I had it happen to me, was 120 miles from my destination and had the 200 mile warning. So I just drove it in and I filled when I stopped for the day. A week later I took it into the dealer, they couldn't not find any evidence of it, and said it operated as designed. I have not had any issues since, and that happened over a year ago.

 

[Blacksmoke2]

Hmm I didn't know that. I was under the impression that it was a Ram issue. Good to know. I can understand why the faulty emissions equipment law is in place but nothing was faulty on my truck. A dealer computer did a override - assuming it's overriding the code only because there is nothing broken, ripped, or a part needing a replacement. See what I mean?

Just to mention it, this not a Ram only Problem.
Every new vehicle has this "go to Limp Mode" it is mandatory by law if something is wrong with the Emissions Equipment, I'm quite familiar with this because my Renault Truck did this twice because of a faulty NoX Sensor.

 

[Blacksmoke2]

So with me having a full def tank why do you think it happened to me when it did? I am trying to figure out what causes it to happen.

Generally, this code is from running low on DEF. If it does not go into limp mode, 5mph, refill and after 5 cycles of the engine running, it will go away and have no memory of happening. It may work the same in limp mode, I hve not experienced the limp mode to verify. I had it happen to me, was 120 miles from my destination and had the 200 mile warning. So I just drove it in and I filled when I stopped for the day. A week later I took it into the dealer, they couldn't not find any evidence of it, and said it operated as designed. I have not had any issues since, and that happened over a year ago.

 

[Blacksmoke2]

Also, I always have one of my code scanners onboard. Could I have fixed this issue myself by clearing the code off?? I took it as a serious issue and the circumstances of when it happened so it briefly ran through my mind to plug in the scanner but I didn't. I was too focused on getting to that dealer quickly.

 

[Bob4x4]

There are test that should be performed to verify cause for p207f.here are a few different reasons the code sets,DEGRADED, DILUTED OR INCORRECT DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID
EXHAUST SYSTEM LEAK
DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID DEPOSITS IN DEF INJECTOR DECOMP TUBE
DEFECTIVE SCR CATALYST

 

[Bob4x4]

Also, I always have one of my code scanners onboard. Could I have fixed this issue myself by clearing the code off?? I took it as a serious issue and the circumstances of when it happened so it briefly ran through my mind to plug in the scanner but I didn't. I was too focused on getting to that dealer quickly.

Clearing a code does not fix the problem.In some cases it will permit you to continue on your way till a more convenient time.I carry a code reader/scanner in the truck at all times it allows me to know if the dtc is important or just an inconvenience issue

 

[Tuesdak]

The outcome of my experience yesterday could have turned out really bad. What if I was traveling on a Sunday (dealers are closed), how about traveling at 1:00 am on a Saturday night (dealers are closed until the following Monday). What if the closest Ram dealership has no diesel mechanic to address this? There is a ton of outcomes to this code problem. The risk at all is terrible and I am sure many families have been basically stranded in the dark in a state that they do not live in. I will be reading up more about this issue but if no fix or a solid assurance that this will not happen again. I am not sure what I will do just yet. I have a recall on some sort of rod braces that I haven't went to have corrected. I will be calling my local dealer tomorrow to set a appointment. Once there I will be asking what the deal is with this code. If that conversation doe not yield a better answer then I will be pushing on higher ups with Ram.

The end of my story aside of it being a big inconvenience. God was with me yesterday to pave the way through the channels of many loops making my story a smooth situation compared to how it could have ended.

Adapt, overcome, improvise. AAA gives you up to 200 miles wherever you want to go and you can be towed several times a day getting 400+ miles if needed. Good Sam is another choice. Not just for emissions systems, but, blown tires, caught one in the radiator like large roadkill, or hot oily engine parts on the pavement. Sure it's more RV family fun, but, it's more fun when you know the hook's on the way.

Call or write your local lawmaker, who can actually do something, and ask them why we need to have tighter emissions than the EU making NOx as tight as gas engines. Ask why they feel it's ok for the EPA to allow unreliable diesel engines due to the extreme emissions standards. FCA, aka Ram, is only following the extreme emissions laws lawmakers have allowed the EPA to dream up. And while you are at it point out the Biodiesel makes more NOx and at the state level they are dumping that into your diesel. If NOx is so important they are hypocrites...

 

[Newsa]

Read the last 4 or 5 sentences of this article

http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/ex...standing-diesel-exhaust-fluid-basic-training/

It says that Ram doesn't derate in typical application because it doesn't violate EPA standards. But you will be served up a dashboard full of warnings and messages

 

[Berrigan]

Read the last 4 or 5 sentences of this article

http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/ex...standing-diesel-exhaust-fluid-basic-training/

It says that Ram doesn't derate in typical application because it doesn't violate EPA standards. But you will be served up a dashboard full of warnings and messages

Has anybody in this forum ever had their truck de-rate for any reason?

 

[CHinton]

This is similar to what happened with my truck last week when I was traveling out of town. I never heard what the code was other than it was active even though the message had disappeared from the EVIC on the way to the dealer. The tech said the truck would eventually derate and not restart if shutdown. They ended up replacing the SCR under factory warranty (TSB 18-088-15 is listed the invoice) and put me in a RAM 1500 rental while they had my truck. I wasn't pulling anything so that wasn't an issue for me. They also took care of the track bar recall that was outstanding.

 

[jelag]

so today the P207F code came up.... 2 weeks ago it was the P20EE and the dealer did the T05 upgrade, than the following week the P20EE returned and the dealer said it was the DEF injector... and SOLD ME ONE to the tune of close to $400.... now I get the P207F and I've not used the DEF they installed when they put in the new injector.... of course now I'm 500 miles from the dealer.... its a holiday weekend.... and I'm not headed back to my summer home (that dealer for 7 months).... the dealer said there was a 2 year warranty on their work and unlimited mileage... is that taken care of by ANY DEALER.... And I assume since the dealer filled the DEF tank its their responsibility..

Your thoughts please...