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I am on the fence and frankly have not kept up with anything 4th gen as I own a 3rd gen 5.9. However I am to the point where I don't know if the creature comforts are enough to push me into a new one as mine is entering its 18th year. My current 06 is a slightly dressed up SLT with leather and seat heaters that both need to be replaced. The comfort has never been there from day one and I regret getting rid of my 01 quad cab for the mega cab but the space with the growing family and dogs was needed. The new trucks are so much more comfortable but wow the price. They are about three times what I paid for the 06! I have also modified my 06 with longevity in mind and didn't just add power, in fact that was the last thing I did after everything else had been addressed and it was just mild tuning after all the filtration, head studs, springs, trans and the list goes on. I just drove a well equipped Rebel and really liked it. So much nicer on the inside and the seats are way better. I just have no idea what to expect and how much you have to do to the new trucks for longevity. I am pretty much over chasing the horsepower thing, I always like a little punch but hate chasing down the next weak link. I have heard that the 6.7 is happy when you get rid of the DEF and DPF and EGR systems. I have no idea what problems that may cause. In TN, they don't test like they did in WA. Seems like the Rebel suspension is just Bilstein shocks and mud tires. My buddy has a 16 tradesman and his turbo actuator went out at 20k miles but he has been problem free with the Geno's replacement unit. So I understand some have had trouble with the actuators. With longevity in mind and wanting something that will just work day in and day out like my 5.9 do you need to do anything, like enhanced filtration. Are the new CGI blocks an issue? or should I just put some more money in my 5.9 and forget we ever had this conversation? Thank you for your time and education. Joel
 
I went from a well built and great 05 NV5600 truck to an 18 HO, and rarely missed the 05. I’m now in a 22 and couldn’t be happier.

There was nothing wrong with my 05, but I wanted a little more back seat room for the kids. It was a tough choice to get into the emissions laden 6.7, but I haven’t had any issues.

Yes they are stupid expensive, and interest rates aren’t helping right now. Often used ones are going for almost the price of new, so often new makes more sense with warranty.

I never did like the 06 seats over the 05 seats, but the 4th and 4.5 Gen’s are very comfortable.
 
Personally, if you can, hold on to your 5.9l and get a newer 2020 or higher truck. I really regret getting rid of my '02 2500, even though it was going to need a complete rebuild of a lot of stuff. At the time I couldn't see just parking the truck for it to rot out in the field for a couple years till I could get to it. Now I look back at it, and dang, I wish I still had it, even if it took me some extra parts and time from it sitting.

As far as the emissions, I feel more comfortable with the newer trucks as in 2019 onward as they have had a chance to work things out. Not to say it won't give you problems, but I feel as if the DPF/SCR systems have been out long enough that the newer trucks have a lot of issues lessened or resolved.

I've been driving a 2020 3500 Cummins for the past 2 1/2 years for work, day in and day out, and it's got a little over 150k on it. Never an emissions problem, never any issues actually.

My personal diesel truck is a different animal, it's a 2020 Gen 3 EcoD, which I bought used at 51k, and now I got 56k on it, and no problems yet. Both are great diesel trucks.

I've learned to take in the knowledge from these fine resources, but use them as just another piece of advice, but don't sell yourself on folk's problems. I learned that with the EcoD. Plenty of these trucks on the road without any problems.
 
Only emission issue with my truck has been a failed DEF pump that was leaking and corrosion from the fluid to out the internals causing the gauge not to read how much DEF was in the tank! Truck has over 175K on it and has plenty of power with good fuel mileage even with the 4.10's! When you talk of removing the emission components, you hurt all diesel owners! Even though your state doesn't have diesel emission testing, it's a Federal component! You could be checked when traveling on an interstate highway whether commercial or not! Wouldn't be surprised to see more states require emission software updates to confirm that your truck has all components working or not be able to renew tags! Could be that with the latest debacle! Like @Diesel85 mentions, the systems have come a long way from where they started all those years ago!
 
We all face when to get rid of the old truck 99 for me and get a new one 2022 for me The two trucks are totally different beasts but my old one was getting a little unreliable. It still was a very nice truck but getting a little too old for some to work on. After a rough and tumble life and several surgery’s I couldn’t work on the old one very good anymore. So new truck was in order . My first bought warranty in my life and now it goes to the Indy for servicing etc. it’s a very quiet and smooth and lots of power . Hauls my 3000 lbs slide in truck camper much better than the old one. As said above the only thing really might be the emissions equipment but so for it’s been trouble free.I love driving it.
 
7 years with a 1993, 14 years with a 2001.5 and then a 2015 Laramie 3500 HO that I would still be driving if I had known how quickly ALS was going to take my wife of 40 years in 2021. Love the 2021 with the 3:42 gears. Freeway cruiser and the Aisin transmission made it as execellent tow rig.
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should I just put some more money in my 5.9 and forget we ever had this conversation

Replace the seat cushions and do so OFTEN. Even my 2018 at 50K miles is getting the new tilt free cushion from Geno's Garage. Some owners have gone with aftermarket seats including air ride. With the cost of new the expensive aftermarket seats are not all that expensive. I don't even flinch at the $500 seat motor base for tilt that my 2003 needed. $$$ ouch, but, cheap comfort. The cheaper repair option of just gears, well, was better for time etc to just change the entire part and DONE.

Tire air pressure? If you get a new truck insist they keep the rough riding OEM Trashforce tires. Put some good rubber on it from dealer delivery day ONE.

In the future you could be forced to put the deleted truck back to stock by the next owner at your expense. If you are not comfortable with the DEF and DPF forget it and keep yours or get a Hemi, if they are still offered. Dealers do not touch deleted vehicles and IF your registration requires the recalls to be done: guess who has to do the recall? You can't predict what laws will be in place tomorrow let alone retro-laws CA has already tested and proven possible.

The other stuff you may want could be solved with an aftermarket radio. But at the end of the day IMO "Runs and Drives" is more important than connecting to a dumb phone for compressed poor sounding music. It's nice, but, I have done without...
 
Replace the seat cushions and do so OFTEN. Even my 2018 at 50K miles is getting the new tilt free cushion from Geno's Garage. Some owners have gone with aftermarket seats including air ride. With the cost of new the expensive aftermarket seats are not all that expensive. I don't even flinch at the $500 seat motor base for tilt that my 2003 needed. $$$ ouch, but, cheap comfort. The cheaper repair option of just gears, well, was better for time etc to just change the entire part and DONE.

Tire air pressure? If you get a new truck insist they keep the rough riding OEM Trashforce tires. Put some good rubber on it from dealer delivery day ONE.

In the future you could be forced to put the deleted truck back to stock by the next owner at your expense. If you are not comfortable with the DEF and DPF forget it and keep yours or get a Hemi, if they are still offered. Dealers do not touch deleted vehicles and IF your registration requires the recalls to be done: guess who has to do the recall? You can't predict what laws will be in place tomorrow let alone retro-laws CA has already tested and proven possible.

The other stuff you may want could be solved with an aftermarket radio. But at the end of the day IMO "Runs and Drives" is more important than connecting to a dumb phone for compressed poor sounding music. It's nice, but, I have done without...


This insight not appreciated for its truth. Same with new windshield and super-cleaning all the other glass.

Door seals, etc.

Most deterioration can be addressed.

This is mainly what is meant by: “the new one is so much better!”

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All,
I am on the fence and frankly have not kept up with anything 4th gen as I own a 3rd gen 5.9. However I am to the point where I don't know if the creature comforts are enough to push me into a new one as mine is entering its 18th year. My current 06 is a slightly dressed up SLT with leather and seat heaters that both need to be replaced. The comfort has never been there from day one and I regret getting rid of my 01 quad cab for the mega cab but the space with the growing family and dogs was needed. The new trucks are so much more comfortable but wow the price. They are about three times what I paid for the 06! I have also modified my 06 with longevity in mind and didn't just add power, in fact that was the last thing I did after everything else had been addressed and it was just mild tuning after all the filtration, head studs, springs, trans and the list goes on. I just drove a well equipped Rebel and really liked it. So much nicer on the inside and the seats are way better. I just have no idea what to expect and how much you have to do to the new trucks for longevity. I am pretty much over chasing the horsepower thing, I always like a little punch but hate chasing down the next weak link. I have heard that the 6.7 is happy when you get rid of the DEF and DPF and EGR systems. I have no idea what problems that may cause. In TN, they don't test like they did in WA. Seems like the Rebel suspension is just Bilstein shocks and mud tires. My buddy has a 16 tradesman and his turbo actuator went out at 20k miles but he has been problem free with the Geno's replacement unit. So I understand some have had trouble with the actuators. With longevity in mind and wanting something that will just work day in and day out like my 5.9 do you need to do anything, like enhanced filtration. Are the new CGI blocks an issue? or should I just put some more money in my 5.9 and forget we ever had this conversation? Thank you for your time and education. Joel


Didn’t see what is your projected use, and projected period of ownership plus miles in that frame.

This angle is clarifying.

https://help.edmunds.com/hc/en-us/articles/206102997-What-is-True-Cost-to-Own-TCO

https://www.aaa.com/autorepair/drivingcosts

Money isn’t value. But it is a help to intuition.

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" Freeway cruiser and the Aisin transmission made it as execellent tow rig. You and I understand this with the 3.42's but many didn't see the light on this combo. Drop into 5th and WA-LA same RPM as my 4.10's in 6th.
Also easy take off on grade with the AISIN lower 1st gear.
 
" Freeway cruiser and the Aisin transmission made it as execellent tow rig. You and I understand this with the 3.42's but many didn't see the light on this combo. Drop into 5th and WA-LA same RPM as my 4.10's in 6th.
Also easy take off on grade with the AISIN lower 1st gear.

Loved my Aisin/3.42 combo, but the Aisin/3.73 combo is just better. Mileage is the same empty at 85, so there is nothing but benefits to 3.73’s.
 
" Freeway cruiser and the Aisin transmission made it as execellent tow rig. You and I understand this with the 3.42's but many didn't see the light on this combo. Drop into 5th and WA-LA same RPM as my 4.10's in 6th.
Also easy take off on grade with the AISIN lower 1st gear.

Not much difference between the Aisin/3.42 combo and the 68RFE/3.73. Final ratio for Aisin in 1st is 12.82 v/s 12.04. Then factor in the converter...

Reverse is where the 68 shines.

Aisin final is 12.01

68 is 16.56

Dang! How did we tow before the Aisin/3.42??


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IMHO.... no amount of replacement parts and work will make a second or third gen truck as comfortable as the new trucks... My 20' is better that the 12' we have and lightyears ahead of the 04 I had as far as comfort, capability and driver fatigue.. I can drive (and have) all day and into the night without feeling as sore and fatigued as I did with my 04... I rarely think about my old truck(s) and when I do, its mostly the sound of it,... not anything else...

JM2C....
 
IMHO.... no amount of replacement parts and work will make a second or third gen truck as comfortable as the new trucks... My 20' is better that the 12' we have and lightyears ahead of the 04 I had as far as comfort, capability and driver fatigue.. I can drive (and have) all day and into the night without feeling as sore and fatigued as I did with my 04... I rarely think about my old truck(s) and when I do, its mostly the sound of it,... not anything else...

JM2C....

I still miss the noise and clatter from my '02 5.9l. It made people scared of it.

I miss the infamous Cummins shutdown chirp. I sure miss those days.

But these new trucks are so nice to drive.
 
Personally, if you can, hold on to your 5.9l and get a newer 2020 or higher truck. I really regret getting rid of my '02 2500, even though it was going to need a complete rebuild of a lot of stuff. At the time I couldn't see just parking the truck for it to rot out in the field for a couple years till I could get to it. Now I look back at it, and dang, I wish I still had it, even if it took me some extra parts and time from it sitting.

As far as the emissions, I feel more comfortable with the newer trucks as in 2019 onward as they have had a chance to work things out. Not to say it won't give you problems, but I feel as if the DPF/SCR systems have been out long enough that the newer trucks have a lot of issues lessened or resolved.

I've been driving a 2020 3500 Cummins for the past 2 1/2 years for work, day in and day out, and it's got a little over 150k on it. Never an emissions problem, never any issues actually.

My personal diesel truck is a different animal, it's a 2020 Gen 3 EcoD, which I bought used at 51k, and now I got 56k on it, and no problems yet. Both are great diesel trucks.

I've learned to take in the knowledge from these fine resources, but use them as just another piece of advice, but don't sell yourself on folk's problems. I learned that with the EcoD. Plenty of these trucks on the road without any problems.
150 K in 2.5 yrs! That's a lot of seat time.
 
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