Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting 45/70 bolt action

[KBurgoyne]

anybody know where i can get a good kit for a mauser m98 in 45/70. i know there are kits out there and krieger makes a nice heavy duty barrel for the swap, but cant find a good kit. if you know a good gun smith that can do the work thats great too.



i just think that a good bolt is the best way to get the most out of the round, and am a fan of the old timey rifles hense the lever that i already have.

 

[GHarman]

KIT? We used to convert Siamese Mausers('98's) many years ago. You must have a '98 receiver checked to make sure it is properly heat treated! Then you have to alter the rails to feed and bolt face/extractor work.

I dont know which '98 Mauser action you have?

Feeding rimmed cases from a magazine box is a trick! GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

i dont have one, but a 45/70 bolt seems friggin seewt to me. are there any other options out there.



otherwise ill have to go with a boring 300 win mag.

im just partial to big ugly calibers while my shoulder is young and intact, and luckily im built like the average front yard stump.

 

[GHarman]

i dont have one, but a 45/70 bolt seems friggin seewt to me. are there any other options out there.



otherwise ill have to go with a boring 300 win mag.

im just partial to big ugly calibers while my shoulder is young and intact, and luckily im built like the average front yard stump.

It would be far easier to buy a M-77 Ruger African in . 458 Winchester Magnum.

The case is strong, the action is strong and you can load it DOWN to . 45/70 levels or UP to CANNERN levels. Less stress on the pocket book, too!

If you dont have the skills or knowledge necessary to do the proper Gunsmithing, or FUNDS, on a '98 Mauser. This is a way to get yourself behind the trigger of a classic big bore rifle, in double time!

If you are still bent on doing this? The . 458X2" wildcat or the . 450 Marlin in a surplus German Mauser would be a better choice than the . 45/70.

The Siamese Mausers were originally chambered for a rimmed case. So, they were fairly straight forward as a conversion. However, there were dust covers and clip slots to remove before heat treating. Bolt faces to alter, etc! Then you had to straighten them out!! Lots of WORK for an OLD Receiver!

The Ruger . 458 Winchester African is no longer in production. Heres an example;

RUGER AFRICAN MODEL 77 RSC BIG GAME RIFLE 458 WIN. MAG. CIRCASSIAN 1976-1978 ONLY. 99%! Ruger Rifles > Model 77 for sale, gun classifieds or gun auction from Michael Merker Riflemakers. Buy or bid on this RUGER AFRICAN MODEL 77 RSC BIG GAME RIFLE 458 W



You will greatly exceed this much money doing a custom Mauser! GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

damn several times over

 

[GHarman]

Dont give up, yet!

IMHO! OK, heres a couple of alternative routes. A M-70 Winchester Receiver or a Remington 700 Receiver. Custom work, but modern receivers.
I still recommend the . 458 Winchester. However a . 458 X 2" wildcat or the . 450 Marlin can be made to feed from either receiver with little or few mods. A long magnum Remington 700 that was a 7MM, . 338 Winchester or . 300 Winchester Magnum will work for the full sized . 458 Winchester. The shorter versions will work with a minor alteration to the magazine box with a block at the rear and a short follower. . A custom heavy duty recoil lug and a pillar bedded fiberglass stock, custom barrel. Yes it will be expensive! However, it will not be like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear M-98 Mauser!
With a traditonal controlled round feed M-70 Winchester Magnum receiver (Not the Winchester Short Magnums), you have the basis for a big bore Alaskan bolt rifle!
Just some random thoughts!
GregH

 

[GHarman]

Another option!

Heres a Classic but affordable, Post 64 M-70 in . 458 Winchester. Some things to think about!

GregH



Winchester Model 70 SUPER GRADE . 458 AFRICAN Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single > Model 70 > Post-64 for sale, gun classifieds or gun auction from premiermgt. Buy or bid on this Winchester Model 70 SUPER GRADE . 458 AFRICAN in the category Wi

 

[GHarman]

cheap option

Last one Bro! Found this one Its a Commercial Inter Arms Mauser in . 458 Winchester Magnum. The cheapest of the lot! Enjoy! GregH



INTERARMS MARK X 458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM Interarms Rifles for sale, gun classifieds or gun auction from Lewis Arms LLC. Buy or bid on this INTERARMS MARK X 458 WINCHESTER MAGNUM in the category Interarms Rifles on GunsAmerica.

 

[KBurgoyne]

honestly what im really looking for is a good magmun rifle with a 24-26 in barrel and iron sights. it seems that nobody wants to produce a long rifle with sights. the one with sights are 18-20, and i dont want to need a scope to shoot.



i was hopeing a 45/70 would be out there just because i already have the stuff. the round is just so very versatile.

300 win would be fine though.

 

[GHarman]

Sounds like you got a handle on it! Have FUN! GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

this aint bad at all. Ruger® M77® Hawkeye® African Bolt-Action Rifle Models



but any geuss on howmuch it would be to get sights put on this. Savage Arms

 

[GHarman]

Which Savage Model are you looking at. The link is to a general catalog. GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

my bad its a 10/110 FCP HS Precision 300 win mag

 

[GHarman]

The 10/100 FHP H-S Precision(That is the Stock) is a long range rifle. I guess I am a little corn-fused about your Wants vs Needs.

The Ruger 77 you listed is a good example of a stalker/hunter.

Of Course, the Savage would work, also. It's just that the particular stock on the Savage is more of a prone stock and kinda like a canoe paddle. Not particularly suited for sneaky peakin' in the bushes!

The thing is, that you need to go look at these rifles and handle them. Pictures in a book or on a web site do not compare to gettin yer hot little hands on a firearm.

As far as installing irons on any rifle, the cost is dependent on the sights and installer. Holes drilled and tapped are usually $10-$15 a hole in todays money. I see, a possibility of at least 4 holes for some applications.

A front sight dovetail is more expensive than the holes drilled and tapped. Then the cost of the sights. Brownells has a good selection of sights that you can choose to get a ball park figure.

My thinking is a Williams Receiver sight and a high viz front sight would be a fine set-up. If you could match up a Ruger barrel band front sight with the muzzle diameter of the savage, then have it sweated onto the barrel. With a Williams receiver sight, you would be "Good to Go"! Long sight radius and the advantage of a receiver sight.

The Ruger is already set up! All you need is;

RUGER® RECEIVER SIGHT - Brownells

What do ya think?

GregH

 

[GHarman]

Another option?

Heres the Wnichester M-70 offering. GregH



Model 70 Alaskan Stainless Laminate, -- Winchester Repeating Arms -- Product Model

 

[KBurgoyne]

looked at winchester, ruger, cz, kimber, savage, and wheatherby already.

 

[KBurgoyne]

The 10/100 FHP H-S Precision(That is the Stock) is a long range rifle. I guess I am a little corn-fused about your Wants vs Needs.



i just want somethin with sights because 90 percent of the time when i go shooting i only have a max of 100 yards to work with. not really worth scopeing in. i can always throw a scope on later. i prefer savage because of the price to accuracy ratio. i bet that savage will shoot 1/2 at 100 out of the box with the right ammo, and its not that heavy at 9 lbs. the ruger is lighter at 7. 5, but has a shorter barrel. im sure i would not lament buying the ruger especially considering the price difference, but im picky.

 

[GHarman]

You're not as picky as I am:-laf I'll buy a used rifle, strip it, throw the barrel away, true up the receiver and start from scratch.
A rifle is a personal thing! That's why I build my own. Nothing fancy.
I just know what I want. Replacing barrels, chambering and threading, machining receivers and stock work is not much different than building your dream truck. Just smaller parts! All it is from a Physics point of view is an internal combustion engine that doubles as a tuning fork:-lafOo. ! You can add artistic touches if you so desire.
Dont just do your shopping in catalogs. get out and look at and handle all the options before buying. What works for me may not work for you. As I said, it is a personal preference! Have Fun! GregH

 

[KBurgoyne]

would it be worth trying to get sights put on the bull barelled savage.

 

[GHarman]

Worth it is very subjective terminology. If you have the money. why not? Will you be able to wring out the accuracy potential of that rifle with irons. No!

Will you be able to shoot satisfactorily? Sure!

I would go with a front sight block and a slip on globe front sight, and a receiver sight. If you are going to primarily punch holes in paper.

Target style globe front sights have interchangeable inserts that will help you fine tune your sight picture.

There is nothing like a aperture front insert along with an aperture rear sight where your sight picture is concentric circles around a round black bullseye.

This is the setup that competitors commonly use where rules state "iron sights only".

Heres the glitch. the COST! A set of Micrometer style target sights, at the top end with a quality globe front sight, are hugely expensive.

Spec. -ing out a compromise requires exact measurements. And is your receiver specifically drilled and tapped for a sight base? Drilling and tapping adds a small amount to the cost.

A Williams Receiver sight will work. A front sight globe could consist of the elements shown below in the Brownells link

A barrel band, sight block and a slip on Globe. This is as simple as it gets. This example may not be ideal for YOUR rifle. Hope this helps? GregH



BARREL BAND - Brownells