Advertising Vs Reality

[Mark_Kendrick]

Originally posted by Steve St. Laurent

A vendor free for all forum has been discussed in the past. The owners of the site have said that it isn't going to happen. In talks with many vendors the vast majority said they wouldn't be interested in participating in a forum like that. Most business people (myself included) refuse to talk down their competitors and instead choose to promote their products and let their products and service speak for them. A forum like that would basically force those vendors to participate in that kind of bashing, etc just to defend themselves.



Since Bill can't defend himself here for now and the information that started this debate has been corrected on ATS's website (as they said they would do) lets move on.



-Steve St. Laurent

Lead Moderator

Like I said, they can participate at their own will.



I think the current rules are reasonable for the other forums but an area where they can post prices, specials, etc. and argue a little. Granted name calling and such has to be culled but calling a spade a spade should be allowed if the accusation can be supported.



A lot could be said by the tone of the responses posted. Let the vendors that post to it fend for themselves.



If they don't want to use that media to communicat they don't have to.

 

[csutton7]

Canderson--do you have a total transmission from DTT or just the t/c valve body or what????---the reason I ask is we're talking about t/c's here and then you throw out the whole transmission bit from ATS and warranties from both----are the prices the same for the respective parts or whole transmission that you're talking about that is warranted for 3 yrs---just wondering, as you've got info on both---chris

 

[Power Wagon]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick





Like I said, they can participate at their own will.



I think the current rules are reasonable for the other forums but an area where they can post prices, specials, etc. and argue a little. Granted name calling and such has to be culled but calling a spade a spade should be allowed if the accusation can be supported.



A lot could be said by the tone of the responses posted. Let the vendors that post to it fend for themselves.



If they don't want to use that media to communicat they don't have to.

Just a comment on the idea... If X wants to berate Y for some feature of their product, but Y isn't inclined to be in a public argument... Does Y then have to live with the accusations made by X?



What happens, is that whoever is the first to the scene, or brings something up, then tends to force the others into something they may not care for, or may, in their opinion, be low-brow or even totally unworthy of commentary. So does X get to soil Y unfairly or even without merit just because Y doesn't respond?



Debate, discussion, a "fair" fight between ideas by willing participants with sensible rules makes sense. But the above shows that there are some problems with the idea of a free-for-for all. After all, truth is what we're after, right?

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

We'll be able to tell about slinging unwarranted mud.



Any one who would do such a thing will do more damage to themselves than to the intended victim. No seasoned vendor in their right mind would commit an act of slander. they would be liable.



Let the members decide for themselves what is and is not a valid argument for the points of discussion and let the personality of the poster be their own credit or detriment.



Vendors who post irresponsibly will soon be ignored and out of business.



There should be some rules to the forum but they should be much more lenient than the regular member forums.



Also make them only viewable by members. Membership should have advantages.



I did not find Bill's postings offensive or unwarranted. I would have handled it differently but he did not do anything that could be considered slanderous or irresponsible.



FWIW,

MK

 

[KLockliear]

Actually, if one vendor brings up questions which another doesn't respond to, undoubtedly the curious people will call the non-responder to get the answer first hand. At least I have found this to be the case.

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by steve marshall

For the record!

O. E. linning area 33. 66 not 34. but close enough!

D. T. T. linning area 41. 56 not 34.

A. T. S. linning area 117. 6 not 119.

I hope this will clear up some of the mis-leading

info regarding this subject on this post and

on the a. t. s. web site.



disclaimer: supplier's of quality remanufactured

torque converter's for D. T. T. and hundred's of other TCS customers.

steve marshall TCS TRANSMISSION PRODUCTS

Dang!



Now there is a guy who can measure!!

Does anyone dispute those numbers?

 

[Mark_Kendrick]

KLockliear,

True!





NOW FOR THE REAL NEWS... ... ... ... ...



I just had the most amazing conversation with Don Ramer of ATS.



He sent me a PM about what he had read of my posts wanting clear a few things up.



I can say the explanations for the discrepancies were valid. The measurements were made by a third party. Afer the stink they called the company that makes Bill's TC and cleared it up. . I haven't looked but they are supposed to have changed their site. They have also agrred to give me the pictures of their parts undoctored. They have also revealed other info to be released later.



The reason for the secrecy before was patent and trademark realted. I understand that. I also citicized him personally for not saying so before. He apologized.



He has the heart felt desire to end the secrecy now that the trademarks are in place.



They are doing a little damage control and now going on the offense so to say to show that they aren't hiding anything.



They do truely believe in their products and are gonna try to prove it. I commend him for his honesty and the sincerity he has shown ME.



The next few days on the TDR ARE going to VERY interesting to say the least.



l8r,

Mark Kendrick

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by Mark_Kendrick



NOW FOR THE REAL NEWS... ... ... ... ...



I just had the most amazing conversation with Don Ramer of ATS.



He sent me a PM about what he had read of my posts wanting clear a few things up.





They do truely believe in their products and are gonna try to prove it. I commend him for his honesty and the sincerity he has shown ME.



l8r,

Mark Kendrick

See, I told ya! Don is a good guy, and really will try to make us happy.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by csutton7

Canderson--do you have a total transmission from DTT or just the t/c valve body or what????---the reason I ask is we're talking about t/c's here and then you throw out the whole transmission bit from ATS and warranties from both----are the prices the same for the respective parts or whole transmission that you're talking about that is warranted for 3 yrs---just wondering, as you've got info on both---chris

I have the full transmission. The DTT warranty (at least at the time I was there, last August) is one year, unlimited (I think) miles. The ATS warranty is three years/65000 miles, but if you have problems after that, they won't leave you out in the cold. I'm not saying that they will still totally cover it after that, but they will work with you. Don seems to be one awesome guy. They just want to make their customers happy. They have been around for a long time; they are only new to us. They know what they are doing, and I don't blame them for altering the pictures to protect their converter design, it sounds like a masterpiece of engineering. We will see how they hold up, but I think that their durability won't disappoint us, heck, who else offers an unlimited horse power warranty for three years?



Chris

 

[csutton7]

CAnderson---thanks for responding... . chris

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

Chris, actually our warranty is 2 year unlimited miles. 3 year/65000 would be much easier for us as the majority of our customers are RV'ers and hot shotters who put way more than 65000 miles in 3 years. Also with our TC you never need to buy another as the stator has a lifetime warranty and say by chance 5 years down the road your TC is going away for approx. $200 the TC will be completely re-done. And about the hp limit we have never told someone that you have too much power so you have no warranty. Remember that most of the highest hp truck run our stuff.

 

[csutton7]

Stefan---thanks---chris

 

[DennyDay]

Everybody Read This!

My daddy told me this almost 100 years ago - - well would you believe 50!



The salesman that has to talk down his competition, has nothing to sell himself.



Denny

 

[Cummnzpowr]

B-D Power!

 

[JMichelson]

I’m not sure what to do, 30 days is a long time not to have a DTT pi$$in contest.

Guy’s these threads get totally out of hand. I guess it’s one of the many down sides to electronic media, sometimes we hit the send button before we have time to think about what we wrote. These threads are very educational, but the subject of transmissions has been beat into the ground. Rather then a vendor forum, how about when someone ask about a specific product just the people who have that product or experience with it respond. If the vendor wants to respond on some technical aspect of the product then let them do it. I’ve seen numerous threads that ask question about Brand X only to be told that they should buy Brand Z. If someone wants information on another product, post another question. My solution and humble opinion. Jeff

Mr. St . Laurent, keep up the good work, I would not want your job. Removing a thread while trying to keep an open forum is a very tuff job. Thanks.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by Cummnzpowr

B-D Power!

 

[dodgenstein]

This things like a car wreck. I want to look away,but I can't.

 

[danandamy]

Originally posted by JeffMic

I’m not sure what to do, 30 days is a long time not to have a DTT pi$$in contest.

Well, there's always the trusty K&N or Amsoil threads :-{}



potstirrerdan

 

[RottnDogue]

Chris are you not happy with your DTT Transmission? If not what aren't you happy with? Just Curious... ...

 

[Sled Puller]

Don't fret, I have talked to Stefan on the phone, he almost had me ordering a DTT, and I have a stick.

I believe he can carry on if need be.



Dan, are you saying you would like me to start one of those up?Oo.