Allison trans in 2022??

[MGroft]

Just watch the video you posted tinman what a procedure check transmission fluid. What a real pain

 

[AHutson]

So far the 8HP70 in our ecodiesel has been good. That lifetime fill statement is not at all accurate. I found the service directions for it in English, converting over to miles from kilometers the fluid should be changed in the 50,000 to 74,500 miles range. Geno's is selling a pan with a replaceable filter for this transmission now, but still a plastic pan.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

The Allison 1000 weighs about xxx550xxx 330 pounds; the Aisin 69 about 425 lb.

 

[TFucili]

The Allison 1000 weighs about 550 pounds; the Aisin 69 about 425 lb.

Everything I see says the Allison 1000 weighs @330 lbs.

 

[DHayden]

The Allison 1000 is 330 pounds dry. The HD 8 speed ZF is close to the same, 335 or 340 as I recall.

Edit: beat me to it, you posted as I was typing

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Yes, I mis-typed. I meant to hit the 3 not the 5 key. I should have proof-read, sorry.

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

Sorry, I mis-typed, meant 3s not 5s. Should have proofread it.

 

[DHayden]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/ram-heavy-duty-trucks-zf-8-speed-transmission/

https://moparinsiders.com/zfs-new-powerline-8-speed-automatic-could-make-it-to-cummins-diesel-rams/

https://www.truckinginfo.com/334440/zf-shows-new-8-speed-transmission-adas-steering-tech

Links 1 and 3 are from June 2020

328 pounds, skip shift, claim 10% fuel savings over "competitors"

 

[TFucili]

Time's a'wastin', let's get on with it!

 

[NIsaacs]

Time's a'wastin', let's get on with it!

It's here...

The Ram Trucks 2500/3500 Heavy-Duty Pickup is available with a 6.4L HEMI V-8 gas engine that delivers 410 hp and 429 lb.-ft. of torque or a 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel. The Ram 2500 is offered with a Standard-Output 6.7L, delivering 370 hp and 850 lb.-ft. of torque. The Ram 3500 is offered with a High-Output 6.7L, delivering 400 hp and 1,000 lb.-ft. of torque.

For 2020, the Ram 3500, 4500, and 5500 Chassis Cabs are available with Lane Keep Assist, adaptive steering, body-color bumpers, and Ram telematics vehicle tracking. In addition, the 2020 Ram 3500 Chassis Cab is the first to offer an 8-speed transmission in the segment.

 

[TFucili]

It's here...

The Ram Trucks 2500/3500 Heavy-Duty Pickup is available with a 6.4L HEMI V-8 gas engine that delivers 410 hp and 429 lb.-ft. of torque or a 6.7L Cummins Turbo Diesel. The Ram 2500 is offered with a Standard-Output 6.7L, delivering 370 hp and 850 lb.-ft. of torque. The Ram 3500 is offered with a High-Output 6.7L, delivering 400 hp and 1,000 lb.-ft. of torque.

For 2020, the Ram 3500, 4500, and 5500 Chassis Cabs are available with Lane Keep Assist, adaptive steering, body-color bumpers, and Ram telematics vehicle tracking. In addition, the 2020 Ram 3500 Chassis Cab is the first to offer an 8-speed transmission in the segment.

Only with the gasser, though, and that's not the beefed up ZF in the articles, AFAIK.

 

[NIsaacs]

Only with the gasser, though, and that's not the beefed up ZF in the articles, AFAIK.

Well fudge.... I didn't see the gasser part in my article.

 

[DHayden]

From the third article:

Starting out, it will launch in first or second gear, depending on the load, and it will skip-shift when the opportunity presents itself. It has a neutral idle feature that disengages the torque convertor to take the load off the engine when the truck isn't moving. Gear ratios range from 4.89 in first to 0.64 in eighth, which is like double or maybe triple overdrive. There's plenty of latitude in the eight cogs for any driving condition, and ZF did say that fuel economy was a prime driver in the engineering process.

"The PowerLine is at least — not up to — at least 10% better on fuel than any competitive product in same application," said Kohl.

The transmission boasts 30% better acceleration than other transmission and a 45% weight advantage -- the PowerLine 8 weighs a paltry 328 pounds.

 

[TFucili]

It could... just maybe... but possibly... even realistically... at least hopefully translate to a notable gain in performance, and MPG, which we need for sure.

 

[endoscott]

I know nothing about how these different transmissions are built but I dont like German engineering in general. They think of elegant but complicated solutions to things. At least regarding dental equipment. We bought the latest and greatest delivery systems early 90s. Much more expensive than Japanese and American built. Pretty to look at. Nothing but trouble. Horrible customer service! Parts always on a SLOW boat from Germany and they did not give 2 s---s how mad customers were. Repair techs hated working on them too. Kind of like Porsche 911 VS Toyota 4-runner (with Aisin BTW.) My daughter has my old 97 4runner, pushing 300K miles. transmission only ever had fluid changes. Still shifts great. We just bought another one of those for an offroad build, factory locker. Under 200K on that one. Perfect for desert trails. Anyway I would rather have Aisin Trans. I dont think ZF have been exactly trouble free in other rigs from what I hear. I will take 6 speeds and reliability over 8,9,10 speeds any day. Maybe I will just keep the '14 instead of getting a new truck, IDK.

 

[JR]

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/ram-heavy-duty-trucks-zf-8-speed-transmission/

https://moparinsiders.com/zfs-new-powerline-8-speed-automatic-could-make-it-to-cummins-diesel-rams/

https://www.truckinginfo.com/334440/zf-shows-new-8-speed-transmission-adas-steering-tech

Links 1 and 3 are from June 2020

328 pounds, skip shift, claim 10% fuel savings over "competitors"

See post 17

 

[DHayden]

See post 17

Been aware of the transmission for years and that it was tested in a Ram, just posted the articles because they had a current date insinuating they are going into the new Ram. Posted the excerpt for those who dont like to read links.

 

[JR]

Gear ratios range from 4.89 in first

OK Snoking, you better run out and buy one up ASAP! That paltry 3.75 1st gear in your Aisin won't be capable of towing your lawn mower here pretty soon

 

[Ozymandias]

4.89 in first on an Automatic is equal to a 9.78 in a standard transmission.
That is impressive!

That thing will get the load moving under any circumstances for sure.

 

[DGamelin]

I have a truck on order and had a problem with the dealer about not wanting the aluminum wheels. Which led to a call from a dodge rep about what our problem was, long story. Anyway the order was put in before they shut down the HD line in Mexico. He said it may not be up until February. I could make any changes I wanted until then. He said there are going to be a lot of changes and he will let me know. I asked him about Allison. He said the 23s will have them, not sure about the 22s when they start up. I asked him if they would be that rebranded Allison10 speed that GM is using. He said he didn't know but for a while you may have a choice. An Allison made by Allison I am ok with. That rebranded 10 speed made by GM and called an Allison I am not. I am fine with the Aisin, this has been the best working trans I have had in a truck and I hate to mess with what works. He said he would call when it is time to finalize the truck with any changes they may have made. Maybe we will know something then.