I have let this thread go on for some time, even though it has been somewhat outside the guidelines... Because the thread IS informative... Or at least it was in the beginning, and because as a moderator, I dislike having to close conversations.
Of course, there are times when pulling a thread, deleting it, or otherwise ending it's existence is immediately required. The best rule enforcement on the forums, is when the participants themselves stick to the rules, not when the moderators have to constantly close or delete active threads. I'm going to quote the relevant areas from the guidelines below, and if you read them, after reading this thread, you'll notice how they prevent things from both getting out of hand, and how they keep vendor vs vendor harangues from both flooding the forum with perhaps redundant posts and from becoming the medium for a personal fight between those posting.
If you'll notice, this thread is not closed. If you can follow the guidelines below and continue adding to it, I have no problem with that. I realize that what's posted below IS a change, both from what has been policy, and how this forum has been moderated, so I am just going to take this occaision to try to be informative and perhaps demonstrate the value of of the guidelines. I will, in the future, far more strictly apply these rules, so consider this a "heads up". Thank you for your cooperation.
TDR Website's Terms and Conditions of Participation
Updated: January 6, 2002
Welcome to the Turbo Diesel Register (TDR) Website!
We trust you will find the site both informative and fun, but first things first: By using our website, you are agreeing to the following terms and conditions. If you do not wish to comply with these terms and conditions, you shouldn’t request posting privileges on the TDR’s Website. Please note that we reserve the right to change these guidelines at any time, and your continued use of the Website indicates that you agree to comply with any new or modified guidelines. So remember to review the TDR’s posting guidelines from time to time.
1. Username and Access (please read this guideline carefully). Subscribers may select a username of choice (all usernames will be screened for appropriateness - no profanity or vulgarity, etc. ) Each subscriber's last name (as it appears on his/her TDR subscription) will be included in his/her profile.
Vendor Note: Each active vendor/commercial subscriber (account) must have his or her business name incorporated into his or her signature block.
By requesting posting privileges on the TDR’s Website, you certify that all information you provide during the registration process is accurate.
2. Conduct. The TDR encourages lively and informative discussion among Discussion Forum participants. But keep it clean and productive. Do not use or allow others to use your subscription to:
2. 1. Post any form of solicitation on any Discussion Forum;
2. 2. Post or transmit any material that is mean-spirited, abusive, obscene, hateful, fraudulent, threatening, vulgar harassing, or defamatory (the use of symbols or characters to mask profanity and expletives is prohibited and undermines the spirit of these guidelines);
2. 3. Post, transmit or link to sexually explicit material;
2. 4. Post or transmit any material that you don’t have authorization to transmit under the law (copyrighted material);
2. 5. Intentionally violate any applicable law or regulation; or
2. 6. Knowingly post (or threaten to post) or transmit (or threaten to transmit) any file that contains computer viruses, corrupt files, or any other contaminating or destructive features that may damage computer equipment.
2. 7. Moderators may delete any post in violation of these guidelines.
4. Discussion Forums. The TDR Website Discussion Forum is designed to help owners solicit input from others on the proper maintenance and operation of their truck. Most truck enthusiasts want detailed information, thorough analysis, entertaining reading, and friendly (accurate) guidance. We recognize that while we have a lot of truck information in this forum, people sometimes post replies that are misleading, deceptive, or downright wrong. They may do this unintentionally or, sad to say, intentionally. Let’s change the timeworn axiom to read, "Let the ‘reader’ beware. " Use good common sense. Remember, we do not have the staff to mediate or "police" all of the information that is posted. Analyze thoroughly before taking any advice offered. The fundamental concept is that you should not rely solely upon any information or opinions you read. Rather, you should use what you read as a starting point for doing independent research on products and maintenance techniques.
4. 1. Keep your posts relevant to the topic at hand.
4. 2. Post your topic in the correct forum. Moderators will move posts that are incorrectly located.
4. 3. Moderators may delete posted items offered for sale within any Discussion Forum.
5. Vendor Participation: Vendor input and commentary is welcomed in our Discussion Forums, however, direct solicitation is not. Vendors have proven to provide insightful conversation and commentary. Demonstrate professionalism in all post to the TDR Discussion Forums. The following will be strictly enforced:
5. 1. The TDR Discussion Forums are not an appropriate forum for emotionally charged discussion between manufacturers, distributors, dealers, shops and/or users. These forums are intended to be technical resources for members interested in learning more about the proper care and maintenance of their trucks. All Vendors will refrain from making direct, emotionally charged, posts to and/or about competitors. All Vendor posts must be civil and technically oriented. If Vendors wish to compare products with competitors, use generic references (i. e. “oiled element air filter” as opposed to Amsoil, AFE and K&N).
5. 2. No direct solicitation pricing discussions are allowed on the TDR Discussion Forums. The discussion of prices is best left off-line in a private e-mail to those with interest as noted in the appropriate area of the Classified Advertisements. Why? Because many people who visit our Website do not want to pay to read solicitations and sales pitches in our technical Discussion Forums.
5. 3. Vendor participants must have their business name incorporated into their signature block. Vendors may include their business telephone number within their Profile so that it is available to other TDR website users.