Anatomy of a Frantz toilet paper bypass oil filter

[bmoeller]

I do my own work anyways.

Originally posted by amsoilman

I am my own warranty station, but a By-pass oil system WILL NOT VOID A WARRANTY!

As am I, if I ever HAD a warranty. :-laf Have never owned a vehicle that was new enough or low enough mileage for that.

Even if I did, I still would put a by-pass on, whether it voided the warranty or not.

 

[Pawpaw]

Is one enough?

From the wefilterit website:



What is the Cleaning Capacity of a Frantz Oil Filter/Cleaner?



Each single unit will clean up to 8 quarts of lubricating oil. (This can be up to 10 quarts with more frequent element changes) Two single Frantz Oil Cleaner/Filters may be installed in a "parallel" sequence to provide sufficient cleaning capability for those engines with a crankcase capacity exceeding 8 quarts and up to 20 quarts.





Should we be using two of these on our trucks? That sounds like overkill to me.

 

[bmoeller]

Re: Attention..... Group buy is A-OK

Originally posted by Chipstien

Ok, here's what we can do. We can get them for $110 plus $10 for shipping. So who would be interested? I need to determine how many we can get.

What do we need to do to get in on the GP for the Frantz? Never got into one of these GPs before.

 

[Johnstra]

Please count me in for one (1) on the group buy!



Gary - Super post!



-john

 

[amsoilman]

What is the Cleaning Capacity of a Frantz Oil Filter/Cleaner?

This is the reason why Amsoil offers three different By-Pass elements due to amount of oil capacity in engine sumps. Each of the three elements will screw on the mounts, the only differences is in the length.



BE-90=up to 9 quarts.



BE-100 up to 15 quarts.



Be-110 up to 21 quarts.



If larger capacities are needed, they offer a Dual-gard unit on which two of these elements can be mounted.



Wayne

amsoilman

 

[Royk]

Put me in for at least one, probably two. Thinking of putting one on the wife's truck too.



Roy

 

[CTait]

I am in for one please.

 

[Rman]

Gary are you getting any royalties off this? You've started a TP movement! hehehe good post

 

[fkovalski]

Originally posted by Rman

TP (&) movement!

Two words that go together

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

AS to the question about the capacity of the Frantz - the one I am now using was originally installed on a Chevy smallblock V8 (several different ones thru the years) - and for the last 7 years or more, been serving quite adequately on 2 different Cummins - my original '91, and now the '02.



As previously stated, I change the TP at about 2500 miles, just as I did with the much lower lube capacity Chevies - absolutely NO complaints - handles it nicely.

 

[Ralph Wood]

the best filter element Cummins Fleetguard has as far as I know uses shredded newspapers and wood chips as an element. Wix and a few others also make them. The housing might have Peterbilt written on it or it might have lubrafiner on it but several companies make elements for it. At one time Frantz made elements for them. The advantage with the Frantz elements is you had the depth of the tp and the capacity of the big filters. Making the best and then competing with the big boys didnt work too well. You have to talk to 1000 people to find someone that can comprehend submicronic filtration. The big Gulf Coast filters that have two elements have a 1/16" orifice at the inlet. I have found large elements for the big filters that are very close to the tp. They are working great in the big Gulf Coast filters on the big diesels I am resposible for at work. They can also hold up in water so they are very good on the big glycol systems at work. It is conditioning coils. The reason the big filters can clean so well is the oil is able to soak thru instead of being forced thru at a high volume. Motor Guard never made large filters. They simple manifolded multiple filters in parallel. One filter for up to 12 qts two filters for 12 to 24 qts and four filtes fur over 24 qts. Four filters fed by a 1/16" orifice would be a powerful filter if you could find a place for it. I am sending four M-30s to a guy for manifolding on a large Cat engine on a marine vessel.

The big paper towel filters came about because it took too many tp filters on the big fishing boats on the west coast. I havent seen any 1 1/2" core tp in awhile. I am machining the nylatron cores to fit the newer 1 5/8" core tp for the Motor Guards. Cummins is used to bypass filters. Gulf Coast had a customer that told the truck dealer to remove the Gulf Coast filter from the old truck and put it on his new truck. They said it would void the warranty. He said OK I will go buy a truck with a Cat engine they dont have a ptoblem with the filters. They said wait a minute we will call Cummins. Guess what Cummins said? To install the filter. Dealers sometimes try to make their own rules. I installed a Frantz on a new Ford 460 that turned out to be an oil burner. They didnt try to blame the Frantz but gave him the run around until he had it repaired by a local mechanic. All of the ring gaps were lined up on one cylinder. If I ever got a lemon engine I would pull the filter off before taking it back to the dealer. If that is too much trouble you probably shouldnt have a submicronic bypass filter. You can have trouble any time they see something under the hood that interferes with the oil change business. Filters that clean oil have no advantages to anyone except the equipment owner.



Ralph

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

"Filters that clean oil have no advantages to anyone except the equipment owner. "

 

[Chipstien]

Re: Re: Attention..... Group buy is A-OK

Originally posted by bmoeller

What do we need to do to get in on the GP for the Frantz? Never got into one of these GPs before.

So far I am just taking names. Soon I will start PM'ing those that are interested and get some info. I think that I will wait a week or so to make sure that word gets around and those interested have a chance to get in on the GP. When it comes time to pay there are a couple of ways we can do it. I will see how Frantz (George Walker Enterprises) wishes to go about it.

 

[Chipstien]

So far the list goes like this...







Forrest 1

fkovalski 1

drhoades 1

Jim Mccarty 1

Bob Hall 1

jwinnie 1

CFAR 1

bmoeller 1

BSimms 1

mhenon 1

Johnstra 1

Roy K 1 or 2

CTait 1

Chipstien possibly 1 or 2 more





Did I miss anyone?

 

[nixter]

Me too please...



Thanks to Gary for the informative thread. And thanks to Chipstien for the GP leg work.





Nixter



(one unit)

 

[fj40dave]

Sign me up.....



Dave Alberts

Anacortes, WA

 

[AUrban]

Add me to the list... thanks. And thanks for your technical explanations and insight.



Tony

 

[moparguy]

Gary, I just received my Frantz (ebay), I haven't had time to totally check it out, but I'm wondering, what's with the big snap ring. Is it a used in conjuncition with the lock strap,



Thanks, RR

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

The snap ring looking thing goes in after the TP is inserted into the canister, and provides a sort of seal and retainer for the TP roll - if you look closely at the used roll and upside down canister up at the top of this thread, you might see it there. It can be sort of a pain to get that ring seated properly, but it helps to first actually stick the freshly loaded canister onto the base fully - that seats the roll enough to then allow the ring to be installed and then the canister can be reinstalled and ready for use.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

IN case anyone is interested:



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2473838316&category=33661&