Another Smarty thread...I don't like it so far

[lmills]

Smarty on 8 (no timing) plus tst on any setting other than 0 = rattle on high rpms. Smarty on level 9 with the TST off, I hardly hear a hint of timing However the bully dog had quite a bit of timing up high with the TST also so I have sorta gotten used to the rattle up high. It does not seem to be as severe with the Smarty

 

[gitchesum]

Mine rattles with the Smarty and TST.



My current set-up is Smarty on 4(no add timing) and the TST on 3/3. Even with the TST On 1/1, I still get a little rattle.



Seeing that I've driven everything from a 12 valve to a HPCR, that little bit of rattle doesn't bother me at all, and doesn't seem to adversly affect my truck's performance.



As a matter of face, the Smarty 4 and TST 3/3 combo makes for a very nice running truck. A little more smoke on the big end, but it sure does get up to the big end a hurry.

 

[JStieger]

On my truck, when I get the rattling with the TST on the power seems to just fall flat and hit an invisible wall. Smarty alone or TST alone is great, though!

 

[lmills]

Can't say that mine falls on its face. Guess that's why it hasn't bothered me. :-laf

 

[480RUGER]

What does the EZ add? I see driverno8 said, “Remember EZ is on Level 2 on all these runs. ” Would this cause more timing to the Smarty/TST stack?



I’m on night shift with nothing to do so if I missed something sorry for a stupid post LOL.



I love my Smarty; helps find the weakest link FAST.

 

[Bob Wagner]

480RUGER this discussions is for the common rail trucks 2003 and up

 

[480RUGER]

Thanks Bob,

I did notice that. I take that to mean the EZ adds no timing on the CR trucks, there for no extra rattle?

 

[480RUGER]

Just making sure Marco noticed that fact. Keep up the great work Bob and thanks for the candy.

 

[Marco]

GREAT we're getting a good picture now! Thanks for all your tests! I know it's time consuming...



Let's see if I'm getting it correctly.

The rattle seems to be related to the fact that taller than stock injectors are used in 03-04 engines. Let's assume they already advance the timing a little on their own.



1) Smarty ALONE using softwares without increased timing = no rattle. ( Even #'s)

2) Smarty ALONE using softwares with increased timing = rattle only at high RPM's.

3)Add TST at any level to Smarty = rattle.

Correct?



Just one ( more ) stupid question, you don't have a Rocktech ( Sp? ) sensor on the trucks? Just to make sure... .



Smarty's timing alone does " rattle " a little @ high RPM's. That's where I have increased the timing most, or better where the stock timing is waaaayyyy retarded. In this case what you call rattle, I spell it performance.



I believe you hear it due to the fact that the CR is so quiet. On the previous engines you would not have heard it. Fact is, diesel engines DO rattle a little with a correct timing. In fact driverno8 sez :

OK, went out and loaded #6. Feels good. Not as peppy as #7.

Sure, the "less peppy" thing is due to the less ( stock ) timing...



But let's see the real concern, the fact that the TST added to Smarty rattles even with a stock timing, while it SHOULD not.



Hmmmm, let me tinker a little about it. I'm starting to see a light...



Driverno8, would you be willing to test a few variations of let's say software # 6. I'd need to send you another update for your Smarty with modified softwares. You test them... .



Thanks!



Marco

 

[WCPoe]

Smarty plus the EDGE EZ

480Ruger - I have a 2004. 5 with the Smarty and an Edge EZ, (the one with the in cab 3 position switch). The EZ only adds a little extra pressure. I believe the EZ box is rated 25, 45, 65 hp on each of the positions of the in cab switch. I normally have the switch on the lowest setting but I just had to experiment after I loaded the Smarty softwares. Switch postion 2 and 3 levels increase the performance with the Smarty. Level 2 is significant when I have the number 9 Smarty loaded, (software ver 202B). Level 3 seems to start off even harder but I think my stock lift pump falls behind when the RPM's get higher so it's probably draining the rail. I hope to upgrade the lift pump system sometime this fall.

It is my understanding that the current Smarty software versions have a 30 PSI boost limit and will defuel beyond that unless you have a TST or similar box that is doing boost fooling, (I have a Edge Hot Juice with the Attitude monitor). I leave the HJ/A on level 0 or stock and my SPS66 charger will hit about 47 PSI. The HJ/A doesn't work well otherwise with the Smarty because of the way the HJ/A gets its data from the ECM - it's my understanding the HJ/A attitude can't understand the new data output from the Smarty software.

Hope this helps.

 

[JStieger]

Just one ( more ) stupid question, you don't have a Rocktech ( Sp? ) sensor on the trucks? Just to make sure... .

No Rocktech sensor on mine!

 

[Marco]

No Rocktech sensor on mine!

You know, the only dumb question is the one you ( * I * !! ) don't ask...



WCPoe,

what problems does the Edge develop with the Smarty in the mix?



Thanks,



Marco

 

[driverno8]

Marco - Every explanation you described above is right on. No problem testing something for you. Let me know what you need me to do. I'm all game to get this worked out. Because this thing has made my truck wake up nicely and I really want it to work. Just gotta get the kinks out. Thanks a ton for listening to the few of us that are having issues. As a business owner myself, customer satisfaction is #1. And you're proving you got it. Thank you.



Also, I don't have a Roktech sensor either.







JStieger - "Invisible wall"... . exactly! Couldn't have said it better.

 

[Marco]

Driverno8,

I've send you a PM.



Marco

 

[WCPoe]

Edge Hot Juice and Smarty info for Marco

Marco - I haven't done significant testing with the Juice turned up since someone posted that the Juice has trouble reading the ECM data. I didn't want to chance a situation that might damage the motor. My seat of the pants feeling is that the Smarty alone is much stronger than turning the Juice box beyond level 0 with the Smarty loaded. I left the Juice box connected only because of the boost fooling feature.

It may simply be a situation that my fuel delivery is not adequate. However, my fuel pressure gauge only pulls down to about 4-5 psi. It pulls down to about the same psi under maximum accelleration no matter what combination of boxes, (Edge Hot Juice/Atttude, Edge EZ, and Smarty), I run. My truck does tend to "lay over" on the top end when doing a standing start accelleration test. A 70-90+ mph roll on seems to yield more staying power on the top end.

One note - I have never had any "popping" or other indication of major fuel starvation that other members have posted.

I'll try to experiment more with the Smarty and the Juice box. Do you have any recommendations? One thing I don't know - Is whether or not the Hot Juice adds timing and on what levels?

I'm currently running the Smarty 202b on number 9 with my Edge EZ pressure box set on the number 1, (1=25hp, 2=45hp and 3=65hp pressure settings). Light accelleration causes very little smoke and a heavy foot will produce a dark cloud. It is an impressive ride set up like this. Thanks for all the efforts you and others, (Bob), have provided. Bill

 

[AEzzo]

Marco I'm currently running the Smarty 202b on number 9 with my Edge EZ pressure box set on the number 1, (1=25hp, 2=45hp and 3=65hp pressure settings). Light accelleration causes very little smoke and a heavy foot will produce a dark cloud. It is an impressive ride set up like this. Thanks for all the efforts you and others, (Bob), have provided. Bill

I am also running Smarty 202b on S/W 9. S/W 9 has now become very street driveable with this new software. I only get a little puff under normal acceleration and only get a light haze under WO throttle. If the motor is lugged in the least bit though the smoke is thick and dark.



Another thing is the touchy fuel pedal is thing of the past. No more hitting a bump and having the truck jerking around. It's perfect!



My II PS 62/80 spools very quickly now. I just had my transmission upgraded so I have to take it easy for 300 miles. After that I will start to add the Quad race the mix and see how it does.



I'm going to have to Dyno now because I'm dying to see what this stack will put out. I'm hoping to be close to 500 HP or even slightly over. (wishful thinking?)

 

[Marco]

Thanks guys!

Glad to hear that something works after all... :-laf Oo.



I'm working with driverno8 but we have a couple computer related problems.

His Mac... small E-Mail boxes... we'll work that one out too... .

All it takes is just a lil more patience till he can do his testing.



Thanks,



Marco

 

[driverno8]

Marco - Sent you a PM. Yea, my neighbors ISP was down for a bit. Got it uploaded finally. Thanks again for everything.



-Matt

 

[olznut]

I'm anxiously waiting and watching Matt, I just got my work bonus today!!! :-laf

 

[lmills]

Marco, not sure if you saw the post I made in the other thread or not. I loaded up the SW#5 last night to pull my car trailer. When I fired the truck up to leave it sounded horrible and was running rough. I ended up pulling over and loading SW#6 back in the truck to pull the trailer with.



I am going to try to download the newest update to see if it helps