Attention: TDR Forum Junkies 
Well I know better, but.....
This began with a member telling us of the great experience he had relating to ATS, and that he
would soon be able to put up 'un-altered' pics.
Good news to everyone who is curious.
Remarks that this won't be very interesting since Bill can't post, and further remarks that someone
else can do it like usual, is mentioned (with humor intended)
Members want to '... see a real picture for how this Tc is really going to work ... '
As a result of the vigorous urging of a number of members to post pics.
Stephan holds back
Someone suggests that maybe thats best to allow ATS the chance to jump in and field some
questions.
Stephan responds, finally, and says he agree's.
Someone else post's the first of the 'picture series' (the hub I think it was) which is promptly
re-produced by a number of people with questions.
Stephan write's he '. . For those interested I also have pics . . If you guys are interested just let me know. . ',
suggesting (to me) he'll do it privately or email or whatever.
Finally he posts a couple pics.
Expressions of "appreciation" follow.
From direct questions, Stephan refrains from making 'representations' of what is shown,
I assume still waiting for ATS.
Various observations, theories, speculation is put forward. Stephan states he '... . cannot comment
on what you saw... ' to another members' comments of pics.
An honest attempt at a description of function/components is offered by member from memory.
Debate on pumps, dyno sheets, etc.
Stephan asks about MM and who's going.
Stephan is thanked again for posting pic(s)
Major conspiracy develops since DTT doesn't make their TC in the back.
Seems like the proven track record of the company their product and top grade service is now in question.
Whole bunches of pics dissapear (I'm thinking server trouble here) and Stephan should explain or remove his.
Repeated questions to ATS remain unanswered. (They have a life too I think, lets cut 'em some slack)
ATS has had enough and makes its' position known. (Can't blame 'em)
What I can't figure out is this. .
Since Bill and the boys stepped up to the plate some time ago, and showed us what product/service was all about, why is Stephan the bad guy? Cause his dad can't post so lets use him?
Admin said Stephan can still post and answer for his dad. He tries and there ya go.
I can't figure why HE is still hangin in here, ATS left!
I personally, honestly hope that ATS has discovered its "Holy Grail" for the lock-up crowd. Swear to God
I do.
No one likes to have their respective 'judgement' called into question, I know I cringe when it happens.
Someone who has tons of experience jumps in (albeit lacking the political smoozzing, double talk skills)
and tells it like it is (as he knows it) and he's a bum since he can't dance, not to mention that since his TC isn't from the 'back room' he obviously has no input, quality control, and has no excuse for foregoing the overhead/cost of all that equipment thereby keeping OUR cost down.
Lord forbid!
I'm certain if we follow the 'food chain' very few Co. 's make their own gear(s) cases, oil, etc.
Why don't we let the new product make its run, see how it goes, and take it from there?
As I recall, from Bill's approach, his first concern was " 1) the customer... " just like it has always been since day one.
If he's wrong I'll bet he'll step up to that responsibility too, just like any other time, if not we'll see.
I for one just don't want to loose the opportunity to see some of the best in the field (all comers, Bill started somewere too) walk away from us end users here, and leave us with our fingers in our nose, and a satisfying ' I sure told him'.
Disclaimer: no similarity to any person living/dead/real or otherwise is intended and NO FLAME intended either.
JMO.
Bob
This began with a member telling us of the great experience he had relating to ATS, and that he
would soon be able to put up 'un-altered' pics.
Good news to everyone who is curious.
Remarks that this won't be very interesting since Bill can't post, and further remarks that someone
else can do it like usual, is mentioned (with humor intended)
Members want to '... see a real picture for how this Tc is really going to work ... '
As a result of the vigorous urging of a number of members to post pics.
Stephan holds back
Someone suggests that maybe thats best to allow ATS the chance to jump in and field some
questions.
Stephan responds, finally, and says he agree's.
Someone else post's the first of the 'picture series' (the hub I think it was) which is promptly
re-produced by a number of people with questions.
Stephan write's he '. . For those interested I also have pics . . If you guys are interested just let me know. . ',
suggesting (to me) he'll do it privately or email or whatever.
Finally he posts a couple pics.
Expressions of "appreciation" follow.
From direct questions, Stephan refrains from making 'representations' of what is shown,
I assume still waiting for ATS.
Various observations, theories, speculation is put forward. Stephan states he '... . cannot comment
on what you saw... ' to another members' comments of pics.
An honest attempt at a description of function/components is offered by member from memory.
Debate on pumps, dyno sheets, etc.
Stephan asks about MM and who's going.
Stephan is thanked again for posting pic(s)
Major conspiracy develops since DTT doesn't make their TC in the back.
Seems like the proven track record of the company their product and top grade service is now in question.
Whole bunches of pics dissapear (I'm thinking server trouble here) and Stephan should explain or remove his.
Repeated questions to ATS remain unanswered. (They have a life too I think, lets cut 'em some slack)
ATS has had enough and makes its' position known. (Can't blame 'em)
What I can't figure out is this. .
Since Bill and the boys stepped up to the plate some time ago, and showed us what product/service was all about, why is Stephan the bad guy? Cause his dad can't post so lets use him?
Admin said Stephan can still post and answer for his dad. He tries and there ya go.
I can't figure why HE is still hangin in here, ATS left!
I personally, honestly hope that ATS has discovered its "Holy Grail" for the lock-up crowd. Swear to God
I do.
No one likes to have their respective 'judgement' called into question, I know I cringe when it happens.
Someone who has tons of experience jumps in (albeit lacking the political smoozzing, double talk skills)
and tells it like it is (as he knows it) and he's a bum since he can't dance, not to mention that since his TC isn't from the 'back room' he obviously has no input, quality control, and has no excuse for foregoing the overhead/cost of all that equipment thereby keeping OUR cost down.
Lord forbid!
I'm certain if we follow the 'food chain' very few Co. 's make their own gear(s) cases, oil, etc.
Why don't we let the new product make its run, see how it goes, and take it from there?
As I recall, from Bill's approach, his first concern was " 1) the customer... " just like it has always been since day one.
If he's wrong I'll bet he'll step up to that responsibility too, just like any other time, if not we'll see.
I for one just don't want to loose the opportunity to see some of the best in the field (all comers, Bill started somewere too) walk away from us end users here, and leave us with our fingers in our nose, and a satisfying ' I sure told him'.
Disclaimer: no similarity to any person living/dead/real or otherwise is intended and NO FLAME intended either.
JMO.
Bob
Not fun!!!
. Although on the bright side, I read back through it and after scrounging through all the posts I did find answers to a few of my questions-too bad that some of the smarter guys like Don M never got theirs... . 
