bomber lite, other mild turbo options for 3G trucks?

[ChrisRyan]

What kind of filter goes in the DD airbox?

 

[KLockliear]

We use an AFE filter.

 

[ChrisRyan]

Do you have a turbo that might work on my truck in stock?Oo.

 

[KLockliear]

What does the HX-40 not do for you that you are looking for? Spoolup? EGT control?



What injectors are in your truck? What about a box? Do you have one? Have you dynoed your truck? What kind of power does it make on the dyno?

 

[Bob Wagner]

keith, go back a page, he blew up the 40

 

[KLockliear]

Oh. Okay, well, yes, our turbo kit is in stock.

 

[ChrisRyan]

The truck hits 470 on the dyno rwhp.

Stopped testing their because clutch slipping bad.

I have a double disk drag clutch from southbend but not in yet.

The hx-40 was fine exept its in more than one piece:{

100 horse injectors

predator box setup the way I wanted it



I broke this turbo on thursday and have been talking to people about it ever since. PDS recommended a B-1 modified to fit like my 40 but mark said it would take 3 weeks to get it.



Talked to relentless diesel and strickland wanted to check out a DD turbo. I think he called a jammer?



I need something that is tougher than the 40 I had but still need to be able to pull occasionally. Oh yea I woukd like for it to fit with out me having to modify the turbo myself.

Oo. Oo. Oo.

 

[KLockliear]

The MB103 kit is a complete bolt in kit for the stock turbo on the 03/04. It does require you to use our airbox though, or be prepared to modify/add piping to get another airbox type to work with what we send.



The kit has better spoolup than a 40, with better reliability and slightly more EGT control (flows a bit more CFM). The Jammer is what we call the turbo. The MB103 is the complete kit of the Jammer and all the piping to fit a truck like yours.

 

[ChrisRyan]

I'll call you monday and get a price on turbo and airbox.

 

[ChrisRyan]

Keith, if I wanted twins could I still use your jammer with them or would you use a different turbo.

My tembs are pretty warm and twins may be the only way to have my cake and eat it too.

 

[DLeno]

well, guys, I guess I'm missing something or not stating my question very well. I'm trying to understand why the design of the DD turbo had to accomodate new intake geometries and the design of the B1 turbo does not. Or am I mistaken about the B1? is the B1 constrained around a particular air box?

 

[Joseph Donnelly]

The DD turbo does not need any more stuff than other big turbos for it to fit perfectly to an air box and exhaust system. The stuff in the kit helps a lot for those who don't want to scrounge and custom built stuff. You could use a stock air box (too restrictive) or an AFE (taller but workable with a longer right-angle pipe). The whole point if that if you use the stuff DD has found to work, then you don't have to re-engineer or re-think anything. The custom compressor elbow and pipe to the intercooler make the job go a lot easier, but no one is preventing you from making up stuff like you have to do with other turbos. They all have to make that right angle bend that is peculiar to the new HY, and then go to the intercooler. It's just way easier with the DD kit.

 

[KLockliear]

Chris, at 500hp, you shouldn't have too much of an EGT issue, at least we don't with our mods. I know you have other products on your truck, and every truck is different, so I can't guarantee anything.



We have tried twins, and the single was better at 500hp. Better spoolup and lower EGT's a cruise. WOT was about the same.



When the new timing/pulse box comes out, we'll likely build a larger single kit for the 3G trucks.

 

[KLockliear]

DLeno, Joe pretty well summed it up, but looking back, no one has said why we provide the kit in the first place. Let me see if I can clarify it for you.



The Jammer requires an exit elbow where the compressor discharge is. Because the 3G truck's HY turbo has this built it, we had to fabricate one. It's tight down there, so we get a piece from Cummins, then cut and shorten it, and weld it back together. That way we still use a V-clamp and o-ring seal. This also necessitates a new intercooler pipe from that elbow to the intercooler. We provide that as well.



That intercooler piping will NOT clear the stock piping for the inlet of the turbo. This required us to make a pipe that would clear and yet still get up to the airbox. We did this and include it in the kit.



The height and angle of the airbox outlet is crucial for all of this stuff to line up. We made sure our piping fits to our airbox. To the others, it may or may not work. I know it will not work with the K&N or AirRaid setups. The AFE I have not even seen.



I have not seen a B1 on a 3G, so I don't know what they are doing, but I know that it too has a straight outlet for the compressor discharge. I assume they must also have some kind of elbow and intercooler piping.



If it's still not clear, I can get a pic of it all on Monday. Can anyone furnish pics of a B1 and the standard B1 kit on a 3G?

 

[ChrisRyan]

Keith, I dont have any problem changing the mods on my 03.

Ive been driving dodge diesels since 94 and still have everyone of them 13 to be exact the oldest with 375,00 miles and everyone still working everyday.



This 2003 is the first truck that is not a work truck so I'm tinkering with it and having a real good time. Barry Sadler(Dr. P) may not have been the rught place to start but I didnt know any better at the time. I want to make lots of power with this truck so think about the turbo as 500 wont be the end of it. I dont know anything about hot rodding a diesel so asking questions this time around on the turbo. Anybody else feel free to jump in with your opinions.

 

[Agades]

scotty



hhhhem



scotty!



go take a picture of rods B-1 and let us know if the scotty 3 fits



i know rod has been very busy so he may not see this thread

 

[DLeno]

Originally posted by KLockliear

The Jammer requires an exit elbow where the compressor discharge is. Because the 3G truck's HY turbo has this built it, we had to fabricate one. It's tight down there, so we get a piece from Cummins, then cut and shorten it, and weld it back together. That way we still use a V-clamp and o-ring seal. This also necessitates a new intercooler pipe from that elbow to the intercooler. We provide that as well.



That intercooler piping will NOT clear the stock piping for the inlet of the turbo. This required us to make a pipe that would clear and yet still get up to the airbox. We did this and include it in the kit.

ahhh, thats the information I was looking for. Its all because of the custom elbow that forced a custom intercooler pipe that precludes use of the stock inlet pipe. So any air box that has been designed around the stock inlet geometries won't work.



So will your airbox accomodate a pro-guard 7 element?

 

[ThomasLawrence]

Keith,



If you get the chance, I'd like to see that picture of the DD turbo installed.



Thanks

 

[KLockliear]

It would accomodate it, but AFE has not yet built the filter we use in the Pro Guard 7 element. We have asked for it though.



Here is a pic of the turbo/piping installed. Now you can see how tight it is.



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[d90boy]

I just want to second the convienent nature of the DD turbo kit. I have done a lot of metal fabrication for myself and others. I have a TIG, MIG, and stick welder, plasma cutter and anything else I would need to make a turbo work. But after installing the DD kit all that work would be a waste of time. The DD kit bolted right in place with no special skills needed.



If a larger turbo is offered down the road all I ask of Kieth and DD is to try and make it work with as much of this original kit as possible. It would be nice to offer it for sale in a more basic form for those of us that have the current turbo kit.



I have installed the pro-guard-7 filter in my truck in the DD airbox. I ordered the one from Geno's that i bellieve fits the AFE intake. It went in without a problem and gives me good peace of mind.