2nd Gen Non-Engine/Transmission Damn Electronics!!!!!

[Cummins360]

Ok thats it now I'm ******, I was posting in another forum on this sight and some guy said that he likes electronics on diesels :-{} and I think there the most horrible discusting thing anyone could put on a diesel engine. If someone else out there hates electronics also please let me know... ... ... ... .

 

[JKinney]

I like the electonics better on diesels in boats on the ocean. The salt water and corrosion help keep the elctricity flowing :-laf

 

[Joe G.]

If the electronics ever gets reliable then it should be better. Tripple redundancy comes to mind. As it is now, my poor old stupid 12 valve engine in my '95 is the best way to go. It won't even throw a CEL unless the alternator chokes.

 

[ToolManTimTaylor]

C3 what's up? Why the hate? Struck by lightning or somethin as a kid? Maybee an omish grandparrent? :{ :-laf Electronics are really not bad. Their main pourpose *Was* to make for an easy low cost (<----Key word) method for common parts that would normaly wear out mechanicly. (Take Points and condensor and mechanical timing) Yep all wrapped up in one easy module now. However that was in the late 70's. Yeah things got out of control once TV shows like Knight rider made it's way mainstream in the 80's and made alot of engineers in the automotive industry feel the need too follow the TV show. :-laf Here we are in the 00's and things are a bit techno ... but kinda nice

 

[nps]

Besides, the ones without electronics don't come with enough valves either. :-laf

 

[Bill Lins]

6 cylinders, 6 intake valves, 6 exhaust valves- what could be more perfectly balanced? ;-)

 

[Cummins360]

Hey dont start another 12 vs 24 valve war... ... . we all know where this will lead... ... . to you believing that 12 valves are properly valved, the engineer who designed the 24 valve ISB motor is probably in a drug re-hab center somewhere for CRACK! LMAO!!!!

 

[Rman]

I like electronics, perhaps the 12 yrs as a tech and all the training might sway that. It's not nearly as complicated as you all make it out to be. The systems on the diesels are very simple. I work with F16 electronics, and even to me, those systems are somewhat simple. The newer things are becoming more complex, but that lies mostly with software integration, the electronic side of things is still not that complex.



Is it the lack of experience that makes you "hate" it. Because you certainly cannot question the design, atleast from my perspective you can't. There's several factors when designing a circuit. Face it, lifespan is one of them, they aren't going to pony up the money for that because they won't get the return on it. With people buying new vehicles every few years, why should they bother?

 

[RustyJC]

If someone tried to build a "mechanical" diesel to meet Tier 3 emissions requirements, he/she would see how complex mechanical (i. e. , pneumatic/hydraulic) control systems can become! For better or worse, electronics have much more capability to handle the complex algorithms that are required to control engine operations to conform to today's emissions requirements.



Rusty

 

[Joe G.]

Rman,



That's exactly the point. Electronic control is better, but when it's built as cheap as possible you ARE going to have problems. If it was built to the standards of a F16 I might be tempted to trade my '95.

 

[Rman]

There's give and take, they don't want it as cheap as possible, they want affordability with reliability. It's a delicate balance. That being said I have a 2002, and I'm on my second VP-44. But I certainly wouldn't throw it away because of one failed part.

 

[Cummins360]

This is what a properly valved engine should look like, Caugh..... NO ELECTRONICS... ... . Caugh :-laf :-laf

 

[BigPapa]

I'm with you Joe. It's not the point of complexity, it's the dependability. And besides, I'm comforted knowing I'll still be able to drive when we get hit by the nukes! :-laf



Scott

 

[Regcabguy]

12-valve and ULSD

I'm with you Joe. It's not the point of complexity, it's the dependability. And besides, I'm comforted knowing I'll still be able to drive when we get hit by the nukes! :-laf



Scott

I'd love to have a 12-valve,particularly a '98. How's the new fuel going to effect the p7100's I wonder? Mucho additive necessary?

 

[CCutshaw]

Sell your computer, TV, and trash the cell phone then go to bed when the sun goes down and blow out the candles.

Calvin



Flame on! :-laf

 

[Joe G.]

Sell your computer, TV, and trash the cell phone then go to bed when the sun goes down and blow out the candles.

Calvin



Flame on! :-laf

I think you miss the whole point of this discussion. None of the things you mention can make you walk in the middle of the night somewhere in Nevada if they fail. The point is that electronics in motor vehicles are not at the level of dependability that they should be. They will get better, but that point has not been reached yet. The electrical and electronic problems reported and reported again on these forums illustrate that.

 

[CCutshaw]

No, I get the point of this thread. My 86’s first injector pump went at 51k, and will stall if I don’t use sulfur substitute. My 99’s is running on the original LP and VP. And with Macro’s smarty I’m getting 18. 6 MPG around town. Mechanical or Electrical they both break down.

Calvin

 

[Rman]

I'd venture to say that there are WAY more 24V owners on this board than 12V owners. That's one of the main reasons why "there are so many reported problems". My family has been running dodge trucks since the cummins inception and believe me, 12V's breakdown too. I'll take a newer truck over the old 92 anyday of the week. There's more than just the injection pump, look at all the other improvements in the vehicle overall.

 

[BigPapa]

look at all the other improvements in the vehicle overall.

Yeah, I hear they have really nice sun glasses holders. :-laf



Scott

 

[CCutshaw]

I also have a nice holder for my gate opener. :-laf