Discounted fuel filters

[gsbrockman]

Thanks Greg! I knew I could count on you for great information.

Then why did you preface your post with the tar & feather comment then
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In all seriousness......CTD owners have desired great fuel filtration for years, then finally get greattttttt fuel filtration with the 2013 & newer rigs.

When we finally get greatttttt fuel filtration, some come along and start exploring the cheap Auto Defender crap, look at increasing the change intervals, and look at changing only one of the two filters every 30K miles.

I just find it terribly ironic that some want to save a few dollars on an expensive diesel truck is all. I am at 345K miles and The Radio Flyer still gets the good stuff, by the book, every 15K miles.....and I am long, long outside of warranty.

 

[jelag]

Guys.. I already extend my filter distance... have for years when we installed a 10 and 2 filter system in the Fords before I started with the dodges... BUT I've not put the torque wrench on the lid to remove it but I'm guessing its all of 100 ft lbs... and the first 1/2 turn makes me feel like the lid is not going to budge... I do have the correct socket but I really hate all that pressure on these synthetic parts...

And of course what I see, is that down the road the NUT will get bad.. and I don't care as long as it goes bad as the darn lid comes off... not when its tight to the assembly..

So next time I'm going to try the Vaseline... Just saying it looks like a real problem down the road...

 

[JR]

Guys.. I already extend my filter distance... have for years when we installed a 10 and 2 filter system in the Fords before I started with the dodges... BUT I've not put the torque wrench on the lid to remove it but I'm guessing its all of 100 ft lbs... and the first 1/2 turn makes me feel like the lid is not going to budge... I do have the correct socket but I really hate all that pressure on these synthetic parts...

And of course what I see, is that down the road the NUT will get bad.. and I don't care as long as it goes bad as the darn lid comes off... not when its tight to the assembly..

So next time I'm going to try the Vaseline... Just saying it looks like a real problem down the road...

I had the same issue first time I changed my filters (bought truck used). Mine also went back on harder than I felt it should, was able to seal it up BUT did not like the feel of it. So I purchased a new fuel cap before my next service.....that being said I am still using my original. I bought mine off of Amazon for around $55 but afterwards saw that Geno's sells them. Not sure of the price. Mopar part # 68065612AA if you are interested.

 

[TCDiesel]

So I am just going to throw this out there at the risk of being tarred and feathered...but here goes...could you just replace the front filter every other change of the rear? I think the rear does the bulk of the filtering and when I pulled out the front cartridge, it was almost new looking! Is the front filter a finer filter like a 2 mic versus something a bit more coarse in the back? Just asking...NOT saying I would ever do it but just a question.

I'm with Prolean on this, I have only changed My Engine Mount filter canister 1 Time in five years of ownership the frame has been twice in same time frame, I remove it inspect with surgeon glasses and if NO debris found reinstall. yes the truck has Auxiliary Filtration, I change those filters Once every 1- 2 years.

Why toss a perfectly good filter in the trash after inspection of being found healthy?

OK so the warranty says So..Why would thorough inspection be any different than NEW? I love canister style filters ,its those spin-ons that QC issue are cover up and I have found the labeling to be extremely misleading and in some case deceptive.. The only company I trust that Makes spin-ons is Zinga, I've been to Zinga You could eat eggs of the floor. I've also tested those popular spin-ons and NO thanks. The OEM engine 6.7 (2013+) mounted Cummins filter is well designed, I consider it 1 of the best in the world.

 

[Hippy43]

Read a great thread on this site about the 6.7 diesel fuel filters but it seems Athens Dodge and National Fleet supply no longer sell on Amazon. NCD Mopar is now selling "genuine MOPAR" filters for $91.96. Any info on NCD. Also if Athens and National are still selling these filters how do I order from them. Where else can genuine filters be bought cheaply.


EDit : Sorry I found Athens on Amazon at $89.

Just bought my fuel filters from Athen's (via Amazon) last week) for $85. I like dealing with Athens just because their support responds really fast and they always try to have the best price on genuine OEM Mopar / Fleetguard filter sets. This time was the first goof up in a purchase. Bought the set, received only the Fleetguard front filter. Messaged them, got a response within an hour asking which one was missing, replied and that afternoon they have the rear filter in the UPS truck. You just have to check Amazon regularly to see if they are available from Athens. First set I bought I got lucky and caught the set for $72. Anyway, point being is even at their highest price I'm still saving $20 - $30 over buying them local.

 

[Jessicacary]

I ordered a set of Mopar fuel filters that came with two oil filters for my 2016 2500 from National Fleet Parts for $112.80. Three-day shipping was $24.00.

 

[KevinChrist]

I don't post much but I can give you some information on how to save big on FILTERS in general. Twice a year every NAPA store is eligible to have a filter sale on the NAPA gold filters. My local store just had theirs. The filters eligible are the GOLD series filters. I am always buying filters for the endless amount of cars, trucks, and equipment I own, not to mention batteries! I currently buy the two fuel filters for $68.00 during the sale. I have a spreadsheet of every oil, fuel, hydr, and air filter I will ever use and I keep them in stock and always rebuy/restock when the sale comes around. Another tidbit of information... No two NAPA stores have a filter sale at the same time. So, that means somewhere this week a NAPA store is holding a filter sale.
Several debates exist in my post.....
1) Yes, these are aftermarket and not oem filters.
2) Do they meet the manufacturer requirements?
3) What protection do I have?

Let me kind of sum up those questions. In my experience, I have found NAPA gold filters to be a great filter and in most cases meet or exceed the manufacturers requirements. NAPA (Genuine Parts Co.) is a huge corporation that has an outstanding reputation and will most certainly stand behind their product and any defects it has or may cause. BTW most of the NAPA gold filters are WIX filters FYI. Next, there is this law that exists called Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. Check it out sometime. In general terms it is made clear that the manufacturer can not deny you warranty on your product if you use an aftermarket filter. You can pick up one of these cards at your local NAPA store that breaks it down a little further.
I am not endorsing NAPA by any means. In fact, I give my spreadsheet to all of my competing parts stores twice a year when I source my filters and tell them I have 10% loyalty factor. Also, from experience with CAT, I have had to deal with the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. CAT is a real pain to deal with when it comes to filters and their warranty! At the end of the day there are only a handful of companies that make filters chances are yours might be one in a different box!

The “NP” suffix in the filter number indicates that a new multilayered nanofiber filter media is used. The Prefix “nano” means billionth, so by definition, a nanofiber is defined as one that is less than 100 nanometers in diameter. To put this into perspective, a human hair measures approximately 50 Microns in diameter. One of those microns would be 100 times larger than a nanofiber. The NAPA reps will also talk with you so ask your store to talk to a local NAPA Filters District Manager.
Another FYI, the Cartridge fuel filter they offer is rated at a nominal micron rating of 2!

Feel free to contact me if you need any help!

 

[KevinChrist]

ProLean, I understand the fact that you think the fuel filters "look fine". However, you must absolutely change fuel filters often not for visible contamination but also for Fuel Algae (its hard to see in its early stages). In addition to replacing the filters, you should treat or shock your system (tank) with an additive to make sure there is no algae present and prevent it from happening. I use a Schaeffer's product called fuel shock.

 

[JConquest]

RAM Filters

Over the past 15 years at least, I have shopped for and purchased filters through Geno's garage. Service is wonderful and prompt and better priced for quality filters. MOPAR and Fleetguard are available. Based on TDR research, I use Fleetguard consistently.

 

[Cummins12V98]

ProLean, I understand the fact that you think the fuel filters "look fine". However, you must absolutely change fuel filters often not for visible contamination but also for Fuel Algae (its hard to see in its early stages). In addition to replacing the filters, you should treat or shock your system (tank) with an additive to make sure there is no algae present and prevent it from happening. I use a Schaeffer's product called fuel shock.

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[Cummins12V98]

ProLean, I understand the fact that you think the fuel filters "look fine". However, you must absolutely change fuel filters often not for visible contamination but also for Fuel Algae (its hard to see in its early stages). In addition to replacing the filters, you should treat or shock your system (tank) with an additive to make sure there is no algae present and prevent it from happening. I use a Schaeffer's product called fuel shock.

Fill in your public signature so we know what you are driving, details.

 

[Cummins12V98]

Over the past 15 years at least, I have shopped for and purchased filters through Geno's garage. Service is wonderful and prompt and better priced for quality filters. MOPAR and Fleetguard are available. Based on TDR research, I use Fleetguard consistently.

I have literally spent thousands of $$$ with Geno's. I have started buying all my air, fuel and oil filters from AMAZON. all filters are Mopar, FleetGuard or Raycor.

TOO darn much difference in price!

 

[JR]

I don't post much but I can give you some information on how to save big on FILTERS in general. Twice a year every NAPA store is eligible to have a filter sale on the NAPA gold filters. My local store just had theirs. The filters eligible are the GOLD series filters. I am always buying filters for the endless amount of cars, trucks, and equipment I own, not to mention batteries! I currently buy the two fuel filters for $68.00 during the sale. I have a spreadsheet of every oil, fuel, hydr, and air filter I will ever use and I keep them in stock and always rebuy/restock when the sale comes around. Another tidbit of information... No two NAPA stores have a filter sale at the same time. So, that means somewhere this week a NAPA store is holding a filter sale.
Several debates exist in my post.....
1) Yes, these are aftermarket and not oem filters.
2) Do they meet the manufacturer requirements?
3) What protection do I have?

Let me kind of sum up those questions. In my experience, I have found NAPA gold filters to be a great filter and in most cases meet or exceed the manufacturers requirements. NAPA (Genuine Parts Co.) is a huge corporation that has an outstanding reputation and will most certainly stand behind their product and any defects it has or may cause. BTW most of the NAPA gold filters are WIX filters FYI. Next, there is this law that exists called Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. Check it out sometime. In general terms it is made clear that the manufacturer can not deny you warranty on your product if you use an aftermarket filter. You can pick up one of these cards at your local NAPA store that breaks it down a little further.
I am not endorsing NAPA by any means. In fact, I give my spreadsheet to all of my competing parts stores twice a year when I source my filters and tell them I have 10% loyalty factor. Also, from experience with CAT, I have had to deal with the Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. CAT is a real pain to deal with when it comes to filters and their warranty! At the end of the day there are only a handful of companies that make filters chances are yours might be one in a different box!

The “NP” suffix in the filter number indicates that a new multilayered nanofiber filter media is used. The Prefix “nano” means billionth, so by definition, a nanofiber is defined as one that is less than 100 nanometers in diameter. To put this into perspective, a human hair measures approximately 50 Microns in diameter. One of those microns would be 100 times larger than a nanofiber. The NAPA reps will also talk with you so ask your store to talk to a local NAPA Filters District Manager.
Another FYI, the Cartridge fuel filter they offer is rated at a nominal micron rating of 2!

Feel free to contact me if you need any help!

Rather than plagiarize Wix's website can you please post their efficiency numbers?

Here is Fleetguard FS53000 specs, which is the OE specd, and therefore Cummins performance required secondary filter.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw2K5vtFOLXe76TubLyu39lb

 

[KevinChrist]

check out my post its is a 2 micron filter. A 2 micron filter is about the best filter you will find. Expensive too! For years, before dodge did, we put on a 2 micron perma cool filter in line. We did this on brand new trucks for our customers. I can not remember what the filter number was off the top of my head. We live very rural and dealt with many fuel contamination problems with high pressure systems. we found that this was the easiest solution as well as extending and filtering vent tubes for the fuel tank to keep dirt out.

cummins12v98....... I think I have my profile updated now. I have always been a long time subscriber to TDR just never got online until now. In fact, I have never been part of a forum like this. Thanks

 

[JR]

check out my post its is a 2 micron filter. A 2 micron filter is about the best filter you will find. Expensive too! For years, before dodge did, we put on a 2 micron perma cool filter in line. We did this on brand new trucks for our customers. I can not remember what the filter number was off the top of my head. We live very rural and dealt with many fuel contamination problems with high pressure systems. we found that this was the easiest solution as well as extending and filtering vent tubes for the fuel tank to keep dirt out.

cummins12v98....... I think I have my profile updated now. I have always been a long time subscriber to TDR just never got online until now. In fact, I have never been part of a forum like this. Thanks

That doesn't even begin to tell the whole story, a beta ratio or efficiency percentage at the published micron rating would paint a much better picture.
I briefly looked on Wix's website but didn't find the beta ratio.

 

[KevinChrist]

Correct! This is an old filter (by comparison) and they used a "nominal micron rating". Up until recently, a universally accepted test method to measure the media pore size has not existed. The new test procedure you mention called multi-pass testing or Beta ratio testing is fairly new to most filters but has been a sought-after test for hydraulic filters. Perhaps another debate for another time? I am not all too familiar yet with this testing other that large equipment guys prefer this in extreme working conditions like this test simulates. From what I can tell so far is that this is a very complex testing procedure and not all filters have been tested yet. I can check with my filter rep on this spec. and repost but, a 2-micron filter is a damn good filter.

 

[JR]

It is not a new test method to filter manufacturers. I have no doubt that Wix has and knows this info but the fact they do not post it (at least as best as I can tell) says alot IMO. In no way am I attempting to start a ******* match but for this reason it is not possible to compare a Wix to a Fleetguard.

As far as having a difficult time getting Cat to warranty a failure, if you were to use a filter that does not meet Cummins (Fleetguard) requirements you may be facing the same problems. Cummins got into the filtration game partially due to warranty issues, most of which were due to substandard filtration. There have been several TSB's regarding this subject over the years regarding K&N and Wix filters at one time. They may well both get one through a warranty period but that in no way means their capabilities are up to OEM standards.

 

[crowman]

I agree. You spend $60,000 on a truck and they ***** about a $20.00 dollar difference.

 

[TCDiesel]

It is not a new test method to filter manufacturers. I have no doubt that Wix has and knows this info but the fact they do not post it (at least as best as I can tell) says alot IMO. In no way am I attempting to start a ******* match but for this reason it is not possible to compare a Wix to a Fleetguard.

As far as having a difficult time getting Cat to warranty a failure, if you were to use a filter that does not meet Cummins (Fleetguard) requirements you may be facing the same problems. Cummins got into the filtration game partially due to warranty issues, most of which were due to substandard filtration. There have been several TSB's regarding this subject over the years regarding K&N and Wix filters at one time. They may well both get one through a warranty period but that in no way means their capabilities are up to OEM standards.

You have to use extreme caution on labeling and testing. If the filter Has x Rating what PSI does that rating reflect? if its tested at 5 Psi and your running 15.?
Now add that 25hg any 6.7/5.9 GP creates you really are throwing those test for a loop? IMO place more filters prior to OEM canister is good, after OEM canister IMO is a NoNo for spin-ons... You have NO idea of the condition of the spin-on. if your factory canister becomes x dirty it will create vacuum on the spin-on...25hg can place stress on the spin-on media and cause it to collapse or engage the bypass (possibly ) relapsing contaminates .

 

[TCDiesel]

Ok here's Zinga ratings. I use the AE-03AZL on My Auxiliary System, The chart shows that filter will get 50% of 5mics & 98.7% of 24mics on the first pass and it will absorb 7.2oz of water, the more water it absorbs, the bigger the restriction until it curtail 100% of the flow, I ask at what PSI that rating used, their reply is that the best the filter can do up to 50PSI.

You legally cannot sell this filter for direct injection filter certification (Combustion fuel delivery), Its possible to curtail the flow 100% , Fed law prohibits this..This clearly shows that and spin-on must have bypass ability, the canister filters get by this by allowing x% to bypass 100% of the time. You want your canister filter to be the final filtration to combustion to assist the secondary filter, and the more filters prior to the final filter canister the cleaner the combustion fuel.