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Re: This thread is great.......
Originally posted by Johnboy3
I few thoughts I have had about this thread so far... ...
1. DD didn't want an individual going out to Muncie and cleaning house without being able to somehow say that they were the ones that did it. (No offense meant Jim)
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No No No JohnBoy3. Jim will show you fellas how HP and not RPM can move the weight. Since the majority of the Mitchell trucks use RPM and not much HP. Jim will show you how it works to use HP.
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2. If Don M knew as much about computers and the internet as he does real diesel power and pulling, he wouldn't be able to turn the puter on at all let alone post his babbling on here.
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Im learning JohnBoy3
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3. It's interesting that with a little math (or "west coast correction") that the 950 hp mid-west engine isn't that big a deal compared to a DD truck that dynoed less.
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Since the 950HP motor was on an engine dyno and you normally subtract 20% for driveline loss. This puts the rear wheel HP at around 740HP for the same engine. This would be 47HP below what DD got at the rear wheels. Nearly 50HP. Its not west coast correction at all.
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4. I really hope the western trucks have their stuff together for Muncie so that we don't have to hear a whole bunch of excuses when they get whooped.
T-D-Kid---I know what you mean--it wouldn't surprise me if the sleds back east are set to lighter tolerances than out here
--anyway we won't settle this until it's an all out east vs west event and everybody shows-cuz if Jim does win you guys are going to call it a Mitchell win and if he doesn't you guys will be screaming DD can't hang--
J-boy---I was just doing the math to show everyone that there's not a big diff between east and west--I was in no way banging the fact that a 950hp engine dyno was small potatoes--it's awesome--but you are wrong the DD truck dyno'd more, 787hp at the rear wheels--that'd be real close to 980 engine hp on a dyno---chris
--anyway we won't settle this until it's an all out east vs west event and everybody shows-cuz if Jim does win you guys are going to call it a Mitchell win and if he doesn't you guys will be screaming DD can't hang--J-boy---I was just doing the math to show everyone that there's not a big diff between east and west--I was in no way banging the fact that a 950hp engine dyno was small potatoes--it's awesome--but you are wrong the DD truck dyno'd more, 787hp at the rear wheels--that'd be real close to 980 engine hp on a dyno---chris
Don said,
'No No No JohnBoy3. Jim will show you fellas how HP and not RPM can move the weight. Jim will show you how it works to use HP"
Holy cow! I never thought of that.
Use Horsepower to pull the sled.
I best call Mitchell and let him in on this huge discovery.
While he is on the phone, prolly tell him that smoke don't move sleds neither, he got it all wrong, that silly hilljack.
Don your killin me!!!
'No No No JohnBoy3. Jim will show you fellas how HP and not RPM can move the weight. Jim will show you how it works to use HP"
Holy cow! I never thought of that.
Use Horsepower to pull the sled.
I best call Mitchell and let him in on this huge discovery.
While he is on the phone, prolly tell him that smoke don't move sleds neither, he got it all wrong, that silly hilljack.
Don your killin me!!!
Originally posted by csutton7
T-D-Kid---I know what you mean--it wouldn't surprise me if the sleds back east are set to lighter tolerances than out here
**CHRIS, WE ARE NOT THE ONES THAT ADD TWO PULLS TOGETHER TO INFLATE THE FOOTAGE!!!!!!**
cuz if Jim does win you guys are going to call it a Mitchell win and if he doesn't you guys will be screaming DD can't hang--
dyno---chris
Only one way to fix this.
Jim takes the Mitchell parts OFF (set them aside Jim you will need them afterwards. ) and borrows Joe Donnellys MAGIC HX-55, the one that makes 600 hp at 400 rpm.
Come on DD, your boys have bragged OVER AND OVER again about making power on ONE, (1) turbo.
Take off the Mitchell parts and jump in the snake pit like men, standing on your own companys work.
Keith? Where you at? Joe? Don?
Prolly all working on copying a twin set up about now.
Lets rock!!
Oo.DonM-you sure seem to know an awful lot about Mitchell's trucks. Where did you get this info??
You also need to quit comparing this 950hp dyno run to DD. OK,DD made 787 at the wheels... . that was MAX POWER. The run in question was not 950 MAX POWER... . that's when the head gasket let go. It still had PLENTY left!!
You boys just keep on thinking how yer gonna come out here and clean up. Only thing you'll be cleaning is the mess off your seats when you see the power our pulling trucks make!
You also need to quit comparing this 950hp dyno run to DD. OK,DD made 787 at the wheels... . that was MAX POWER. The run in question was not 950 MAX POWER... . that's when the head gasket let go. It still had PLENTY left!!
You boys just keep on thinking how yer gonna come out here and clean up. Only thing you'll be cleaning is the mess off your seats when you see the power our pulling trucks make!
Gene, Oh poor Gene, my poor poor Gene. Just when I thought you had finally recovered, really recovered not just enjoying a hiatus of clear thinking, you fell off the wagon with such a resounding thud that the shock waves knocked even your loyal sheep off their feet.
Gene, there is no alternative... its back to DDHA for you (i. e. Diesel Dynamics Haters Anonymous)
It will be hard for you to complete the program since you are constantly surrounded by farmers, hilljacks, etc and the temptation to relapse back to their way everyday will be great.
But rest assured, you can make it through and become a proud member of the graduated of higher learning. I will not abandon you while you face the dreaded EE withdrawals.
If it helps here are some tips to help speed your recovery:
1)Remember the ability to think straight is not a sign of mental illness Gene. Its a sign of mental health.
2)Mainstream people are on the side of proven power. The power of the West is proven with dyno sheets for all to see. Not a secret engine dyno sheet.
3)Keep telling yourself that if the hilljacks really had HP they would all be telling the world they made it.
4)DD's vehicles can be street driven and are not kept in a cage.
5)Stop fantasizing about HP levels when you dont know if they are meaningfull or not.
6)Unlike you have now... have an ethos of--read my words-- accepting the truth.
7)Andrew (aka TxdieselKid) could go to the meetings with you. You could both hold hands and help one another through the program.
Of course there is the alternative of continuing in your disbelief and you will always have a company (DD) and region(West) to blame when it rains on your sled pulling track.
msmtd,
You could go to the meetings too. All three of ya could potentially be cured by next year.
Don~
Gene, there is no alternative... its back to DDHA for you (i. e. Diesel Dynamics Haters Anonymous)
It will be hard for you to complete the program since you are constantly surrounded by farmers, hilljacks, etc and the temptation to relapse back to their way everyday will be great.
But rest assured, you can make it through and become a proud member of the graduated of higher learning. I will not abandon you while you face the dreaded EE withdrawals.
If it helps here are some tips to help speed your recovery:
1)Remember the ability to think straight is not a sign of mental illness Gene. Its a sign of mental health.
2)Mainstream people are on the side of proven power. The power of the West is proven with dyno sheets for all to see. Not a secret engine dyno sheet.
3)Keep telling yourself that if the hilljacks really had HP they would all be telling the world they made it.
4)DD's vehicles can be street driven and are not kept in a cage.
5)Stop fantasizing about HP levels when you dont know if they are meaningfull or not.
6)Unlike you have now... have an ethos of--read my words-- accepting the truth.
7)Andrew (aka TxdieselKid) could go to the meetings with you. You could both hold hands and help one another through the program.
Of course there is the alternative of continuing in your disbelief and you will always have a company (DD) and region(West) to blame when it rains on your sled pulling track.
msmtd,
You could go to the meetings too. All three of ya could potentially be cured by next year.
Don~
Originally posted by msmtd
DonM-you sure seem to know an awful lot about Mitchell's trucks. Where did you get this info??
You also need to quit comparing this 950hp dyno run to DD. OK,DD made 787 at the wheels... . that was MAX POWER. The run in question was not 950 MAX POWER... . that's when the head gasket let go. It still had PLENTY left!!
You boys just keep on thinking how yer gonna come out here and clean up. Only thing you'll be cleaning is the mess off your seats when you see the power our pulling trucks make!
msmtd,
I guess before I begin I would like to ask if you have a name or just an internet handle? I can think of a few good names for the letters msmtd if you like. Is it an acronym?
Don~
Don, the West couldn't be so lucky!!
Andrew
Careful TDK!
You may call the wrath of the masked ~~ down upon you!!
Don~,
You keep talking about this PROVEN hp.
15 guys watching a computer spit out a sheet with numbers and lines.
OR-
Several thousand people over the last few years watching the Power put to the track, IN USE.
Let me know when DD breaks any parts, then we will know they are finally down the path to max hp.
You may call the wrath of the masked ~~ down upon you!!
Don~,
You keep talking about this PROVEN hp.
15 guys watching a computer spit out a sheet with numbers and lines.
OR-
Several thousand people over the last few years watching the Power put to the track, IN USE.
Let me know when DD breaks any parts, then we will know they are finally down the path to max hp.
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Gene,
With a dynojet you are accelerating a known weight and measuring the time it takes to get it done. Remember Newtons laws of mass and inertia?
The dynojet takes known weight (slugs of inertia) and measures the time it takes to accelerate them. This gives the HP reading. It IS the simplest way to measure HP.
The problem with the pulling track is inconsistancy. One day the track may be muddy. One day it may be dry. One sled may have higher weight or slugs of inertia. One sled may move the weight up the sled faster for some examples.
On another note: broken parts are an indication of the extreme weight being moved down the track. Not a positive indicator of how powerfull a certain truck is in all cases.
Last night I read that Loretta went 311 feet and you went 292 pulling the same sled, same track, etc. 19 feet is not a large spread when considering all the variables in track conditions, the side of the track pulled on, rpm differences, etc.
Knowing the mods you have to your truck gives me an idea of how much power you have and I can extrapolate the power that Loretta Mitchell was making as well by looking at the spread of distance between you. I cant get right on the money, but close enough to give me an idea of where the EE trucks are in HP.
Knowing the basic strength of u-joints, input shafts, clutch holding ability, etc. gives me more of an insight to the amount of power the trucks make given the weight they are pulling.
I aint impressed by the smoke show after I do the math. Or should I say smoke and mirrors!?!
Don~
With a dynojet you are accelerating a known weight and measuring the time it takes to get it done. Remember Newtons laws of mass and inertia?
The dynojet takes known weight (slugs of inertia) and measures the time it takes to accelerate them. This gives the HP reading. It IS the simplest way to measure HP.
The problem with the pulling track is inconsistancy. One day the track may be muddy. One day it may be dry. One sled may have higher weight or slugs of inertia. One sled may move the weight up the sled faster for some examples.
On another note: broken parts are an indication of the extreme weight being moved down the track. Not a positive indicator of how powerfull a certain truck is in all cases.
Last night I read that Loretta went 311 feet and you went 292 pulling the same sled, same track, etc. 19 feet is not a large spread when considering all the variables in track conditions, the side of the track pulled on, rpm differences, etc.
Knowing the mods you have to your truck gives me an idea of how much power you have and I can extrapolate the power that Loretta Mitchell was making as well by looking at the spread of distance between you. I cant get right on the money, but close enough to give me an idea of where the EE trucks are in HP.
Knowing the basic strength of u-joints, input shafts, clutch holding ability, etc. gives me more of an insight to the amount of power the trucks make given the weight they are pulling.
I aint impressed by the smoke show after I do the math. Or should I say smoke and mirrors!?!
Don~
Oh this should be good!
A cluelass man from 2500 miles away, never seen a truck pull, is going to do math to figure out a 19 foot difference at the track to get horsepower.
After he explains there are too many variables.
Please Don, write it out for us, I would love to see the math on this one!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your little games will not make Mitchells power go away, no matter how much you want it to so your fantasys come true
Andrew,
I believ that thread tells it all, thanks for bringing it back up.
A cluelass man from 2500 miles away, never seen a truck pull, is going to do math to figure out a 19 foot difference at the track to get horsepower.
After he explains there are too many variables.
Please Don, write it out for us, I would love to see the math on this one!!
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your little games will not make Mitchells power go away, no matter how much you want it to so your fantasys come true
Andrew,
I believ that thread tells it all, thanks for bringing it back up.
DonM-don't you worry about my name. This isn't about my name,so don't try twisting it. Come to Muncie or Scheid's and you can meet me Face to Face.
19' isn't much of a spread? And you are going to calculate HP from this? How many pulls have you been to? How many Mitchell trucks have you ACTUALLY seen in person? This shows you're true intelligance,or lack thereof.
19' isn't much of a spread? And you are going to calculate HP from this? How many pulls have you been to? How many Mitchell trucks have you ACTUALLY seen in person? This shows you're true intelligance,or lack thereof.
Gene,
I could write it out, but you would struggle to understand what was written. So I wont waste my time. If I ever get a chance to come to Muncie or Penn I will stop by and show you how the calculation would work visually. I could bring some wooden blocks, a tonka truck, and a mock up sled and give you a basic understanding of the laws of Newton:--)
After you see and understand that portion I will show you why more smoke does not equal HP. All that black stuff bellowing out of the white truck is mostly a show.
Course Syllabus will include:
1) Teaching Gene Mohney why smoke production is not linear to increased HP levels
2) Teaching Gene Mohney how inertia and mass, velocity, force (including frictional, tensional, spring, normal, applied, and gravitational) we will leave out air resistance force since most sleds are pulled in the mid-west at low velocities can used to prove the white truck of EE is not making any more power than the trucks of DD.
3) Teaching Gene Mohney why the HP gap is not that big between Loretta at 311 feet and Him at 292 feet on the same pulling track.
Don~
I could write it out, but you would struggle to understand what was written. So I wont waste my time. If I ever get a chance to come to Muncie or Penn I will stop by and show you how the calculation would work visually. I could bring some wooden blocks, a tonka truck, and a mock up sled and give you a basic understanding of the laws of Newton:--)
After you see and understand that portion I will show you why more smoke does not equal HP. All that black stuff bellowing out of the white truck is mostly a show.
Course Syllabus will include:
1) Teaching Gene Mohney why smoke production is not linear to increased HP levels
2) Teaching Gene Mohney how inertia and mass, velocity, force (including frictional, tensional, spring, normal, applied, and gravitational) we will leave out air resistance force since most sleds are pulled in the mid-west at low velocities
can used to prove the white truck of EE is not making any more power than the trucks of DD. 3) Teaching Gene Mohney why the HP gap is not that big between Loretta at 311 feet and Him at 292 feet on the same pulling track.
Don~
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I have not spoken to Joe in days.
Oh, there are spaces after a comma. Now I know this is the internet and I even make mistakes in grammar and spelling, but your is gettng pretty bad.
Tell ya what. In order to get the thread back on topic I will give my predictions for the event.
The West will dominate the dyno runs. Although the Mustang brand of dyno is less than perfect.
The West will dominate the drag racing
The West will make a good showing in the pulls and Jim Fuller will beat Gene Mohney by many many feet.
Have a good Memorial Day, formerly known as Decoration Day
Don~
Originally posted by msmtd
DonM-you sure seem to know an awful lot about Mitchell's trucks. Where did you get this info??
You also need to quit comparing this 950hp dyno run to DD. OK,DD made 787 at the wheels... . that was MAX POWER. The run in question was not 950 MAX POWER... . that's when the head gasket let go. It still had PLENTY left!!
You seem to know an aweful lot about the DD truck?
787hp was NOT max power, its just what it said when the turbo went boom and thats what the graph showed.
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