dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[Boondocker]

cj hall,



I just want to extend a hearty thank you for maintaining this thread and your passion for your project. I've been running commercial B20 for several months except the rare occasion when I can get straight Bio. I've taken to studying the subject in hopes of someday making my own. While I prefer Bio over other non-petrol fuels, your project is an inspiration and your continuing report is an education.



Sincerely,

Neil Winnemore

 

[cj hall]

first pictures of new filtering unit

hello to all



First of all, thank you neil

here are some pictures of the new unit I have been working on.



I hope to get some feedback on them

pic #1 is the heating / mixing / filtering unit all in one

pic #2 is the side view of the same unit

pic #3 is the mixing / filtering unit

pic #4 is the heating unit



thank you



cj hall

 

[KBennett]

CJ, that looks really Professional.

Are the silicon band heaters efficient? Would immersion heaters would be better?

 

[cj hall]

heaters

Hello Kbennett



Not sure about efficient, but they work great. also the price is right.



Here is a pic of the two units together.



thanks for looking

cj hall

 

[Msilbernagel]

wow... :--)



nice work! :-laf



your profit margins aren't as high as those other guys, are they?



mark

 

[SFPADGETT]

What are you asking for the two units?

 

[cj hall]

cost

Hello all



If you want to talk about the unit you can email me at

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Hello sfpadgett

I sent you a pm today, thank you



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel

Hello All

This weekend the weather got a little cold temps went to 36 degs and its raining and could snow.



I did some work on my truck put in two gauges Fuel Pressure / Fuel Temp of fuel is also EGT and Boost

The gauges are SPA and they are really nice but a little hard to set up.

the fuel pressure on the gauge is not working but I will be calling on this today to get it fixed the temp is working this is about 6 inches from the IP inlet so I can see if the fuel is to hot this am the fuel was at 39 degs at start up it got to 75 degs buy the time I got to work 12 miles away the EGT and the Boost are working great temps are around 300 to 700 degs and the boost is 0 to 14 lbs have not run it down the highway or put it under a load.

The heated fuel pump is working great as you can see on sunday I drove it a little the fuel temp got to 93 degs but the roads were dry and the temp as around 65 degs.



Will be posting more info as I get it looking foward to winter it's coming so I/We need to be ready.



cj hall



Called SPA sending new gauge today 10:00 10/09/06

 

[cj hall]

downloader fun

Hello All



I will be trying the new Smarty Downloader this next week will be loading in on this afternoon, a big thanks to Bob Wagner at Wagner and Assoc for letting me try this out.

I am sure it will perform great...



The temps are running about 30 degs in the Am and up to 45 in the Pm no problems yet the fuel temp runs from 40 to 105 degs Am is the worst time for cold fuel The psi on the fuel line at the IP pump runs about 13 lbs but when its cold it has ran at -4 to -10 psi this is strange but the truck is not running out of power I think its a cold flow issue. I have a feeling that transfur flow will be getting a phone call the first part of next week and articfox heaters will be getting a call later that day. There goes another grand or so but it will pay for itself right.



The 04 is running great and the 05 is running great, also its only running at 50 % blend fuel I have hard starting issues with this truck with the blend fuel at over 75% even when pluged in will be trying IPA instead of kero as soon as I find a place to buy it. I found one place but they want 11. 00 bucks a gallon but if I buy 1000 lbs it goes for a lot less that only 4 / 55 gallon drums but then I need a haz-mat rating to haul it home. not sure i need that much IPA



WILL BE POSTING ALL WEEKEND



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

downloader

Hello All

The smarty is a great product.

Have only had time to try out a few of the programs.

Started at sw#3 this setting ran very good the bottem end power is a lot better then I was used to egt temp was the same as with the box I had on before this test. also no smoke.

next sw#5 the bottem end is strong and the truck is liking this egt temp is 100 degs hotter than what i have seen flashing lights on the egt and boost gauge set at 1001 degs and 25psi this is just to help me mind my right foot. again no smoke.



Next was sw#7 WOW thats cool no turbo lag brakes won't hold the engine back and it will spin the tires (remember I have 285/70/19. 5'S) it takes a lot to spin them on dry roads. egt temps up around 200 degs higher and boost psi at 28 psi that where I stoped it was not ready to stop. also no smoke



Trying out the sw#4 in the am also checked the tire size on the downloader it was off buy 1. 50 inches so things will be better on sunday.

Fast idle is working just like my wifes 05,the stock software could never be made to work



Will be trying all the programs in the next few days, and will get some info on all of them and post it . will be running it in the stock mode to get some base line reading's then running the smarty programs.



The Smarty Unit is very easy to read and understand .



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

smarty

Hello All



I have been running the #4 program its the one I like the best so far for running around town good power, no lag in bottom end have noticed that the egt's are 560 to 700 degs running in town down the highway they run at 650 to high 760, boost is running up to 17 psi.

weather is in the low 30's and high in the low 40's fuel temp is 75 to 90 degs



Will be going to Bozemen this weekend for a biofuel workshop taking my new units with me this should be a good work out for the smarty program. thinking I need to buy one just for the fact that the fast idle works and it seem's to make the truck run way better.



If it warms up this week,want to try the Smarty on my wifes truck on #9 just to see it smoke the back tires really good.



Someday I will grow up (not)



Thank's for reading



cj hall

 

[CPG]

This is what an example of American ingenuity is. Great !

 

[cj hall]

news on fuel

Hello All

I have been running a different additive in the fuel for two months now.

the DSE additive is the one I have done away with.

The cost of the DSE is 12. 99 plus shipping so the cost of this is . 59 cents per oz that is 75. 52 per gallon .



The additive that I have and is a copy of the DSE additive. can be made very easy there is nothing in the DSE that any of you can't get from a bulk oil supply house.



My cost is about 7. 00 per gallon that is about 5 cents per oz this is a good cost savings on the fuel some people say that this stuff is not needed in the oil I think it is needed I have made it without and I fell that it does help the oil.



The truck's are running great the 04 with the heated fuel fass system is running the blend fuel at 100 % the temps are running in the low 30's at night and in to the 50's in the day time . temps of the fuel are running from 45 degs to 95 degs around town to 75 to 128 degs down the highway this heater fuel seem to make the truck run better. the fuel pressure is running from 12 psi to 19 psi and the egt is 350 to 700 around town and 450 to 1100 running down the highway. boost psi is from 0 to 15 psi in town to 5 to 18 down the highway. the next thing is to put a fuel pressure gauge on at the pump to get a reading to see if the filter is plugging this will be addated as soon as i get a transfur flow tank with a heater in it . I wanted to do this before the end of the month but thats not going to happen, hope to get it done by the end of Nov.



The 05 is running at 50 /50 mix and is running good at this mix

next year it will be getting all the same as the 04 is getting as far as fuel systems ,dont think I will put all the gauges on it that mine will have on it but it will have the egt/boost the rest is just over kill on this truck.



Thanks for reading this



cj hall

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[cj hall]

update on fuel / smarty fun

Hello All

The trucks are running great the 05 has the fuel in it at 50 % and thats about all it will take at this time I will be changing it over to a new blend as soon as I get my IPA (thanks Mark for the info) in mid Nov with shipping only 4. 75 per gallon.

The 04 is running great at 100% fuel and with the temps in the mid teens it running great the fass fuel heated filtering system is the best thing for the cold weather I did change the mix a little added one more gallon of RUG to the mix so it 2. 5 gallons per 30 gallons of oil this has helped a lot with the flow of the fuel in the winter time. The heated tank is going to happen this year I just need to get the best price I can on one. if any one can help me find a transfur flow at a good price that would be great.



The smarty unit is a great product its very easy to use and it make's the truck's run great there a little honda rice burner running around town that will tell you all about it if he has the gutts to. whiped him once stoplight to stoplight and he tryed to get me again for 10 blocks then he turned off. funny thing is I was not trying to race him. getting whiped buy a 8000 lb diesel DRW running veg oil thats got to hurt.



thank for reading



cj hall

 

[roverhybrids]

cj,

when you go looking for a VO tank be sure it is Aluminum or Stainless Steel. Some if not all the transferflow tanks are galvanized steel and this will react with the VO.

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

CJ, how much IPA (Isopropyl alcohol) do you think you'll blend in? How about still using RUG, kero and adding IPA to the mix as well? I would think you wouldn't want to use too much, being it's an alcohol, although I'm guessing some alcohols are worse than others.



I am thinking about trying the mix posted by Msilbernagel a couple pages ago, but I just quit running WVO completely after reading about walexa07's bad oil analysis report. I sent in a sample and will wait until I get my oil analysis results back.



Anyway Msilbernagel's post:

I ran across an alternative idea for blending, from a Hans Schur. First saw it mentioned in the VegOil forums, followed up on the threads mentioning it that I could find using Google, and even found the international patent he has on it (WO 92/20761 - how is your German?!).



Basically, it's 80%WVO, 14%RUG, 6%IPA (IsoPropyl Alcohol)...



He has done extensive testing with a lot of vehicles (in Europe) - mostly indirect injection, but they've put a lot of mileage on the formula and then torn down the engines with excellent results.

CJ can you comment on what engine oil you use, how often you change, and what kind of oil analysis results you have gotten?



Before concluding this post I want to note that on my '98 which I run the not-so-great Bosch 300 injectors I notice less smoke (especially blue) running straight diesel. I wasn't getting much smoke running up to 25-30% WVO, could mostly see it in headlights, but if I poke around town awhile, or let it idle awhile, then hit the throttle . . . it would kick out a decent puff taking off. On straight diesel it's not doing that nearly as much, and I can get on the throttle pretty hard before it makes enough smoke to see, but I'm not running any other mods so it's not like I have much power (maybe 220 to the wheels).



I'm thinking my mix is too viscous, and the 300 injectors which have only 4 holes and don't spray at the right angle, aren't atomizing the WVO mix well enough.



Vaughn

 

[cj hall]

ipa / oil / info

hello Vaughn and Others



the amount of IPA will be in line with what mark is running I think he is running 80 Vegoil 15 RUG 5 IPA.

the kero will be droped at first the I might just try it with some.



MY OIL IS 15/40 QSTATE oil is changed at 3000 miles and at the dealer where I bought the truck the longest I ran the oil has been 4350 miles I just didnt get it in when it needed a change. this is the report on that oil





the oil had this for wear metals in it (ppm)

aluminum / al-0

boron / b-6

chromium / cr-1

copper / cu-3

iron / fe-17

lead / pb-5

magnesium / mg-13

molybdenum / mo-8

potassium / k-9

silicon / si-2

silver / ag-1

sodium / na-7

tin / sn-0

zink / zn-1191



oil condition /partical count (ct/ml)



soot / st-13

oxidation / oxi-25

nitration / nit-0

sulfation / sul-18

water / w-n

antifreeze / a-n

fuel / f-n

viscosity @100 / cv100-15. 0



no action required

wear metals and other tests appear normal

suggest resmmple next interval



sos services lab h330-36198-8047



this was the first oil analysis that was done on this engine the next one will be in 1400 miles and then this will be done on every other oil change there after.



I think most of the problems that people are getting with there engines running veg oil as a fuel is caused buy bad filtering of the oil trying to do it as fast as they can trying to save money buy not investing the money in filters that will work I have talked to many veg oil users that filter there oil with 501 blue jeans pant legs. I for one think this is not good . The oil I get and use comes from many places. I let the oil sit in a 250 gallon tank for up to two weeks before is even think about making fuel with it,then it gets pumped to a heating unit thru a filter that has a 200 micron filter and heated for 12 to 24 hrs at 250 degs then it gets transfered to a mixing unit that goes thru a filter that has a 5 micron filter in it this is the point where you add the rug/kero/ipa/powerservice /and additive either the dse stuff or the stuff I make then it starts the filtering and mixxing of the fuel I mix and filter the fuel for 12 to 24 hrs this gives me the best looking fuel I have mixed and filtered it less to try it and it workes just fine but I think the longer you filter the fuel the better off it is.



diesel fuel that you buy at the pump is filtered to 30 micron from the refinery the pump filter to 10 micron its a nominal filter that means it gets 50% of all particles down to 10 micron in a single pass thru the filter AND THATS ALL YOU GET IS ONE PASS . this is why I filter for hrs and not just minites.

also I think that heating of the fuel is right thing for vegoil and keeping the engine and fuel warm at all times is important for starting this helps in the hard starting that comes with using vegoil as a fuel, the two tank system takes care of this problem but with a few mods this can be overcome on a single tank system.



performance of the engine will be down a little but with the heating of the oil to 60 to 80 degrees the performance comes back, the hoter the oil gets the better the engine runs and yes there is a point that heating the fuel to hot is not good for the IP Pump. I have not had any problems with this yet but will be trying to find some one who has and then use that info as a guide. I feel that if the injector is trying to put a mass amount of fuel in the eengine and its not spraying riight then the washing of the walls will happen the fuel in the oil will cause big problems if this happens then the wear on the engine will be a lot.



the smarty downloader is a great unit the truck has never ran so good this is going to help with the performance of my trucks running vegoil.



the last few things that my truck will be getting is a heated tank for the fuel

with temp sensor,rail pressure / trans and rear temp /pressure and temp at the fuel pump. spa gauges have been working great easy to read and a great way of making sure things are running good







thanks for reading

cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel

hello all

i just thought i would post

the engine is running great no problems with the weather low in the teens highs in the low 30's no filter plugging and the 2004 is running just fine the 05 running 50/50 mix is also running just fine too.



i have seen that the price of diesel is going back up went up 10 cents per just a little after 8pm on tuesday night kinda makes one wonder and then it did go up another 6 cents the next day so 16 cents from tuesday. what happend on tuesday that made the price go up?????? price on tuesdsy was 2. 499 then 2. 599 now it's 2. 659 hold on boys this is going to get bumpy.



i had a cat tech tell me today that heating diesel fuel ot to 85 degs will provide more power but heating it past that you will lose power at the rate of 1% per 10 degree's above that temp.



He was not sure about veg oil I would think that would not be the same, does any one have any info on that?



thank for reading

cj hall

 

[tgordon]

have never seen anything about the power loss, but would guess that it depends on several factors. EX. viscosity, flash point, injectors.

 

[cj hall]

power loss

hello all

Yes think there was some power loss before I heated the oil also on the 04 the engine is stock the only thing that is different is the smarty downloader as of a month ago I have been thinking of some dyno runs but I not sure it will tell that much. My feelings on bigger injectors is more fuel will be better for power but to much fuel then it might get in to the engine oil and the problems would outway the better power,will be looking at the oil very hard on the next go around for any vegoil in the engine oil also will be getting a rail pressure gauge to see if something is out of line there.



The fuel is a little hard to judge some times, as in some of the oil is canola/some is soy when you get canola you can tell its got more power but getting it is hard then I mix it all together when I make fuel so but can tell when there is more soy than canola.



the viscosity and flash point and cetane are the big one's for the fuel if the oil is heated to 160 degs the viscosity is about the same as #2

the flash point as far as i can tell has never been tested as of yet and the cetane is around 50 for new oil and thats on canola but i think that can be made better with cetane boost not sure of used oil of the cetane numbers



thanks for reading

cj hall