dse in truck 04-05 CTD

[cj hall]

hello to all



Methanol, also known as methyl alcohol, carbinol, wood alcohol, wood naphtha or wood spirits, is a chemical compound with chemical formula CH3OH (often abbreviated MeOH). It is the simplest alcohol, and is a light, volatile, colourless, flammable, toxic liquid with a distinctive odor that is very similar but slightly sweeter than ethanol (drinking alcohol) At room temperature it is a polar liquid and is used as an antifreeze, solvent, fuel, and as a denaturant for ethanol.



One of the drawbacks of methanol as a fuel is its corrosivity to some metals, including aluminum. Methanol, although a weak acid, attacks the oxide coating that normally protects the aluminium from corrosion:



When produced from wood or other organic materials, the resulting organic methanol (bioalcohol) has been suggested as renewable alternative to petroleum-based hydrocarbons. Low levels of methanol can be used in existing vehicles, with the use of proper cosolvents and corrosion inhibitors. The European Fuel Quality Directive allows up to 3% methanol with an equal amount of cosolvent to be blending in gasoline sold in Europe. Today, China uses more than one billion gallons of methanol per year as a transportation fuel in both low level blends used in existing vehicles, and as high level blends in vehicles designed to accommodate the use of methanol fuels.





IPA is your better choice if you can find it it must be 99. 9 % pure this is hard to find



there is a process called the schur eco fuel and their was a person making it using it on tdr his name is MSilbernagel I have not talked to him in some time about it he was using it in a cummins and in a jeep crd with no issues

here is the link to the post

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/alternative-fuels/164330-schur-ecofuel.html



With the cost of IPA High and the cost of Methanol High,this might not be the best time to start changing something that works I have always thought that there might be something better then gasoline to thin the vegetable oil but the cost factor plays a big roll in the fuel. most solvents any of the will work the cost runs from 6 to 32 per gallon. gasoline have never been that high (not saying it wont be someday)



Hope this Helps

cj hall

 

[REckard]

Thanks CJ. You are a wealth of info and I appreciate your willingness to keep helping us with this topic. This thread has been going a long time.



I was only thinking of using the blend rather than the brewing because I really don't like dealing with the biproducts.



I know methanol is expensive but I have about 40 gal left from bodiesel brewing. I think I may try a small percent of methanol(2-3%) then 15%rug and the rest filtered/dried wvo and see what happens.



Thanks again,

Randy

 

[cj hall]

Hi Randy



The person that I was talking about has started using ethanol because of the price of ipa this was last year and I have been talking to him today on facebook.



I will keep you posted on this as i get the info



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

ipa

Hello to All



The person that was using IPA only uses it when the temp is cold most of the time he is making it with E-85 its cheaper and works just as will.



I have been working on the totes and getting some oil centrifuged. I will be hooking up the third tote this week I have all the the trucks full, transfur tank full and the units full of fuel the two totes 275 each are full and I have 5totes full of uncleaned oil and about 75 plastic buckets with oil in them.



The trucks are running just great



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

hello to all



just posting so others can read this long blog about vegetable oil as a fuel



all the trucks are running great and things are good

will be working on the oil sunday and picking up more also



thanks again for reading



cj hall

 

[KLauber]

Hey CJ,



Using about 10 gals of peanut oil and 40 gals of canola oil per batch. Its heated to about 160F for a day, then filterd through a 100 micron bag for 12 hrs, then for 12 hrs through a 10 micron bag, then for several hours through a water block filter. Then we blend and put into our trucks. The FASS filter on the truck is a 3 micron filter. We get about 3 MPG less vs striaght diesel, but the cost differential takes care of that!



Ken & Will

 

[cj hall]

oil and other stuff

hello to all



Here are three pictures of the oil coming out of the totes thru the pumps and then in to the mixing units the oil here is about 6 months old I centrifuged it in Oct of 2007 and let it sit all winter.



now this oil is in my truck as fuel.



This oil was off the bottom of the tote and there is no sign of any water or any thing in the oil very clear and good looking oil for used.



the next two totes will be hooked up soon so i will have 1000 gallons of oil ready for fuel at any time.



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

fuel and news

Hello to all



I have been working on a new batch of centrifuges, in the works are three housings along with a complete unit that is sold one housing is for that unit and one will be mine for my high speed test unit this one will be able to spin to over 10,000 rpms but I will only be taking ot to 6000 to 7500 rpm with oil for testing.



also I have taken a job at the machine shop that makes these units for me and yes this means I will be making these for my self.

The owner asked me to come to work for them after his last machinest got hurt on the job. This really made my day when he asked me to help him out of the jam he was in, but it got worse two days after I went to work his partner in the shop was killed in a late night one truck roll over this put him back in the office , trying to work thru all the stuff to keep the shop running.

he gave me a key to the shop today and told me I need to bring in my tools. looks like I might be there for some time. he runs vegetable oil for fuel



We sent the steel to the waterjet people on thursday and should have them on tuesday of next week.



I will try to post but it might be longer between posts



the trucks are running great.



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[cj hall]

centrifuge parts /fuel price

Hello to All



I got the parts this week for the three new housings the heating units for the oil are getting welded this weekend the inner walls for the housings are machined and I will be working on the bottom machine work on monday these have about 3 hrs of machine work done to them but it might be less because of a few changes we made to the housing,time will tell.

The outer wall with the O-ring will need to be cut and machined also we had the mounting holes for the motor and the motor shaft water jet cut so thats all done .



I found a person with a 6. 0 ford that is trying the fuel this week he wanted to give this fuel a try this is the first time any one with a 6. 0 ford was willing to its been 3 days not a word from him yet all must be good.



The dodges are running great and things are going good here



The price of reg gas is 2. 39 to 2. 45 dependes on the store but the price of diesel is lower first time in 5 years running from 2. 25 to 2. 31 the low suphlur Gas law changed this back the way it should be. CENEX is driving the price up here they change the price one day then the rest go up the next day there is no reason for this to happen but it is a holiday week end.





Have a great Memorial Day

(Remember those who gave us our freedom)



thanks for reading



cj hall

Craig Hall

 

[ZBrooks]

I found a person with a 6. 0 ford that is trying the fuel this week he wanted to give this fuel a try this is the first time any one with a 6. 0 ford was willing to its been 3 days not a word from him yet all must be good.

The 6. 0 demands good fuel. Solvent thinning of vegetable oil is not good fuel. He'll find that out all too soon.

 

[KLauber]

Its pretty good stuff

The 6. 0 demands good fuel. Solvent thinning of vegetable oil is not good fuel. He'll find that out all too soon.

Its really good fuel. I stopped by Craig's refinery in Billings and inspected his setup. Pretty high tech and very thorough. I make my fuel in a somewhat similar fashion in SC. Haven't had any truck problems. If you are not making veggie fuel, you know not whereof you speak. You don't see us slamming your biodiesel setup do you? Please direct us to your 38 page thread (which forum) and almost 4 years of experience with weekly updates, photos, etc.



Ken



PS what do you do with the glycerin?

 

[ZBrooks]

Its really good fuel. I stopped by Craig's refinery in Billings and inspected his setup. Pretty high tech and very thorough. I make my fuel in a somewhat similar fashion in SC. Haven't had any truck problems. If you are not making veggie fuel, you know not whereof you speak. You don't see us slamming your biodiesel setup do you? Please direct us to your 38 page thread (which forum) and almost 4 years of experience with weekly updates, photos, etc.



Ken



PS what do you do with the glycerin?

Sensitive are we? I'm not slamming anyone's setup. I don't need a 38 page thread to validate myself and the use of biodiesel. If you need a little biodiesel education, feel free to jump over to Forums - Powered by Eve For Enterprise. There's a really good thread on DSE there, as well. I responded because there doesn't seem to be a voice against the use of DSE in this thread. If there is, I have missed it. Just because you're truck will 'run' on something, doesn't mean it is good for it.



I challenge you and you're 'really good fuel'. Run a tank or two of biodiesel or a blend of biodiesel and ulsd and see how far you make it down the road before your filter is plugged to all hell.



As for the glycerin... I use the glycerin from the last batch to pretreat the next batch. I am then saving the glycerin and learning how to turn it into liquid soap and glycerin logs for burning.

 

[KLauber]

Oh you do need to validate Grasshopper!

Sensitive are we? I'm not slamming anyone's setup. I don't need a 38 page thread to validate myself and the use of biodiesel. If you need a little biodiesel education, feel free to jump over to Forums - Powered by Eve For Enterprise. There's a really good thread on DSE there, as well. I responded because there doesn't seem to be a voice against the use of DSE in this thread. If there is, I have missed it. Just because you're truck will 'run' on something, doesn't mean it is good for it.



I challenge you and you're 'really good fuel'. Run a tank or two of biodiesel or a blend of biodiesel and ulsd and see how far you make it down the road before your filter is plugged to all hell.



As for the glycerin... I use the glycerin from the last batch to pretreat the next batch. I am then saving the glycerin and learning how to turn it into liquid soap and glycerin logs for burning.

Put your 4 years bio diesel experience up on this forum for all to see and study. I read through the infopop forums for about 2 months before I took the DSE plunge and decided it was peopled by morons who spent their time insulting others. Found this thread on TDR and boy has it paid dividends! Why would I run biodiesel (either homemade or store bought) if I can make my own fuel with no waste by products (glycerin). The still bottoms (french fry crumbs and other bits that end up at the bottom of the collection buckets) we just pour back in the grease bin every 2 weeks. Half a bucket of crispins for every 80 gallons of raw oil.



Our filters don't plug all to hell because our oil source is so incredibly pure already it almost could be poured straight in. Peanut oil from one restaurant and canola oil from another. Neither one fries frozen food or grills meat. No hydrogenated oils allowed.



Not sure what you mean by 'challenge'. Is their money involved? Whats the game? More info requested either here or by PM. By the way if you take the time to read this entire thread (which I did last year) you will find that we don't use DSE anymore. We make our own equivalent and have through long experience made better product. As a result this thread entirely repudiates DSE and every thing that company stands for. As a matter of fact if you start at the beginning of this thread 10-31-2005, you will see the evolution of the product and probably by the end will want to throw the appleseed away and join the blending crowd. Or not. Post pictures and schematics of your oil refinery so we can learn. Mine is so simple its sick, but I make veggie fuel just for myself, my son and one other friend.



Cheers,

Ken

 

[cj hall]

blending or cracking its all fuel.

Hello Ken



the biodiesel people will never have any thing good to tell you about blending of any type of oil vegetable,mineral nothing makes them happy and you will be able to reason with them.



they will tell you that plugging filters and gummimg up the fuel system is the start and the end will be the total meltdown of the engine.



thats fine its just an opinion , and we all have one !!!!! note, this is mine.



I have met some hard core biodiesel people in montana they have showed me the fuel they make taking me thru the process and then running it in the engine. it works just like the rest of the fuel out there. One group here in MT are the ones I really like, showing be biodiesel in beer bottles and mixing it up in a bathtub. they are doing the best they can with the money they have.

at the last show they told me that the truck (ford) will start up just fine on the biodiesel but it so loose that it burns a quart of engine oil every 100 miles so its self blending with biodiesel. i asked them to start it and they did ,poped the hood took a old screwdriver and shorted across the starter solenoid and it did start sounded bad needs more work then the truck is worth but it does work and smoked so bad it would be outlawed in most states.



so if i was just an normal person i woud think that the biodiesel did that to the engine but its the fuel its the fact it had over 400,000 miles on it and it was worn out.



the blending of vegetable oil for fuel works if it did not i would not do it .



I have nothing against biodiesel it works just fine i have nothing against diesel fuel or a blend of the two b1 to b99 its all good what i dont like is some one that tells me it wont work or telling me that it will do some thing to the engine when they have little or no idea of what they are talking about.



sooooo zbrooks



are you willing to try a few tanks of vegetable oil fuel in your truck or are you just another loud talker with no guts??????



thats the challenge is it not ???





thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[ZBrooks]

Well, through a couple provocative posts, I got the answers I was looking for without reading this entire thread.

First, I am glad that DSE isn't the gospel. I've seen enough people duped by that snake oil. That's the main reason why I responed to this thread, hence my 'solvent thinning' comment. Second, I have nothing against SVO/blenders. I prefer biodiesel and don't see the glycerin as waste when there are many uses for it.

Also, I don't use an appleseed as I don't have the time for it, but I do have a BioPro 190. Not much can touch the automation/time saving qualities of this machine. It's not perfect or dummy proof, but it works really well.

 

[KLauber]

Well, through a couple provocative posts, I got the answers I was looking for without reading this entire thread.



First, I am glad that DSE isn't the gospel. I've seen enough people duped by that snake oil. That's the main reason why I responed to this thread, hence my 'solvent thinning' comment. Second, I have nothing against SVO/blenders. I prefer biodiesel and don't see the glycerin as waste when there are many uses for it.



Also, I don't use an appleseed as I don't have the time for it, but I do have a BioPro 190. Not much can touch the automation/time saving qualities of this machine. It's not perfect or dummy proof, but it works really well.

No need to be provocative, just ask! That's we are TDR! Those automated machines look cool, just cost more $ than I was willing to part with. Either way (bio or blend) we beat the oil companies and do a good thing for the planet. its nice having a big diesel truck that is green as a Prius, eh?



Ken

 

[cj hall]

centrifuge and oil

hello to all



things here are going great.



working at the machine shop leaves me little time to post about anything new

but i will post just takes me some time



I will be working a a new stlye of centrifuge base this one will have 6 units on it run with one motor running a 3 phase motor inverter rated this will be able to run high speeds and process more oil at once.



the three units i am building now are about done and i should have them to the powercoaters by friday



the truck are all running great

we have 3 Dodges 6 Fords and 2 vw's running on this at this time looking for a GM product to try but not having any luck finding one,with the price of red dye fuel under 2. 00 the farmes are just stocking up with it the price is going up so this will change later this summer.



Will be posting as soon as the centrifuges are out of powercoat



thanks for reading



cj hall

 

[bigrick53]

hi this is Big Rick 53 I have a 01 that has ran cj halls fuel for 3 years it has run very good all year round for near 30000 mi have had 1gell up my fault forgot to plug in at night in winter my bad . The truck runs quiter by a very notisable amount. I get around 16. 7 around town and pulling a car traler &a car on hiway a lot better on hiway no traler

 

[NAnhel]

I have read in CJs posts that the 05 Dodge did not run well on veg oil due to the three stage injection sequence. Is the 05 the only year model that does this or does it also happen on all newer trucks. Does anyone have an 06 on this fuel and if so how does it perform. I am running this fuel in a 96 12 valve and in a 98 24 valve. Both run good on it.

 

[KLauber]

I have read in CJs posts that the 05 Dodge did not run well on veg oil due to the three stage injection sequence. Is the 05 the only year model that does this or does it also happen on all newer trucks. Does anyone have an 06 on this fuel and if so how does it perform. I am running this fuel in a 96 12 valve and in a 98 24 valve. Both run good on it.

Check with CCain, he's running WVO or bio in a 2007 or 2008. I think.



Ken