Edge or Banks or????

[Motobeagle]

I tried doing a search but got very little for a comparison.



I have an 03 that I would like to "mildly" tune. I bought the Edge system with the juice module but have been apprehensive about installing it. I also recently read that the Banks system is better for trans monitoring.



I'm currently running a stock motor with a K&N cold air induction upgrade, and I plan on installing a 4in dual exhaust (which will be a whole another thread).



If I can get a 30-40 safe HP gain I'd be happy.



Thanks.

 

[SRadke]

The edge EZ is the best option for a mild tune. It's good for about 70hp max. Banks does have trans monitoring but if you're not looking for more power than an EZ will give you you shouldn't have to worry about it. The Juice is Edge's new duration box that has potential to be a very agressive box... . time will tell.



-Scott

 

[Motofreak]

Whats up Scott?

I've had both, for the hp your wanting Edge is a better bang for your buck. Both are good quality.

 

[SRadke]

Whats up Scott?

I'm hanging in there. Thinking about selling my sand machine... . don't seem to get down there anymore



-Scott

 

[Tomeygun]

I tried doing a search but got very little for a comparison.

I have an 03 that I would like to "mildly" tune. I bought the Edge system with the juice module but have been apprehensive about installing it. I also recently read that the Banks system is better for trans monitoring.

I'm currently running a stock motor with a K&N cold air induction upgrade, and I plan on installing a 4in dual exhaust (which will be a whole another thread).

If I can get a 30-40 safe HP gain I'd be happy.



Thanks.

I agree with Sradke, The EZ is the quick,cheap, and most simplest way to get the 30-40hp you want... And then you keep it when you get the Duration box (you know you will, cause you will have been bitten by the BOMB bug)

Then stack away!

 

[Motofreak]

No

I'm hanging in there. Thinking about selling my sand machine... . don't seem to get down there anymore



-Scott

Say it isnt so. Camped down at Horsfall 2 weeks ago was 70 degrees on the saturday, unreal. Thats too bad if you get rid of it but I know what you mean.

 

[Cattletrkr]

PART ONE:

I have an 03... I bought the Edge system with the juice module





PART TWO: If I can get a 30-40 safe HP gain I'd be happy.



Thanks.

1. When did Edge come out with a JUICE for the 555's??

2. yeah right... :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Motobeagle]

Thanks for the reponses.



As far as the "juice," all I can tell you is what the box states but after hearing about harder shifts and possible fuel delivery problems, I held out on installing anything.



I'll give the basic box a shot this weekend. Looking forward to this, since I've never got 50+ HP from anything plug in. Oo.

 

[DLeno]

just my perspective here, but I think that if you are truly committed to a bone stock transmission, AND you want to push the limits of the transmission, take another look at Banks. The Banks system is very sophisticated, able to detect and defuel when drivetrain slip occurs. It will also soften the TCC lockup event itself. its a reasonable approach to the use of additional power when you are committed to the stock transmission AND committed to more than 70 horsepower or so.



But you might not want that much sophistication and electronics governing the performance of your truck. if you prefer the simple approach then stay at 70 horsepower or so with the 48RE if you are concerned about long term durabilty. Then when/if you are ready to put more power to the ground, do the upgrades and bombs away, including fuel delivery, transmission, and turbocharger.



btw, you can always use the Juice on lower power settings.

 

[Matt400]

I have an 03 that I would like to "mildly" tune.

If I can get a 30-40 safe HP gain I'd be happy.

How about using a product that was in development long before the CR engine was available in the US?

A proven product that gets little respect IMO because its not the BIG power box but one that great for towing by adding the meat of its gain in the lower RPM's for 65hp and 200tq, 3 position switch adjustable on the fly, no check engine lamps you can read the pdf document here

 

[JStieger]

How about using a product that was in development long before the CR engine was available in the US?

A proven product that gets little respect IMO because its not the BIG power box but one that great for towing by adding the meat of its gain in the lower RPM's for 65hp and 200tq, 3 position switch adjustable on the fly, no check engine lamps you can read the pdf document here

Matt400-



Your post basically sums up why I ordered the VA C3. 1 yesterday to try to stack with my Bully Dog Power Pup! We'll see how it goes when I get it next week or so.



I got a new HTB2 turbo yesterday that I'll install next week too. At the very least the VA will supply the boost fooling to take advantage of the new turbo. At the most the VA will complement the high end as well as the everything-in-moderation (timing, duration, and pressure) features of the Power Pup. At least that's what I concluded from reading all the various Power Pup and DLeno fueling box summary posts.



Clutch will be next on the list, but I am not worried yet as I don't do stop light racing, burnouts or ultra heavy towing!



Famous last words.

 

[Gypsyman]

I have to agree with Matt on the VA box. Having driven both and swapped back and forth more than a few times for comparison I prefer the VA pressure box by far. Not as strong on the top but more refined. Much nicer driveability and the in cab controls are really nice to have. To each his own...



Richard

 

[Vaughn MacKenzie]

I'm currently running a stock motor with a K&N cold air induction upgrade, and I plan on installing a 4in dual exhaust (which will be a whole another thread).

If I can get a 30-40 safe HP gain I'd be happy.

Hi Motobeagle, welcome to TDR

If you want to bomb safely you might want to reconsider using the K&N intake. If you want good filtering performance you'd be better off with a AFE Proguard 7 filter or a BHAF. The BHAF is a very large cylindrical paper filter available from NAPA or Fleetguard.



Vaughn

 

[Gypsyman]

Along those same lines, I'm running the stock drilled airbox and the only time it becomes a restriction is when the B1 starts singing in the 40 to 50 lbs of boost range. I'm not knocking the AFE as that's what will be feeding my new twins but for the mildly bombed trucks I just haven't seen any advantage to the oiled filters (yes, I did test them side by side so save the flames). Until your heavily bombed I don't see these trucks moving that much air.



YMMV



Richard

 

[Motobeagle]

Vaughn your inbox is full. Thanks for the heads up on the K&N. Since it's my primary vehicle I will research the proper "system" before I just throw something on.



It would seem that 50hp gain will be a great place to start but I'm sure I'll want more later. Happy New Year guys. J

 

[Matt400]

I ordered the VA C3. 1 yesterday to try to stack with my Bully Dog Power Pup!

I read the whole thing on the Bully Dog Power Pup on their site but didn't get the info I was looking for.



Stock, Tow and Extreme up to 130 hp. So please give me the real stuff on this download. What exactly does it do? Pressure, timing, duration?? Or is all that stuff a secrete.



Just curious on how it may be compatible with the VA C3. 1

I do know for sure that I wouldn't want a mod that is "on" all the time. I like running around on stock and will flip to #2 to flex some muscle while towing. #3 gets used for a quick pass but never stays there.



My next mod will be a valve body and Torque Converter change to get more of what is already there down to the ground.

 

[JStieger]

Matt400-



From what I read on all the Power Pup posts was that the Tow setting was 50 HP and it involves timing to keep the EGT's down and perhaps a little duration. The performance setting @ 90 HP is supposed to involve more duration and adds fuel pressure to the mix; the timing may have been adjusted some more too. The extreme just adds more duration and fuel pressure (up to 50 HP worth from fuel pressure alone).



Notice how I'm a little vague with the words "may" and "perhaps"?! That's because that's all I was able to deduce from the posts from guys that have even corresponded with Bully Dog. You might want to do a search for the TDR member "muddymess". He has corresponded quite a bit with the Bully Dog folks since he's from around that area. In fact, most members are getting more info from him on this site than from Bully Dog. He's also dynoed his truck under the various settings, but I think he had his injectors and turbo upgraded prior.



Myself I just have the downloader until the VA 3. 1 arrives. I believe even with the Outlook you can only have one program loaded at a time. Then you can adjust the output of that program in 25% steps. I have no idea if each 25% step is a 25% adjustment across-the-board though in terms of the timing/duration/pressure. There was one post where a member had a certain program loaded then used the Outlook to say 25% output and the truck ran like crap - less power than stock - but that might have been an Outlook bug.



When I do run on performance or the extreme setting the truck does sound a bit noiser and better, like the older CTDs. So I think that's the timing part of the equation. Never even tried the tow setting though.



It's weird too that my downloader has a sticker saying "prototype model" on the back of it. Could be a good thing or a bad thing! However, it runs great for me and I haven't had any of the flat spots that others have reported. Normally, I just leave it on the performance setting because it's pretty smooth power delivery to me. The extreme has a really touchy throttle and is almost too much for me during everyday driving especially with traffic and/or wet roads. To me at the top end both the performance and extreme feel almost the same - the extreme pulls just a bit harder. With both, I drop my fuel pressure to the CP3 to 2. 5 psi at WOT - the extreme just gets to that fuel pressure a bit quicker. With both, running empty and WOT, I'll hit 1300 EGT around 90 mph. Never had high EGT running empty in the lower gears. Until I get my HtB2 installed I'll be limited by EGT.



The VA box is supposed to fatten the area under the HP and torque curves, especially at the lower end, so that might complement the high end feel of the Pup. If I had a dyno near me I would be very interested in running my truck on a dyno with each setting with and without the VA box - probably would cost me an arm and a leg though. I have no clue where the nearest dyno is anyway - I'm 3 hours from Salt Lake, 4 hours from Boise, and 4 hours from Reno.



If this didn't help you, it must have sure the heck confused you! I just got on a roll typing...

 

[Matt400]

Notice how I'm a little vague with the words "may" and "perhaps"?!

That would worry me, I would just want to know more about what is going on but then again I suppose the gauges and seat of pants tell a pretty good story.

The VA box is supposed to fatten the area under the HP and torque curves, especially at the lower end, so that might complement the high end feel of the Pup.

Possibly but remember all its doing is adding fuel pressure in that range. The 3. 1 hits harder in the lower RPM's where towing is done but then specifically dials out the pressure it had added as the RPM's AND speed increases. The 3. 1 does look at MPH for calculations to keep EGT's in check.



Where you will see a big difference is pulling a load or grade at say 1800 RPM doing maybe 50-60 MPH and then without any more throttle just turn the knob up and ... wow, feels like the old days when the secondaries opened up on the Quadrajet SS396!

If this didn't help you, it must have sure the heck confused you!

Kinda, I was just curious how they might react together. For me I don't feel comfortable messing with the ECM programming. Maybe later out of warranty. Have Fun and post back how it does.

 

[Gypsyman]

Talk about secondaries! Try flippin' the VA on while your foots planted and the TST's on 5x5. You can DEFINATELY tell that the VA is adding fuel! :-laf



Not that I would know anything about it though...





Richard

 

[Matt400]

Hey Richard...



So what gives? Why do you run the TST and the C3. 1 together?

I realize they both are adding HP but why not just turn up the TST and use one program vs 2 different ones? From what I hear the TST can be turned up enough to blow turbo's anyway.