Emissions Legal Programmers

[pcarlson]

Anyone running the legal programmers? If so which ones are you running.

 

[xcc_rider]

Been running a SmartyJr for about a year now and like the results. It has minimal adjustability but I'm not tuning a stock truck for max performance, just want good mileage. Egr unplugged so it can breathe and have clean oil plus an Edge CTS to watch things with.
Tow tune (70 hp), torque on stock and #3 timing. Have gotten above 20 mpg empty and a hair over 12 towing 7k climbing from1500 up to 9k feet in 390 miles.

It is a delete capable tuner and will shortly be used in that configuration for the same goals.

 

[pcarlson]

Thanks. I'm thing of leaving it stock with all the crap attached and looking to add a tow tune. Currently thinking of the Edge Evolution CS or CTS to accomplish this.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Legal Programmers ????

 

[Bob4x4]

Legal Programmers ????

I guess that means different things to different people........shades of grey

 

[BIGNASTY]

I guess that means different things to different people........shades of grey

Correct me if I'm wrong. As soon as Joe Blow adds anything to the electronics to make ANY!! kind of modification to the programing ITS ILLEGAL ?

 

[Jim W]

Correct me if I'm wrong. As soon as Joe Blow adds anything to the electronics to make ANY!! kind of modification to the programing ITS ILLEGAL ?

Do you mean voids the warranty? Or you are running the risk of failing the emission testing with your truck?

The newer version of the Smarty's programming are now emission legal in 49 states; your former stumping grounds has not approved it yet for use on trucks in Calf.

See link attached: http://www.madselectronics.com/DownloadS67.html

The owner operator must remember what tune he has installed before updating to the latest software other wise they may have issues with their truck.

I believe that Banks programmers are legal in all 50 states; they paid for the testing to allow the Banks Six Gun to be 50 state legal.

Now these programmers will not wok on all years of trucks since they lag behind in development and testing; so you need to research each tuners for your MY of truck.

Jim W.

 

[Jim W]

Correct me if I'm wrong. As soon as Joe Blow adds anything to the electronics to make ANY!! kind of modification to the programing ITS ILLEGAL ?

Do you mean voids the warranty? Or you are running the risk of failing the emission testing with your truck?

The newer version of the Smarty's programming are now emission legal in 49 states; your former stumping grounds has not approved it yet for use on trucks in Calf.

See link attached: http://www.madselectronics.com/DownloadS67.html

The owner operator must remember what tune he has installed before updating to the latest software other wise they may have issues with their truck.

I believe that Banks programmers are legal in all 50 states; they paid for the testing to allow the Banks Six Gun to be 50 state legal.

Now these programmers will not wok on all years of trucks since they lag behind in development and testing; so you need to research each tuners for your MY of truck.

Jim W.

 

[xcc_rider]

Well put.

I would add that you need to consider the quality of the tuning before you buy. Someone who's been in the tuning business for a long time would have the experience andknowledge to supply tunes that perform well. Whereas someone who's just started tuning your particular model vehicle may have more problems in doing so with possible adverse effects to your vehicle.

Also if you go with an Edge I would go the extra $$$ for the CTS. The larger display is a plus and if you check their site I believe you get the pyro for free for a few more days.

 

[pcarlson]

Well put.

I would add that you need to consider the quality of the tuning before you buy. Someone who's been in the tuning business for a long time would have the experience andknowledge to supply tunes that perform well. Whereas someone who's just started tuning your particular model vehicle may have more problems in doing so with possible adverse effects to your vehicle.

Also if you go with an Edge I would go the extra $$$ for the CTS. The larger display is a plus and if you check their site I believe you get the pyro for free for a few more days.

Good points. I have no plans on experimenting with tuners. I would stick with Edge or Smarty.

 

[pcarlson]

Legal Programmers ????

Yes, legal programmers.

I guess that means different things to different people........shades of grey

Gray not so much. It is either legal or it isn't, hence "Emissions Legal". Not concerned with warranty anymore.

Correct me if I'm wrong. As soon as Joe Blow adds anything to the electronics to make ANY!! kind of modification to the programing ITS ILLEGAL ?

Ok your corrected. Thread title said it all.

 

[Bob4x4]

eventually all 50 states will be the same and then the grey changes,how much real world testing has been done on the tuners effect on the aftertreatment hardware?

 

[xcc_rider]

I doubt there has been any testing on the exhaust component themselves.
Smarty has done some testing on PM production and it shows a significant reduction in PM with their tuning vs stock tuning. Documentation of the test results are on their site.
The only effect I can see from reduced PM production is reducing the frequency of active regens. That can't be a bad thing.

 

[pcarlson]

I doubt there has been any testing on the exhaust component themselves.
Smarty has done some testing on PM production and it shows a significant reduction in PM with their tuning vs stock tuning. Documentation of the test results are on their site.
The only effect I can see from reduced PM production is reducing the frequency of active regens. That can't be a bad thing.

I read that report and there appears to be reductions of all emissions across the board. But like you and Bob have stated there hasn't been much, if any, hardware testing that I can find on the web. Smarty was the only emissions report that I could find. Edge in one of their YouTube videos only mentions that there would be a reduction of PM in normal driving.

Maybe it is to early to be looking at one of these. I was thinking that as long as the sensors are working and the cleaning cycles (DOC, NOx, DPF) are working the hardware should last as long as it would if it were stock provided none let the DPF temps get to high.

 

[xcc_rider]

You're on the right track, monitoring the engine parameters is important especially when tuned. So adding gauges is a good idea.
I think theres very little concern as far as damaging the emissions components when "reasonably" tuned. The days of grossly over fueling street tunes are long gone. Instead of rolling coal with fuel tuners for the street market are now looking for power, combustion efficiency and fuel mileage.
I'm with you, alittle extra clean power shouldn't have any effect on a normally functioning emissions system.

Its your call though so...

 

[Bob V]

Check out EFI live.

 

[xcc_rider]

Anyone running the legal programmers? If so which ones are you running.

So based on the above request can we assume you're running EFI live with an emmissions legal tune and can offer real world insight into how it performs? If so then please share...

Or are you just blindly plugging a tuner and can give no real world insight on it as a user of an emission legal tuner?

Sorry if this sounds a bit sarcastic but posts that ignore the OP's request and only plug what they think may be popular is a pet peeve of mine.
Don't get me wrong, I think EFI (depending on who does the tuning) could be a viable tuning option but I have no experience running it with an emissions legal tune and as such cannot recommend it nor share any experiences in doing so.

 

[ToddGeisler]

I'm curious to know if the current programmers (Smarty?) are able to alter the programming to help the low end throttle response (factory power management) and eliminate the "dead pedal" conditions?

 

[Missouri Mule]

Reading the TDR magazine's Banks has all of it's (street use)certified by CARB. Unless EPA changed it's mind if a company's product is certified by CARB it is certified by the EPA

 

[RoosterXP]

Before i did my deletes i ran an Edge Evo HT 36030, this tuner did everything Edge said it would do and i had absolutely 0 problems with it. I was able to keep all the factory pollution stuff on it. I had more power, the Regens were about the same, and saw a very slight increase in fuel mileage. The edge evo HT does not have any gauges.

However, any time you change the fuel settings, timing, etc.. you DEFINITELY have to have gauges!!!