FASS Dyno Results

[Dkevdog]

Murle- Maybe... ... ... . But I want proof of this so called HP increase. I don't need an explaination on how the product works. You don't need an explaination on how the product works to understand HP claims.



Like I said, it would have been better to sell the product based on its reliability and function. If that were the case then this thread wouldn't even exist.



Kev

 

[Murle]

Yep, that is why I bought it... RELIBILITY.



Did not even know that I was going to get more power out of the truck. That was just the bonus I got.



I know I got more power now because, the cows in the trailer all turn their butts to the front of the tailer now. They can't keep their eyes open if they don't. By the time I get them home they are ready to kiss the ground Cause they aint' never road in anything that that before.....



No more droping speed going up the hills.

 

[Dkevdog]

:-laf That's pretty good. Like I said, I am very interested in the system from a reliability standpoint alone. I'd just like to see come concrete, indisputable numbers on this "bonus" power.

 

[Murle]

Well, I got about 11 cows in that last trailer load that could give some concrete, indisputable testimony. Is that enough Numbers?

 

[JTBMC]

I just pulled a trailer load of horses, all with their tails to the wind and with the EXTRA HP increase from the FASS unit on my truck and no speed decrease on the hills, we got home in record time. For the first time I didnt have to clean the horse manure out the trailer.

Heck, I guess the extra forceful wind blowing up their dresses from the added horse power they just couldnt dump their loads in the trailer and waited till we got home.

TJ

 

[Dkevdog]

Sounds like we'll be getting some numbers soon enough.

 

[TheWolf]

Murle, Do you understand the purpose of this thread?



It is NOT a reliability thread, It is a thread questioning HP claims!



We all hope that this is a great product and that it may solve the reliability problems of the VP and the one on the new hpcr if they turn out to be troublesome.





I do not think anyone here disputes that the system is not working for anyone the way they describe that it is working.



The ONLY thing these people are trying to get straight is whether or not the system produces the HP that these companies are claiming AND advertise it to produce.



The people on this board, as well as I, DO NOT LIKE FALSE ADVERTISING! ... ... . and this is all that this thread is trying to figure out(If I am wrong let me know. )... It would be like advertising a BIG MAC/WHOPPER or whatever is a healthy meal. IT does its job by providing food to the body, but it is not healthy... . These systems may provide fueling to the truck , but do they provide the HP that is advertised? (Am I trying to hard to get peolple to understand?)





I want to know also how many miles are on the FASS/Preporator systems that you all have on dodge cummins trucks, NOT big rigs and other things. I would like to have an idea if there are enough miles and # of trucks out there to also support how reliable the system is when compared to the stock system.

PLEASE list how many miles you have on the system and on which system.



Thanks

 

[Big P]

I'm wondering if a Fass would really affect hp on a bone stock truck. I know the whole entrained air/injection timing theory, but with the fairly low fueling demands of a stock system, will it really make a difference? It seems that the guy's claiming higher boost numbers and more power aren't stock. I guess I'll find out when mine goes on tomorrow.

 

[Murle]

TheWolf, Yes I know what this thread is about... ... . But it looks like some people are not hearing what we are saying.....



YES I HAVE GAINED HP... ... . I CAN TELL BY THE WAY THE TRUCK PULLS... .



I don't need a dyno to tell me that I have more HP when I can tell my truck pulls the trailer better and faster up the same hills. Also when I pull my trailer(loaded) I burn more fuel than before. My truck is no longer starving for fuel.

 

[WadePatton]

Murle IS a dyno.

 

[Murle]

I'd rather be a dyno than a WHINEO!!!:{

 

[WadePatton]

Them heifers recovered yet?



Well, if you haven't heard, Charles is donating some Preporators to be tested and I'll be a tester. So whatever benefits you've seen from the FASS, I should soon see for my-dang-self.

 

[Murle]

Wade, I guess you are a miracle worker..... I just don't see how you can see what benfits I'm seeing out of the FASS when you are going to test the Preporator, another product.



Maybe I'll go and test drive a Ford and then I'll know how a Chevy performs without driving a Chevy.

 

[WadePatton]

Sorta like throwing a Frisbee(tm)--and then a "flying disc"

Oh, yeah, they're TOTALLY different.



No, apparently you've never read anything about the Preporator. It is what the FASS is a copy of. Patent infringement lawsuits are active between those products-- must be something to the similarity. They are supposed to do the EXACT same thing with the fuel.



Charles believes (and can explain why fluently) that the FASS doesn't do it as well as the New (second gen) Preporator.



Now a FASS and a PE4200--that's two different things.

 

[Murle]

Hummmm. If "They are supposed to do the EXACT same thing with the fuel. "



Then how can???? "FASS doesn't do it as well as the New (second gen) Preporator.



Hummmm. I guess they don't do the EXACT same thing. Or they do the EXACT same thing.



Also I have read about the Preporator and when they said... . and I quote... ... The issues of the original Fuel Preporator manufactured between 2000 and September 2002 with pumps failing at 60,000 to 100,000 miles were mainly caused by unauthorized changes made to the pump by the then current manufacture. These changes were the elimination of several original features and some severe engineering mistakes. Placing a flat washer under a bearing and allowing the inner and outer race to rest on the same solid surface (OOPS) is not going to extend the life of the bearing. (Fuel Preporator International has sold hundreds of replacement pumps at cost to help the many owner/operators that were sold these defective pumps. )



Looks to me like that the Preporator was not paying attention to their pumps and then had the owner/operators pay for their mistakes.



If they sold defective pumps, Why have the owner/operators pay for them????



Don't want to business with the Preporator company.

 

[Dkevdog]

Murle, at the time these changes were made, and an inferior product was being sold, Charles was somewhat removed from the business and I believe was driving OTR. He is doing what he can now to save his name and patented products. The reason the FASS system is less expensive is because of the key (and expensive) parts that were removed to create a "modified" product.



Kev

 

[Murle]

Ok, If a key and expensive part has been removed then there is no Patent infringement



Non-infringement occurs when the non-patented article lacks one or more elements of the patent claims.



So the Fass does not do what the Preporator does. Then there is no Patent infringement.

 

[Dkevdog]

There are dozens of patents and there is infringement. But quite frankly, that's all between the courts, Brad and Charlie.

 

[LowFly]

FASS Fuel System

There are many reasons I have been staying out of this mud slinging contest for some time now. I have a great respect for our customers and do not wish to offend any of them by throwing mud myself, as I have plenty to throw, but there is a lot of miss information or assumptions going around.



The FASS unit removes air in a different manner than the Fuel Preporator, it is not infringing! Fuel Preporator International is trying to sue me in a county court, to sue someone for patent infringement you have to go to Federal Court. They have known about our product since March of 2002 and have not pursued Federal Court, you know why? Because, we do not infringe and we have legal papers saying so!! Charles doesn't tell you that there is also a counter law suit because he did not fulfill his fiduciary duties with the patent. Yes, Charles Ekstam's name is on the current patent known as the Fuel Preporator, but CIM-TEK Mfg. designed that unit with other people, including myself, making design enhancement for improvements. Yes, Diesel Products Inc. added a flat washer to give more support to the bottom bearing. Charles made a change to the pump design right before he sold the rights to Diesel Products, Inc (DPI). After DPI purchased the patent rights they also purchase some product with the new change. All, I mean ALL, of those pumps failed due to the lack of support for the bottom bearing. Diesel Products had to do something and a support washer help tremendously but did not cure it. Neither Charles or myself came up with the horizontal pump idea, the motor manufacture told Diesel Products this when they were trying to fix Charles's design problem. I told the courts that I used the Fuel Preporator drawings as a reference for o'ring cuts, ball cuts and pipe thread measurements only!!! Not for designing air removal. I had made some of these changes to the Fuel Preporator throughout the years from research I had performed. From approximately 1992 to 2002 I have spent a tremendous amount of my own money and time promoting the Fuel Preporator. And it discussed me when my dad and his new 4th wife tried taking my ownership rights away. The FASS unit is a different design!!!!!



I have had many calls describing the individuals that are discussed in the next paragraph. None of the character descriptions have been good, plenty of the TDR members even warned me to stay away from them. These guys have thrown me under the bus and I believe it is necessary to defend myself.





To our current customers and potential customers, thank you in advance. Our company will avoid selling any product to Wade Patton, Kev (Dkevdog) and Doug (Jetpilot) and we will not give them any free product, we do not want them as our customer!! Wade, Dkevdog and Jetpilot, please purchase the Fuel Preporator. you guys will make a great team. The first reason is, I believe these guys are out just for a free ride! The second reason is, these guys are Jerry Springer wanta be's. They like this confrontation, I was participating when it was a constructive debate. I will not lower myself AGAIN to their level, sorry for doing so this time. Thirdly, I think these guys are very arrogate to think that I have to participate in their dyno competition and give them a free unit to prove anything. The fourth reason is, these guys have listened to one side of the story and assumed that one side was telling the truth. That is stupid because there is always two sides to a story and I will not get on a public forum and discuss my personal and business affairs, any more than I just did, to defend myself, right or wrong I will not do that!! I think that is poor class. And for the fifth but not final reason because I have more, these guys have no respect for others. Does anyone think that if these guys were talking face to face with these TDR members they would be as rude and disrespectful as they are when they are behind the keyboard. I don't think so! It is kind of like when some people get behind the wheel they just turn into ______ (use your own word).



We are scheduling independent dyno's around the country. As these dyno's are performed they will then be placed into our website.



I will not answer any more of this mud slinging.



Again to our current or prospective customers, sorry for this and thank you for your business!!



Brad Ekstam

 

[WadePatton]

oooh, ouchie. Sorry, I'll take my freeloader elsewhere.