FASS Dyno Results

[Murle]

Ditto, Brad

 

[RustyJC]

Dang, this is better than a transmission or an Amsoil thread! Oo. Oo. Now, where did I put that popcorn??



Rusty

 

[JLEONARD]

I know I'm enjoying it!

Jay

 

[Jetpilot]

Brad,



First off let me say I do not want to purchase a FASS from you or anyone else. I am NOT a spokesman for the Preporator either so please do not drag me into your battle! What I offered to do was test one system to either prove or disprove the HP claim being made.



Personally I don't give a crap about you and your fathers lawsuits and problems, that is between you guys not me or anyone else. But, what does concern some of the TDR members are statements about products that are false. Hence my agreement to run an unbiased test. Notice that I did not contact you or anyone else to try and evaluate the FASS system... ... This is because I am not going to be drawn into your personal battle.



So here is the deal. If I can put together a fair and accurate test/evaluation of the HP claims of the Preporator I will do it and report the results completely and accurately. Whatever the unit does or does not do will be posted here along with the dyno sheets. No G-Tech or seat-of-the-pants here, I will use a known constant which is a Dynojet 248c.



Doug

 

[Big P]

This statement is NOT aimed at anyone! If you want to do a fair test you need only one truck a Fass and a Preporator. Dyno stock, install the Fass and dyno, then install the Prep. and dyno. Not the most convienient way to do it but it's the only fair way to do it.

 

[Jetpilot]

I think what folks here are implying is that the test is to determine which one will produce more HP. As I see it what is going on is a test of the Preporator to prove or disprove HP claims made about it. It just so happens that Preporator is willing to donate several systems to different parties around the country for these tests to be done. Not only that but I was asked to get as many people involved in the actual test as possible. I think this says a lot about how they feel their product will perform.



Personally I am skeptical of the HP claims so I am interested in what the results will provide.



Doug

 

[Murle]

Jetpilot quote... No G-Tech or seat-of-the-pants here, I will use a known constant which is a Dynojet 248c.



Now that is a kick in the teeth to everyone here that has posted doing some modification to their truck and has claimed that they could tell the difference in the power of their truck by just the way it performed.



I have read 100"s of these type of posts here. I guess that now If anyone claims that the chip they put in there truck made it run better... ... . Now you are going to have to dyno it to prove it.



Sorry, like I said, I don't need a dyno to tell me that my truck is running better with the FASS.



This is my last post on this subject... I am a HAPPY customer with my FASS. AND do you know why I'm HAPPY??? Because I own one and know what it has done fro my truck... . And there is no sense trying to explain it anymore. If anyone wishes to PM me about the FASS I will be more than glad to talk to them about it.



When morons won't listen it is time to quit talking.

 

[Jetpilot]

Murle,



How much HP did you gain? At what RPM? Torque?



I am not saying that improvments don't cause gains but how do you measure them accurately. The dyno is a known constant is all I am saying.



Doug

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Doug, Does Preporator have a web site so everyone here can read more or get more information about their system? Also, when/where is this dyno run with the Preporator going to be done? Curious as I might attend if I can swing it.



Don

 

[Bob Wagner]

http://www.fuelpreporator.com/index.htm

 

[Sled Puller]

Dynoing them back to back on a dynojet is not going to show any hp increase,- assuming the engine had good fuel pressure to begin with and the same fuel pressure with both units.



Now drive a 1/4 tank of fuel up and down a rough road and I bet you will notice a diffrence with both units on stock engines.



On a over fueled motor, I bet you won't notice crap either way.

IMHO.

 

[Jetpilot]

Don,



I am not sure when the test will happen. I am hopefull that we can put something together within the next 60 days. I don't want to do any testing until Preporator has the complete kit like they will sell ready. If I am to do the test I want the unit to be exactly what every customer who buys a Preporator gets.



As for where I will do the testing I am planning on going down to Kauffman Motorsports. I will advise and would love to have you come and watch and help.



Doug

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by Jetpilot

Don,

... ... and would love to have you come and watch and help.



Doug

Let me define that for you:

Helping put the head back on, and cleaning the anti- freez/oil off of Ernies white walls.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

sounds good

Doug, I agree. The testing should be done with an "as is" attitude. Whatever is in the box for the "regular joe" that buys the system is what should be installed.



I am concerned about a few things though. One, is the fuel pressure. I think it is important for a mechanical gauge to be installed as we should know what the stock system was and what the preporator system is out of the box, so we know. There is a pressure difference between the (12valve 24#, and 24 valve 15#) motor, so I believe it is a factor in this test.



The only other thing that "I" would want to know is the volts at the pump, both stock and with the preporator. If there are any chances that a relay is involved to try and turn the preporator pump harder/faster would, to me, be of concern.

Trying to turn more than the required 12 volts in a system also has a factor in longevity for the pump.



One last thing is this. The testers here, you, Wade and Kevin should be the ones to set the rules on the dyno rules. Along with input from those of us following this on the TDR. I wouldn't want Charles to dictate to you how the test are to be done so as to better his position/system some way that we don't know of.



of course... ... ... just my . 02



Don

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

:-laf :-laf :-laf @ Sleddy

 

[Dkevdog]

One last thing is this. The testers here, you, Wade and Kevin should be the ones to set the rules on the dyno rules. Along with input from those of us following this on the TDR. I wouldn't want Charles to dictate to you how the test are to be done so as to better his position/system some way that we don't know of.

I agree completely. That's what the purpose of the other thread that Wade started is about. My biggest problem is going to be getting Murle out here with a trailerload of cattle so I can do a true Dyno test!:-laf (Sorry- Couldn't resist )



But seriously, I don't know what the big arguements here are all about. And brad?? I have never spoken to you on the phone, so I fail to understand how you can bring forth judgement against me. I, my friend do not hide behind my keyboard, and I certainly am not rude or disrespectful. I am simply asking for numbers we can see. You say you are going to set that up. THANK YOU!!! We anxiously await the results. I am aware of both sides of the story, although You're right, I've not spokent to you directly. I am more than willing and ready to hear your side of the story, and anything else you have to discuss- I am easy to get a hold of- or I can call you- would you even be willing to take my call??



As for only wanting something for free?? Sure doesn't everyone? Does that mean I won't do fair and impartial testing?? Is that why I'm doing this test?? Not hardly. I was in the process of disccuing price and purchase with Charlie when this offer came up. LOTS of members have received product for testing, and it happens in the industry all the time. So please, don't judge me- you don't even know me.



Yours ever so respectfully,

Jerry Wanabe Springer

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Shoot, I am on the wrong thread here... ... ... :-laf

Guess I'll have to go to the other one... ... ... . Darn glasses anyway... ... .....



Don

 

[Dkevdog]

:-laf Yeah Don, this thread is running out of screen room... ... .

 

[Hammer]

On a over fueled motor, I bet you won't notice crap either way.

Anytime you get a motor and fuel system more efficient additions will only net minor gains so you are correct Gene.



BTW,

The day they go do the test at Ernie's why not come down and join Proram and I at my house for our BBQ. It will be more entertaining than a fuel pump test which will net nothing more than free equipment for those doing the test... ... ..... Andy

 

[MD500E]

I just installed the FASS on my truck a few weeks back. I purchased the FASS because I am beyond the stock lift pump capabilities as well as I am getting tired of replacing failed stock pumps. I was impressed with the quality of the entire kit. Although I may have picked up a few horsepower because I now have 13psi at full throttle verses 0 with the stock lift pump, I certainly did not purchase the FASS with hopes of making more power.

I feel the FASS marketing should place more emphasis on offering a quality high capacity pump as a solution to the stock lift pump problem, rather than benefits that are difficult prove. At least it might go over better with the guys on this board.