FASS Dyno Results

[WadePatton]

The real proper thing to do here would be to assemble a FASS, Preporator, G-tech, mildly BOMBed 24v truck, and a dyno.



Don't know if we could ever talk Brad out of a FASS, but Charles has offered the Preporator for testing. Maybe there's a loaner G-tech out there. Lots of folks have a dyno not too far away.

Truck--well, I don't think mine is the best candidate because of the fuel line upgrade it has. This might skew the results and not truly reflect how the systems would behave with the OEM lines/banjos in the system.



But if someone could compile all those things, it would be easy enough to answer our performance questions. A test could be run and a TDR article written. And then we could discuss the results and make better informed decisions on these results.



If it comes down to me doing the above, don't get in a hurry. I have several other things keeping me busy this Winter/Spring. But I would give everything a fair shake.

 

[Hammer]

The real proper thing to do here would be to assemble a FASS, Preporator, G-tech, mildly BOMBed 24v truck, and a dyno.

Thats what has already been proposed ,guess you missed it in this thread already... . .



Ok. .

I have been quiet and will post my last comments and bow out here as all this psychobabble is getting us no where.



To PROPERLY do this test it will have to be done on a truck which has not had a FASS or Preporator on it previously. It has to be a factory stock fuel system,including the feed tube & returns,to document what or how much gains will be made. To make the claims BOTH systems are for HP/TQ gains it should be a BONE stock truck,no mods for HP,period. Let me explain this as easy as I can. As you modify your truck for HP/TQ gains in essence you make the truck more efficient. As it has been found thru many years of racing,the more efficient the motors get the less things help for power. A easy way to think of this is a nitrous motor,less HP with spray means the motor will gain a ton. Get efficient and go big inch,same amount of juice =less gains with nitrous.



While I have asked to participate in this test it is becoming obvious to me where this is leading and will graciously bow out. I have had a very deep conversation with a couple of people locally who I highly respect in the performance market and after they have looked at this and all the posts over they made a recommendation to me of this. I have no desire or interest in becoming the middle man and will says thanks to all for the offers... ... . Andy



On Edit and after a few PM's about it already I'll define stock. .



Stock truck is as we do for our dyno meets...

No Fueling boxes,No Aftermarket Injectors. Air intakes and exhaust would be ok.

No modifications to fuel system other than the addition of a aftermarket pump. FACTORY feed tube and return tubes must be intact as most owners have no desire to spend the money to drop their tanks and add the aftermarket tubes.



To do this to attain the any chance of numbers,it will have to be done as if this was a new owner,who had no desire for HP gains,and only wanted the pump installed to help his truck make a long life.

 

[Proram]

Fass test

I to am going to Bow out of this test, reason #1 my truck is not a good example of a Normal truck, Reason #2 no matter what the results you guys just aint gonna be happy!!! and i aint gonna whip the crap outa my truck to prove a point. I already have a FASS w/-8 lines and 1/2" pu. Paid for!! so whats it benifit me? i know it works on my truck! The preporator may or may not work, i just dont care anymore, you guys just need to quit you whining and either do a fair test or drop the whole subject,



I'M OUT and thats IT for me!



Scott



PS let Wade do it! he seems to know more than all

us anyways!!

 

[Jetpilot]

I have a bone stock 2002 CTD we can do the evaluation on.....



Doug

 

[BillGotthelf]

Well I got PROOF. I put the FASS system on my 99 and I got 200 more hp!!!!! Oh I also added twin turbos, head work, Mach 5's and a 5" exhaust, but I don't think that really effected the power like the FASS did.

 

[WadePatton]

Originally posted by Hammer

Thats what has already been proposed ,guess you missed it in this thread already... .

Well, it's not hard to miss a word or two here in the FASS threads. Sorry I missed it.



What I remember was us saying "dyno" and Brad saying "G-tech".



As far as:

"Reason #2 no matter what the results you guys just aint gonna be happy!!!"

Makes no sense to me. We had one guy dyno one truck (thanks Don). We are told that a G-tech will show the real business. Maybe it will. What's unhappy about that?



It'd be quite silly for a performance oriented BOMB'er to totally throw out an option because it's value can't be demonstrated on a dyno-- Especially when we have so many Happy Campers with systems already installed and swearing that their performance is improved. We're just looking for quantification. Numbers that is, so we can do the HP per dollar equation to see which mod we want to do next. Camshaft anyone?



Scott: "PS let Wade do it! he seems to know more than all us anyways!!"



Sorry you feel that way Scott. `Most everybody knows more about something that I do-I never meant to imply otherwise.



And my 24v has aftermarket fuel lines, injectors, and turbo. Not the best candidate for testing.



Now if all the parts/pieces were available to me, I might could scare up a truck out of our local membership.



Doggone, I forgot to call Charles today.

 

[WadePatton]

Well two got by me while I was composing.



Thanks Doug--have at it! Call Charlie and get something going. His words to me:

"Give us a call - (877) 463-4373. Let's figure out this dyno test. "



Sit down Bill, these boys don't take kindly to ribbing around here. :-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[Dkevdog]

I've been on vacation and in the meantime keeping quiet, but I have something to add here. All of you who are happy with the results of your FASS/Preporator system- We're happy for you. BUT!!!! That being said, I'll direct everyone's attention higher up in this thread, where I quote Brad as telling us all "I will still stand behind what I said previously, I believe that we will give the Dodge Cummins (P7100, VP44 or Common Rail) at least 35 more horsepower. "



I don't give a rats rear what you do to test it, but 35hp, is 35hp. And I for one think these numbers are being pulled out of a hypothetical hat. There is no proof presented so far to support these claims. If you're happy with what you got from the system, again, Hats off to you. But if you don't get an increase in HP, you're missing the point here.



ONCE AGAIN... ..... SHOW US THE HP!! Oo.



See, I was pretty much ready to buy the system from a reliability standpoint alone. Kinda pricey for a reliable pump, but if it lends itself to being as reliable as it might be, it's worth that price. But then low and behold, someone had to go and make a HP claim. And guess what?? That's what all the gripe is over. SO!! Either put up some proof, or resend your HP claims. It's just that simple.







:-{}



Kev

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

Well, I have come to a decision. I am not going to let anyone use my truck as the Research & Development tool. I dynoed my truck own my own for my own knowledge and it is not going to be used as a pawn in a bigger chess game. In my opinion, both the FASS and Preporator owners should find an independent testing firm and have their own products tested by them. It is going to be the best way and most believable way for the results.



I am satisfied with the current system that I have and hope for many years of reliability. So far I have received good customer service from Brad and hope it continues.



Good Luck to you both and be sure and post your independent testing results for us all to see here on the TDR.



Thanks Don

 

[DMcQuown]

After 17,000 a lift pump and a VP pump, I elected to purchase and install the FASS system. NO more problems. Fuel Pressure is never (NEVER) lower than 12psi. The engine is much more responsive and will pull threw the top end without shuttering.

Knowing now that the pro's far outway the con's, I would tell everyone that this is the best move you will ever do for your wallet in the long run.

What I dont like is: I cant seem to locate filters other than from the factory of which came on it. They are Cim-Tek 70032 (450MG-10) and Fleetguard FS1023.

For me, living in Central Pa. I have to order these filters from Cim-Tek and Fleetguard.

If anyone has found filters that are the same quality or better than the one origanally packaged with the Fass System would you kindly share that information with me.

Happy FASSING.

 

[JTBMC]

I just asked the same question about the filters over the counter avaibilty in another thread, with out haveing a set of back ups in the truck and not knowing where to get them while out of town on the road, if at some truck stop you picked up a bad load of fuel, you could be up you know what creek with out a paddle.

TJ

 

[WadePatton]

Howdy

Originally posted by DMcQuown

After 17,000 a lift pump and a VP pump, I elected to purchase and install the FASS system. NO more problems. Fuel Pressure is never (NEVER) lower than 12psi. The engine is much more responsive and will pull threw the top end without shuttering... Happy FASSING.

Welcome aboard the TDR DMcQuown. Always glad to have a more folks.



This, however, is a horsepower thread. There are two other threads that discuss the general application of the FASS/Preporator style outfits. I put the links into this thread a page or two back. You might find some good reading there too.



WP



here they are:



(system) https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=86622&perpage=10&pagenumber=1



(first impressions)

https://www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84192&perpage=10&pagenumber=1

 

[CEkstam]

Regarding filters,



We manufacture a proprietary filter for the Fuel Preporator system. Because of this, we encourage our customers to purchase a spare filter when ordering the system. In addition, the Fuel Preporator comes equipped with a dash-mounted indicator light that monitors pressure - thereby warning you when the filter should be changed. We always have filters in stock and can next-day ship an emergency filter basically to anywhere in the United States.

 

[Murle]

When I got my FASS system... . in the paper work it had about 7 or 8 different filters and filter numbers that interchanged on the FASS system. I don't have them in front of me but I do remember that Balwin was one of the filters brand. I'm sure that if you look in the paper work it is there or you can call Brad and he can give you the info.

 

[GIT-R-DONE]

WOW, I was just looking at how many hits have been on this thread, almost 5000 so far... ... ..... who would have thought... Oo.



Don

 

[Dkevdog]

Originally posted by cuda6pack

WOW, I was just looking at how many hits have been on this thread, almost 5000 so far... ... ..... who would have thought... Oo.



Don

Yep..... they should be pleased, hits = publicity and sales.

 

[LowFly]

FASS Fuel System

We are very thankful!!



Brad Ekstam

 

[Murle]

When you have a good product the masses will come... .

 

[Dkevdog]

Or make claims that have yet to be proven

 

[Murle]

There are some who have used and know what it does.



Then there are those who have not used, and will never know.