For all us 2nd gen guys, AFE BladeRunner

[Bob4x4]

The question is if the increase is worth the cost. But we come across that question on a lot of products.

We would all be money ahead if we stayed stock... ... ... ... . but where is the fun in that.

Might as well drive a mini-van



Bob

 

[Bob4x4]

On another note... ... ..... I tryed a test fit of the 24v model on a 12valve... ... ... very close to fitting. Just too close to the master cylinder.

It looks like us 12valvers will be waiting a bit longer than the 24valvers.



Bob

 

[PRout]

We would all be money ahead if we stayed stock... ... ... ... . but where is the fun in that.
Might as well drive a mini-van

Bob

... . Zactly!

 

[Hammer]

I don't think these lil products were ever intended to satisfy a sled puller

:-laf:-laf:-laf



Bob. .

Now that funny stuff right there and I don't care who you are!!!!!



My truck a "sled puller",whoooooooooo hoooooooooo... .



I guess you have never seen the photo's of my truck at the local pulls with the car cover over it so it DON"T get all dirty. Sled Pulling=DIRT,which means I have to clean alot more,so that I can assure you that WON'T happen. Ask Sled Puller or any of my club guys,they have seen it covered up at one of those events.



Man,I needed something to cheer me up before I go try and move the nations freight in another winter storm and you gave it to me... ... ... Andy

 

[PRout]

Don't over-flatter yourself, this thread was not about your truck. :-|

 

[Hammer]

Don't over-flatter yourself, this thread was not about your truck

You right,it wasn't and I could care less what you think you read above. This thread was about facts on this intake. Those facts which show us that it does little or nothing for our trucks except lighten our wallets or allow those to cheerlead about the product.



BTW...

We all here are still waiting for the dyno graph showing us these big gains... ... ..... Andy

 

[Bob4x4]

I guess not all Mitchelized trucks pull... ... ... I noticed in your pic you are runing a Banks intake,chrome no less. What did Banks claim?Something like 40hp,but what he didn't say it was with a hotter plate :-laf

I don't recall saying anything about huge power gains on the dyno or street. It will improve spool up and EGTs and early reports that I have gotten from a modified 24valve improved mpg. With $3. 75 diesel here in Cali that is the right direction.



Bob

 

[PRout]

Lets see. . 300 bones for a goodie that installs easily, improves drivability & increases my mileage (small increase, but constant from time of install on and might take the current 18. 5 city and make that 19) vs leaving it stock and watching fuel prices rise anyways. Or, could go out and pay 50 THOUSAND dollars on a new truck to only get 14 mpg city at best, still have to fix it up the way I like it, and have a smog hog that anything you touch is like touching a land mine when it comes to epa equipment.

Hey ladies, maybe I could take up knitting. . That would be cheaper yet! Might even get a sweater done before winter is over. :-laf

 

[Hammer]

I guess not all Mitchelized trucks pull... ... ... I noticed in your pic you are runing a Banks intake,chrome no less. What did Banks claim?Something like 40hp,but what he didn't say it was with a hotter plate

Yep. .

Your first correct statement,not all Mitchell trucks pull,congrats.



The Twin Ram on my truck was bought USED at a very discounted price and was bought for two reasons. Since you seem to want to vainly attempt to discredit me I will gladly answer tell you why. First reason is I am a shine freak and when I seen it was chrome I could have cared less what it did for me,it meant less aluminum to polish. Second,that afore mentioned intake came off of Scott Dagelish's former ride "Two Timer". The current owner wanted a different look and decided to sell all the chrome and I thanked him for it.



Now I will educate you some. .

I seen zero HP with the usage of the Twin ram and all I can honestly say is it has even the EGT's from the front 3 and rear 3 cylinders to within 50 degrees of each other. That alone would make any 12v owner estatic but since I knew going in all I wanted was the shine and the price was right,I did not care.



You have been pimping AFE and their products for a while with little or nothing to back up your writing. Here the facts are in front of you,plain and simple and yet you try to sell those prospective customers with promises of other gains. The same gains that you seen on the dyno,yet,you claim the intake will not "shine" while on it.



Is it a different look,yes.

Could it help spool up,possibly.

Will it lower EGTs,maybe.

Are there big gains to be had,nope.



Again Bob,

Facts,its all the consumer wants,not what it might do,or what I may gain with it. Still waiting on that sheet for all to see how it allowed the motor to respond.



Ah Phil...

I am at a loss with you.

Its true we all have spent way more to gain way less,some stuff works,some stuff doesn't. However,most times we have seen it or have testing sheets showing what it might do before we pull the wallet trigger on the purchase. Most of those purchases,to the average owner who is trying to make his truck more efficent, are made after seeing the facts in front of him. At a 1/2mpg increase,how long will it take the average owner to recoup his initial cost?.

 

[JDerbedrossian]

So his dyno sheets that he provided for the 3rd gens wasn't valid in your opinion, how much more proof do you want. The 2nd gen manifold is still in the works so again relax sit back and wait for more results.



Jake

 

[DCreed]

So his dyno sheets that he provided for the 3rd gens wasn't valid in your opinion, how much more proof do you want. The 2nd gen manifold is still in the works so again relax sit back and wait for more results.



Jake

Sorry,not an effective comparison 2nd to 3rd gen. Apples and oranges.

 

[JDerbedrossian]

Quote:The 2nd gen manifold is still in the works so again relax sit back and wait for more results.



I hate quoting myself.

 

[dflesher65]

If Dave and Bob have our best interest, why not do a comparison between various intake manifold company's to see which is truly a better product.



I'm sure AFE would like to prove to us that the BladeRunner is a better product than all the others.



I know Bob is well respected among many of us and I'm not trying to bash him. Nothing against Dave either although he's not as respected!:-laf





Dwight

 

[Bob4x4]

If Dave and Bob have our best interest, why not do a comparison between various intake manifold company's to see which is truly a better product.



I'm sure AFE would like to prove to us that the BladeRunner is a better product than all the others.



I know Bob is well respected among many of us and I'm not trying to bash him. Nothing against Dave either although he's not as respected!:-laf





Dwight

Dwight,

I have posted flow numbers for ATS,Banks and CFM

All 3rd gen though. The 24valve 2nd gens have never interested me much so anything I do related to them doesn't do much for me... ... ..... but when we get the 12 valve stuff going Oo.

Despite my passion for the 05 I have kept the old reliable smoker 94

 

[Hammer]

This AFE intake is a vain attempt to force air do what it doesn't like to do,flow around bends and corners without disruption. All the tricks in the world does not correct where the problem really lies,unless you,as Bob stated earlier,lop off the intake and start fresh. To add a few blades to direct the air around the minor bends in the intake itself still does not address the real issue.



Jake. .

His 3rd gen dyno sheets only showed us how your runs can vary when you do not duplicate how they are done. How do you take a test and then quote gains made when you have not done the runs all the same?. Certainly even you can not believe that a truck that has been dyno tested with 3 different start points will give you the same results. When one tests he needs to be able to repeat all of the parameters and not have them vary as much as his did to get his results.



Still waiting to see the sheets... ..... Andy

 

[Bob4x4]

This AFE intake is a vain attempt to force air do what it doesn't like to do,flow around bends and corners without disruption. All the tricks in the world does not correct where the problem really lies,unless you,as Bob stated earlier,lop off the intake and start fresh. To add a few blades to direct the air around the minor bends in the intake itself still does not address the real issue.



Still waiting to see the sheets... ..... Andy

So it looks like you are trying to say,don't do anything to improve flow unless you spend big bucks :-laf:-laf:-laf





Bob

 

[Bob4x4]

OK Hammer I got AFE to send me a Dyno print out on Daves dyno,I will post it up once I get to my home computer



Bob

 

[Bob4x4]

Ok here is Daves 02 ho dyno,stock fueling



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Bob

 

[Bob4x4]

A little more independant testing on 3 brands. 3rd gens https://www.turbodieselregister.com...ons/194055-testing-3-intakes-cfm-afe-ats.html



Bob

 

[Bob4x4]

It looks like we will have to test a few more 2nd gens to be sure Dave's truck is a good representation of the 24v trucks



Bob