FS2500 observations

[jkoplin]

Hey guys. I got an fs2500 and thought you would like to know what I am seeing. Before I got this thing I would change my oil at 5000. At 5000 there was usually some oil loss. I assume the motor was burning a little as it got dirty. Well not any more. I have 5500 and the oil level has not declined at all, not even a little. There is no real discernible performance increase, but the engine is still running as smoothly as the day I changed the oil. You all Know what I mean. So far I am very happy with the product. And for all you guys looking at one of these. There is a REAL difference between the products. This FS2500 is a real tank. It must weigh 25lbs and it fits the Cummins perfectly. The guys at FS told me it is built like a tank because it was designed to be mounted on a Dozer or a Tractor where it might have to take a hit. I will be getting an oil test next week. I assume that the results will meet my expectations. I'll post the results.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Looking forward to the oil analysis - you might consider a particle count as part of that analysis - it's the only way to really test a filters ability to catch/hold the percentage of particles that can cause engine wear and damage.

 

[BGabaldon]

I have one installed also I was so impressed that I got one for my transmission. I had to modify my mount because I have a jake break and the vac pump was in the way. I havent had to change my oil yet but I did notice the oil getting clearer. next week I will install the trans fs2500 just waiting for maghytec DD pan to come in?

 

[jkoplin]

Got my results back for the test at 10000 very low particulates, very low soot, all parameters in the green. Also still have not had to add any oil at all. I am very pleased.

 

[jjack]

I have been using one for a little over 50,000 miles in total. I put 40,000 on my '05 with the FS2500 and changed the filter element 4 times and the oil twice and even then the Stavely Services Analysis said the oil required no service but I changed it anyway. I got the '07 5. 9 6 weeks ago and drove it straight off the lot to the shop and put the FS2500 on it with only 25 miles on the truck. I have become a true believer.

 

[PRout]

Nice reports. The video for the FS2500 is impressive.

I too would like to see a couple of particle count analysis' with substantial miles on the oil to see how its filtering compares to the other types available (paper roll type, canister, centrifical, etc. ).

Not to be ungrateful, but almost everyone with a bypass filter claims their oil comes out "clean", low particle, etc. , but the proof in is the analysis / particle counts from the labs. . I haven't seen any numbers posted yet for the 2500 although have read several posts of people saying they are going to post them. I dont doubt the FS2500 is a fine unit. I actually may buy one someday, but really need to see some numbers first. (like anyone cares right?)

In comparison, there have been several members reporting their numbers for their different setups, and in posting the numbers they have been able to get input on how to improve their installations, correct problems, etc.

I've purposely (actually lazily) abused my oil change intervals, and have been able to save 30,000 mile oil by changing out the frantz paper rolls frequently. This was confirmed by particle count numbers, but also learned that I had to slow down the flow when I was running a single unit, and needed to control the center tube leakage.

Blackstone labs and their particle count test is a nice standard test that really gives you a look at the filtering efficiency of the filter.

Thanks for the input it is very interesting, and pls keep it coming. . (rambling mode off)

 

[RLohman]

Fs2500

Hi All, Just wanted to let everyone know I have the FS2500 on 3 of my trucks. A 1999 Ford F-350, a 2005 F-350 and a 2006 Dodge. It's the best bypass filter on the market. It might cost a little more than some of the others but it's worth the money lets face it bar none it's the best filter on the market. It's the only company who has had an independent study on their filter. No body has the results they do. Hard core proof. Ask the others to show you their results. They either won't or can't. They can't beat the FS2500. Maintenance is the life of your motor. Face it with the common rails 3 rd injection cycle longevity of oil is just not there. So you have to have an FS2500. I have filters on my motors and transmission’s. I have gotten to know the nice people at Filtration Solution very well. I have had some lengthy conversations with Chris Williams at Filtration Solutions. He like the others there are Diesel enthusiasts. I just so happen to live not far from their headquarters and Chris was nice enough to invite me out to his house. He has a nice Lifted Diesel Excursion and is currently putting a twin turbo Cummins in his 94 solid front axle Chevy. Filtrations Solution just got back from sponsoring the Diesel Power Challenge as well. They really do care about the industry. Give them a call or check out their web site.

 

[Arkapigdiesel]

It's the best bypass filter on the market.

What substantiates that statement?

It's the only company who has had an independent study on their filter.

What about Oil Guard, Amsoil, Puradyn? I'm sure there are others that have testing performed, but I know for a fact that those mentioned have an independent lab perform ISO testing on their bypass filters.

No body has the results they do.

You might want to do a little more research.

Ask the others to show you their results. They either won't or can't.

Sure they will, the other companies have the results published on their website (excluding Amsoil).

The only reason I'm correcting some of your statements is to make people aware of other setups out there. FS2500 isn't the end all be all of bypass filtration, not by a long shot.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Got my results back for the test at 10000 very low particulates, very low soot, all parameters in the green. Also still have not had to add any oil at all. I am very pleased.

UMMmmm - enthusiastic verbage from users is nice, but actual display of NUMBERS is what it's all about - how about posting yours so we can actually SEE what "low" means in real numbers...



Your personal view of "low" very well might differ from someone elses...

 

[DWeiler]

No oil testing here but with the Mach 4"s/Smarty my oil would be"very black" within 1000 miles----Since the installation of the FS2500 about a 2 months ago i"v been driving back and forth from our summer place each weekend hauling a flatdeck loaded with supplies(maybe 4/5000 pounds weight--wood/rock/blocks etc)My oil does stay cleaner,more of a very light black color. Don"t know if this means anything but if the oil is not as dark/dirty or less soot content than it must help a bit. My 2 cents. DW

 

[amsoilman]

What substantiates that statement?



What about Oil Guard, Amsoil, Puradyn? I'm sure there are others that have testing performed, but I know for a fact that those mentioned have an independent lab perform ISO testing on their bypass filters.



You might want to do a little more research.



Sure they will, the other companies have the results published on their website (excluding Amsoil).

Directly from the "Amsoil" website:



Higher Efficiency

AMSOIL EaBP Filters have an efficiency of 98. 7 percent at two microns. At normal operating RPMs the EaBP Filter will filter all of the oil in a typical five quart sump in less than 10 minutes.



Superior Construction

The superior construction of AMSOIL EaBP Filters provides better sealing and increased longevity along with superior corrosion resistance. AMSOIL EaBP Filters have a marine powder coated exterior; and their zinc-dichromate base plates increase rust protection. EaBP Filters have a nitrile HNBR gasket and an orange silicone anti-drain valve. The two stage pleated and layered cellulose/full synthetic media has an efficiency rating of 98. 7 percent at two microns.



Longer Lasting

When used in conjunction with AMSOIL motor oil and an AMSOIL EaO or Donaldson Endurance™ filter, the EaBP should be changed every other full-flow filter change up to 60,000 miles. When used with other brands of motor oil or full-flow filters, the EaBP Filter should be changed every other full-flow filter change. AMSOIL recommends using oil analysis when extending oil drain intervals.



Increased Oil Capacity

The increased fluid system capacity and filtration life provides improved oil cooling and ensures that equipment constantly runs on clean oil. Engine efficiency is increased, providing extended engine life.



Soot Removal

AMSOIL has designed a new high-efficiency by-pass filter element that is also a soot removal device. AMSOIL Ea By-Pass Filters use a synthetic/cellulose sandwiched media. The inner layer of the element is composed of a highly efficient cellulose media covered with a full synthetic media outer layer. These filters remove 39 percent of soot contaminants less than one micron. Soot removal efficiency increases approximately 10 to 14 percent when the EaBP Filter is used in conjunction with a standard full-flow filter.

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Directly from the "Amsoil" website:



Higher Efficiency

AMSOIL EaBP Filters have an efficiency of 98. 7 percent at two microns. At normal operating RPMs the EaBP Filter will filter all of the oil in a typical five quart sump in less than 10 minutes.

All that is well and good - but exactly WHAT will that efficiency rate translate into in a typical 5000 mile oil analysis as it relates to a particle count? All the claimed efficiency rates in the world are pretty meaningless to most of us - but an actual particle count weeds the BS out of an otherwise vague statistic - here's one of mine with my Frantz TP bypass filter:



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I have no clue what the above counts relate to in efficiency percentages - but have yet to see any better ones from ANY commonly available bypass filter type...



Not a dig at Wayne or Amsoil - just an observation...

 

[PRout]

uhmm any questions. . ?

 

[amsoilman]

Gary,

I realize what you are saying, but the post by Arkapigdiesel, above, stated Amsoil did not publish testing results on their website! This is why I posted.



Best regardds,



Wayne

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

Gary,

I realize what you are saying, but the post by Arkapigdiesel, above, stated Amsoil did not publish testing results on their website! This is why I posted.



Best regardds,



Wayne

Thanks Wayne - I always appreciate the info you supply!



My comment was intended to address the other similar efficiency quotes by other filter suppliers as well as Amsoil's - when the user is dealing in particle counts measured in parts per MILLION, a rating that states 98-99% efficiency might easily allow enough stuff thru to register far higher than the report I posted above from my own specific filter. When in doubt of actual, real life efficiency, an actual analysis by a respectable lab might be far more revealing and meaningful than a manufacturers PR statistic.

 

[steved]

No oil testing here but with the Mach 4"s/Smarty my oil would be"very black" within 1000 miles----Since the installation of the FS2500 about a 2 months ago i"v been driving back and forth from our summer place each weekend hauling a flatdeck loaded with supplies(maybe 4/5000 pounds weight--wood/rock/blocks etc)My oil does stay cleaner,more of a very light black color. Don"t know if this means anything but if the oil is not as dark/dirty or less soot content than it must help a bit. My 2 cents. DW

I'm seeing similar results with my Gulf Coast... oil turned dark, but is still translucent... not sludgy black. I'll be curious to see what it looks like at 10k miles.



IMO, the Gulf Coast and the FS2500 are very comparable in many ways.



steved

 

[ENafziger]

So do you have to request that a TBN be done in order to get the size distribution of particles in your oil? I've got the Oilguard bypass setup with FilterMags, and am about to send in a sample to Blackstone Labs. Thanks, Eric

 

[steved]

So do you have to request that a TBN be done in order to get the size distribution of particles in your oil? I've got the Oilguard bypass setup with FilterMags, and am about to send in a sample to Blackstone Labs. Thanks, Eric

TBN is something else... you need to request a particle count to get the sizes.



TBN is total base neutrals and is a reflection on how much (chemical) life your oil has left... anything below 2 should be replaced IIRC.



steved

 

[JWendt]

I have a question. Why is it that it seems if some one posts something other than an amsoil. A lot of people do dog them out and tell them that they need to us there stuff i. e. mainly the amsoil dealers. I understand they want the business. But what is wrong with the other brands?

 

[amsoilman]

I have a question. Why is it that it seems if some one posts something other than an amsoil. A lot of people do dog them out and tell them that they need to us there stuff i. e. mainly the amsoil dealers. I understand they want the business. But what is wrong with the other brands?

Nothing wrong with the other "brands"!



Wayne