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I'm looking into a change in career. I've got a friend that can get me into a good job driving. I just need to get my Class A.



I've got the "book" on what I need to do it here in MN. I thought it was WAY to simple. Granted I took Big Truck repair in Tech school... but still... . :rolleyes:



So... The driving test... That's where I'm wondering REALLY what I should be watching for to learn. I have a friend that said "Get your Permit and give me a call. When I'm in town we'll go out and I'll show ya what you need to know. " He owns his own rig, so I'd like to know what I should learn that hey may forget.



Is the test really terribly difficult?



Thanks

JP
 
If you are comfortable with driving a truck or are experienced with it I wouldn't worry about the driving part. The part that gives the good majority problems is the pretrip safety inspection. This is the most important and critical part of it. If you don't pass this you don't get to do the driving test. Read and reread the pretrip inspection section and the parts to be inspected and the reasons for checking them . it is best to have a truck at hand and practice going over it several times with a friend to help. also do the driving and pretrip in a truck that is in good shape if it can't pass the inspection,that also flunks you for the driving test for the day. Take the test in the truck and trailer you are used to. Another point is to not use a spread ax trailer or 1 that is longer than you are used to as they can be a bit tougher to do the backing test with.



Hope some of this helps.
 
Well I don't have a ton of behind the wheel time. The last truck I drove of that size was about a year and a half ago when I moved DuluthDiesel's G-ma from NC to Two Harbors MN.



I know I need seat time. That's part of my concern. I dont' know that I'm going to get a ton of it prior to the test.





The Pre-trip doesn't look very difficult, I just need to memorize exactly what they want me to be looking for. With my background in Auto/Diesel repair... the explinations are easy.



Any other... . seat time things that I should watch for. I really think that is where my weakness will be.



JP
 
**EDIT** BILLVO beat me to some of this already... . :eek:



Is the test difficult? No, if you study, are an above average driver, have a basic idea of how a truck works, and can memorize facts/figures.



The written tests are pretty much standardized nationwide. The basic things like following distances, air system operation, and identifying certain parts of a truck and how they operate, etc.



The real test is the driving... ... a good driver can make it look easy, but the most important things I can tell you to keep in mind:



1) pay attention to your shifting--don't grind the gears too much, #1 give away on seat time is how smooth you shift up AND down... mostly down FYI.



2) be aware of how touchy properly adjusted air brakes can be. Last thing you wanna do is faceplant the tester into the glass--and it's very possible to do that with tight brakes on a light (unloaded) tractor/trailer combo.



3) Pre-trip walkaround. There are 50-some points to check and you're only allowed to miss IIRC two or three at most. The list is in the manual and you need to have it memorized, no cheat sheets to go off of.



What you do on the drive test will vary depending on your instructor, but be prepared to back around a (relatively) blind corner, stop as close as possible to an object you can't see---taking your test in something other than a 379 pool table hood Pete helps in this area, LOL--and turning a corner that, if executed perfectly, is juuuuuust wide enough for the combo to fit around, and in general be sent down roads you don't know with a truck nearly too big to be there in the first place. Watch for tricky traffic signs/signals, turn lanes, etc... . instructors like to gauge how well you know how to drive a truck by forcing your attention off the truck and onto the road/traffic around you.



Most instructors (that I've been around) are either truck drivers themselves who do the instructing for extra money, or paid employees of the state dept. of transportation. Their methods will all vary, but the professional truck driver instructors will usually let you 'cheat' in a few areas---shifting w/o the clutch, shifting w/ the jake, not downshifting for every stop, etc. Learn how to shift both by floating the gears and by double-clutching so you aren't in for a surprise come road test day. Many of the professional 'testers' go by the book, and float shifting technically is a no-no.



If you have time to practice it won't be so bad, but remember too that heavy trucks aren't like cars & light trucks---each one is different and has its own quirks--there are so many engine, transmission, differential, suspension, and truck model combinations out there that it's best to take the final drive test in the same truck you practice in, so you have some 'local knowledge' of how it operates. Nothing like learning how to drive in a nearly brand new truck w/ AutoShift, air ride, and a nice smooth electronic engine, then go take your drive test in a 25 yr old wore out lowboy with a super stiff throttled turned up mechanical 3406, a transmission missing half it's thrust bearings, 5. 13 gears, and spring suspension to bring you back to reality. :-laf



Hope this helps,



Dan
 
I would try to find someone close that has trucks that is willing to let you drive with them. I have a friend with a construction co he let me drive belly dump trailer hauling gravel for him for a couple months before I took my test,it was all country road small town county roads. so I didn't have to worry about "Johnny Law" as I drove alone the whole time. Another good way is to drive for a farmer that has 1. Here they do not have to have a cdl to drive big trucks for private farm use they just have to stay within 150 miles of home.



The pretrip inspection is not hard, it the # of the things you need to get. You need to get almost all the things they want you to point out from the book there are a lot of items if I remember right,they only allow you to miss a few. Its easy to miss a couple when your nervous. It is also dependant on the mood of the tester. I have heard some will ask for 1 or 2 more things you missed some will just flunk you with no warning at the end. Most people I know failed it several times some due to a light even being out on the truck. I have never heard of anyone failing the driving part.



I wouldn't take too long either as they passed laws a couple years ago puting a 1 time renewal on the permit. So you have to get liscence within that 1 year period then you have to wait like a year to get the permit again. Too many people just drove with a permit and kept renewing it to avoid taking the driving test.
 
:-laf :-laf :-laf



Dan submitted his message while I was doing the last one we repeated some info again.



Yes as Dan stated. learn to drive using the "Double clutch" method. It sucks after driving by not doing it for a while but if you get used to that method its not bad. This is the importance of using a truck that you have the feel for already.
 
MN may be different than IA but the biggest failure on the driving test is by shifting into nuetral at a stop sign or light. Always get shifted down to a take off gear and hold the clutch in until you can go. Hope this helps, Chris
 
CSnyder said:
MN may be different than IA but the biggest failure on the driving test is by shifting into nuetral at a stop sign or light. Always get shifted down to a take off gear and hold the clutch in until you can go. Hope this helps, Chris



I think holding the clutch in is ok at a stop, but keeping it in gear is not a good safety practice IMO just in case your foot slips off or you get hit and again it slips you will not doze into whats in front of you.



Or maybe your saying not to use Mexican overdrive and put it in neutral and coast to a stop. :-laf Yes that is a no no. they want to see your shifting ability and use engine braking until a safe slow speed to stop.
 
Josh, the air brake portion of the pretrip is the most important part of the test. If you miss one part of it you fail. The rest of the pretrip would be the second most important part. Practice it over and over again. Driving is the easiest part of the test. Like said above, not only do you have to pay attention to what you're doing in a truck you're not familiar with, you HAVE to pay attention to what's going on around you. Pay attention to every overpass, after you've gone under them the instructors like to ask you what the height was on the last overpass.



It's really not that difficult. I took it when I was 18. Only got two wrong on the whole test, I drive with both feet. Just make sure the truck you use is in good working condition. Good luck. If I can think of anything alse I'll let you know.
 
BILLVO said:
I think holding the clutch in is ok at a stop, but keeping it in gear is not a good safety practice IMO just in case your foot slips off or you get hit and again it slips you will not doze into whats in front of you.



However, the law states otherwise. Congrats to lawmakers for keeping us safe :rolleyes: :rolleyes: !



Don't coast, and after a shift, put your hands right back up on the wheel.



No curbs. One curb, game over in Tx.





I took my class A CDL in a Chevy 3500 Automatic pulling a 20' Gooseneck. We were heavy enough. (weight rating, but only weighed 12,000 Lbs or so) Talk about an easy test. No technical pre-trip required. I do not have an airbrake endorsement (but do have doubles/triples and haz mat) The txDOT lady said just come back and pre-trip a truck with airbrakes and you will recieve the endorsment. I don't drive air brake'd trucks yet, so I haven't gone back.



Merrick
 
Screw it,Do like I do-just drive illegaly,avoid scales,cheat your log books,drive back roads and run heavy all the time- to make up some extra money for bail. LOLJust kidding Josh,The pre trip is the worst. PS-If you get in an accident GET OUT AND RUN!!!!!!!!!!
 
Make sure your foot is not touching the clutch pedal when not using it. Also in Ohio if getting hazmat, they will say " okay you have a hazmat load " while approaching a RR crossing " what do you do?" They kinda like it if you stop (and look) before crossing. As with any test being nervous is huge. Good luck!

Damon
 
Just did the cdl "b" and here in NE the pre trip is written only. Ditto on the skill test air brake (leave anything out and it is a flunk) also ditto on the graring down to a stop; keep both hands on the wheel except to shift; and constantly check both mirrors (probably more than you're used to). These testors can tell right away if you know what you are doing by the way you shift gears and generally handle the rig, so a little practise in the rig you test with can't hurt.
 
Some testers who are drivers/operators can supply a truck to take the test in for a nominal fee. It doesn't help much on practice time, but if you feel confident enough, the trucks are usually in pretty good shape.



I took my drive test years ago in a heavy haul Mack Superliner pulling a 55-ton lowboy deck. Easiest thing in the world to pull empty, no overhangs, easy to see around, easy to back up. Day cabs are the best trucks to use as the huge rear window is allowed as a 'cheat' while backing up by most testers, and a flat deck, drop deck, lowboy, or otherwise non-tank/van trailer works great for this. (hint hint hint)





Something else, unless you already know it (apologies if you do) DO NOT push the clutch all the way in while shifting... ... you'll ruin the clutch brake in short order.



Keep the jake turned off, you won't need it with an empty combo and it can confuse the hell outta you if you leave it on and try to shift, without the experience of having it on. (you can shift gears hella fast using the jake but if done wrong the herky-jerky-look-at-the-idiot-behind-the-wheel motions don't impress the testers. ) :-laf
 
Great advise!



I've been told by a few friends that the Lowboy is the best to take the test with. I've also been told to find a leasing company. (one in particular in my area) They can administer the test and are a bit more leniant (sp?) than the DMV testers. They understand the truck is new to "you" and you are a newer driver.



I did know about the Clutch brake. ONLY because of my D-pad knowlege from Tech school.



IF it has a Jake... I'll be sure to leave it off. I'm guessing... . that the shifting hella fast is done partially due to the fact that the micro switch on the throttle never really touches the Idle switch?



Ahh the things that will be learned in the REAL driving world.....
 
JoshPeters said:
IF it has a Jake... I'll be sure to leave it off. I'm guessing... . that the shifting hella fast is done partially due to the fact that the micro switch on the throttle never really touches the Idle switch?



Ahh the things that will be learned in the REAL driving world.....



The jake slows the engine down faster which allows for quicker upshifts--easier to skip gears and such. Easy to miss gears as well, for the same reason.



Electronic engines will turn the jakes off automatically around 1,000-1,100rpm, but the older mechanical engines will activate the jakes if the switch is on and the jake switch on the throttle linkage is depressed, so basically anytime you're off the go pedal.



Seen many trucks killed at stops by drivers forgetting to turn the switches off on older trucks. More of that real world stuff again... . :eek: :-laf
 
Dl5treez said:
The jake slows the engine down faster which allows for quicker upshifts--easier to skip gears and such. Easy to miss gears as well, for the same reason.



Electronic engines will turn the jakes off automatically around 1,000-1,100rpm, but the older mechanical engines will activate the jakes if the switch is on and the jake switch on the throttle linkage is depressed, so basically anytime you're off the go pedal.



Seen many trucks killed at stops by drivers forgetting to turn the switches off on older trucks. More of that real world stuff again... . :eek: :-laf



Makes perfect sense!





OOPS on the switches... . You'd sure think that the Jerking of the entire truck would be a reminder! :-laf



I'll never forget how that 855 Cummins Big Cam II jumped off the floor (running stand in D-pad) when we Reved it up to High Idle and Slapped the Jakes on for the split second before it hit Low idle! :eek:
 
Josh, I was going to suggest it, but it sound like you already found an independent company to administer the test. I don't know of any in MN, but if need be I know of a place in AZ that if you have $200 you won't leave without a CDL. They have a single axle flat bed automatic with a day cab pulling a backhoe trailer, doesn't get any easier than that.
 
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