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Governor spring... pandora's box?

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Not quite the same premise, but when I'm done, you'll understand. Hope you packed a lunch, cuz this could be a long one.



Alright, so I'll start with backlog:



My truck was bone stock when I got it and I couldn't keep my power greedy little hands off that. Bear in mind this was 3 years ago, my first vehicle, and the first diesel owned by anyone I knew. I was slightly inexperienced (not that much has changed). Following instruction by TDR members, I cranked the fuel pump. Being as inexperienced as I was there wasn't much of control on the many variables... I just wanted power and a lot of it.



Half a year later, getting that itch again, I went back in a cranked it up some more, with a little more attention to detail this time. I tweaked things around, be it up or down (mainly up) and fine tuned it a little better... kinda. Still rather half***ed by my standards today.



Finally I dumped the money pit... my girlfriend... and started putting money into something that really meant something to me... my truck. I bought BD's biggest injectors and a B. F. AFE air filter.



A few months ago I bought the Master Power turbo on sale at PDR because I spent all my money at the bar and that was the cheapest one I could find. "Supports 300-425 horse power. " And with it I bought a custom cut fuel pin, a Tach, Pyro, and boost gauge. I know... I know, gauges before tweaks... I understand this now... try telling me that 3 years ago though.



So more to the point of this rambling...



I finally went in to put the 366 governor spring in last night. It was a pain, I'll start with that. I got to it without having to tip the pump toward the fender like PB's instructions said. This was out of neccessity, as all the nuts were loose but the pump wouldn't budge (something I'm missing here?). I kept all my previous settings on everything in that pump other than the spring. Put everything back together. Primed it. Fired it up. Idle speed: 1100rpms. Hmm... interesting. Checked all my external parts... springs, throttle levers... etc. Seemed ok. (the idle screw had already been backed all the way from my last "tuning" so I just took it out entirely). I tweaked what I could from the outside of the pump... which isnt much. With it running I realized I could push the throttle lever back with a screw driver and bring the idle down a little... telling me if that spring on the shaft of the throttle were a little stronger, it would bring my idle right back down. I can bend it or something... problem (relatively) solved.



This is where it gets interesting though... .



Took it for a spin. Before the spring, at WOT I was around 32psi, 1200* egt. Now all thats new is the spring. Numbers 42psi at least... thats where I stopped when my egts climbed to 1400+. This was also instant... its like someone lit a fire under the tail of my truck. On the freeway I goosed it and buried the egt needle at 1500*. I can't get on the freeway without hitting 1400 on the onramp before I'm even up to freeway speeds. Boost gauge hits about 42 almost instantly and stays around there until I let off. Smoke... its like a James Bond smoke screen. Don't get me wrong, its smoked real good before... but now at half throttle I can blot out the sun. Its definitely a lot quicker now also. The power gain is almost absurd. Shall we start a pool on how long my transmission lasts... I'll start with 6 days. Any other guesses? $2 buy-in.



Yeah, yeah... it also gave me another 300 rpm top end I guess... I really dont know, as my egts get way too high before it winds out.



My thoughts:



I think all the "tuning" I did to the pump 2 years ago was somewhat limited by the govenor (why, I can't fully explain) and when I put the 366 in it blew the top off pandora's box and let all those tweaks run loose. As I understand it, the governor defuels the pump, and the heavier spring doesn't allow the governor to work until later in the rpm band. This would also mean the governor does even less at low rpms than with the stock spring too... so it makes sense I guess... but the extent to which it took it is absurd... I feel like I may blow something up.



Has anyone has such an experience with the 366 spring? Can anyone give me some intelligent input? Will my truck be alright? How do I fix my egt problem? Will women ever stop spending my money for me?
 
turn in the fuel screw a little to lower the idle, tighten up the afc a little and keep the right foot off the gas pedal alot.
 
"turn in the fuel screw a little to lower the idle" is that a typo?. . Turning the fuel screw into the pump will increase the idle. . Are you sure you don't mean turn the fuel screw out of the pump to drop the idle?
 
good catch, thats what i get for watching tv, and trying to think at the same time :confused: he is right, loosen the fuel screw.
 
i have a question about this also. i have a buddy with a 97 12valve. he claims to have reached 1400-1500* also. dont our pistons melt or run the risk of blowing a whole through them, @ 1350*???? so if your probe is reading temps of upto 1500*!! am i wrong in wondering if your pistons are going to last? also, you head gaskett with boost #'s like you said. mercy, if i was you i dont no if i would be terrified or overjoyed.
 
I believe 50 psi is the accepted boost value for a stock head gasket without head studs. Don't quote me, though.



I understand that the fuel screw will lower my idle if I turn it in... but I'm pretty pleased with the power I've got going on right now... Like I said, I can bend the end of that throttle return spring that sits on the throttle shaft to fix the idle. I'm not sure if thats kosher... ?



Anyway, my biggest worry is the 1500+ egts. I've hit 1300 before... and I know thats not an issue as long as you don't let it linger up there, but as I said, I can't even get on the freeway without picturing the flamethrower thats going through my exhaust manifold.



With my brand new $850 tires right now, the tail end will swing out at less than half throttle if theres even just a little dampness on the ground. Before the spring, I couldn't break these tires loose on wet pavement at WOT (partially transmission slippage problem).



I guess my biggest question is that all I've read about the 366 spring is it gives you a little more high end power, along with adding another 300rpms or so. I've yet to hear one person say anything about the spring taking it from a snappy daily driver to a friggin drag truck. Don't get me wrong, I love what it did for me. I guess I just wanna hear that reassuring "you wont melt your turbo. " Or possibly the "you better change something before driving it anymore" if need be said.
 
Yeah. I agree. I did something similar.



I started off slow like I was told. Mind you this was several years ago so 350/400 HP was like,,,,,,, WOW!!!



So I do all these engine mods and I'm like... . "This thing is a pug dog"



Turn the fuel screw.

Adjust the smoke screw.

Adjust the AFC diaphragm.

Install POD's

Install new turbo

Install new exhaust

Install new air intake

Install custom ground fuel pin



All this is a joke my friend. Your kidding yourself.



I modified the throttle linkage,removed the gov speed screw and installed the gov spring.



Then I blew off a tire tread performing a bun-out... ... ... ... ... ..... :)
 
Ahhhh... didn't get very far on the slippery slope eh????:eek:

I have a son like that... . and a nephew:-laf

I have no idea where they got it from... .
 
I'm never buying a vehicle with an auto transmission in it again...



Between my diesel and my (bone stock) Ramcharger I've blown 4 trannies in the past year. This is the third time in my diesel, and my RC is parked at my place up north waiting to get a NP435 transplanted in it because I am absolutely finished with automatics by now. Some people see it as a luxury, I see it as a hinderance.



Diesel's in the shop right now. $1800 this will run me. Better than the last place... they charged me $2700 and had some very shotty craftsmanship. After The snow thaws the Ramcharger's getting that manual. Next up 6 speed in the diesel? Only a matter of time at this point...
 
Man, I can't wait to get my truck back so I can blow the transmission again. I wish I would have recorded the phone calls I've gotten when they shops call to tell me whats up.



"What were you towing with this thing?!"



(laughing)"Yeah, the whole transmission is completely shot"



"Man, you really did a number on this thing"



"I've never actually seen this before"





Every other part on my truck I can replace/rebuild on my own, and the one thing that I have no clue how to rebuild is the one thing that keeps blowing up.
 
Yea, my nephew put some big $$ into his 98 auto... . then blew that apart in a year or so. He just finished converting it to a stick... . I won't comment on the cost of that conversion.

My son has his 05 auto at Mass diesel right now... been there a while getting "bulletproofed". And he is on his 4th turbo. (cooldown. . what's that?)#@$%!

His 94 auto has had 2 rebuilds... in 4 years, not too bad.

I guess the addage holds... if ya wanna play ya gotta pay.
 
I once ripped apart my torque converter in the middle of nowhere, minnesota. A TDR member from the travel companion found me a transmission shop that would work friday night and saturday to get the truck put back together for me. The reason he got the guy to do this is because he knew him pretty well after blowing something like 8 auto trannies in his second gen in a year... At some point the cost of a manual conversion becomes the cheaper route... .
 
Ahh, Tippin, you're funny! :-laf Buy a factory service manual. Geno's Garage has them for $99. The one for the '93 has trans rebuild sections for autos and the Getrag. (only one for the getrag)

Brief forays into the 1500 degree zone are not going to hurt anything. Minute or 2, maybe 3 tops! Make sure you let it cool down before shutdown. Your exhaust manifold will shrink though. (voice of recent experience here ;))

I was pretty impressed with the 366 also. Like Scott, I did most of the other stuff 1st. Then I did the stuff that makes it go! :-laf
 
Hmmm... . should I install my spring or not???!!!:rolleyes: It's in a bag along with "The pin"!!!!:D Where's the link with the pics on how to install the little bugger?
 
before the spring what happens if you just hold it to the floor?? does it not go any further than 2900rpms? the highest ive taken mine so far is 2500rpms.
 
At about 2800 you wind out, not like a gasser though where it bounces off the rev limiter, you just have no more power. Downhill you might get it to 2900. Try to pass someone anywhere above 2500 though... you have nothing. I'm glad I got the spring, and thus far, I would recommend it... its just I've had some bad luck with the transmission since i bought the truck.



For me the pin didn't do a whole lot. I think my pump was at its limit without that spring... the last time I fired it up to drive it up to the tow truck I had to rev it pretty high to get it to move with that blown transmission and it sounded just like those sled pullers. I think I woke up the surrounding counties with that. Before the spring if you reved it in neutral (essetially the equivalent of reving it with a blown transmission) it just got to a certain point and wound out. I can definitely tell I've unleashed the beast. My truck has officially journeyed from boyhood to manhood.
 
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