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I agree with Pete, look around here on pin grinds and do it yourself. I was pretty nervous about it, but pulled it out and used a dremel tool on it. I ground more than I needed to. I would pull the top off the pump to replace the 366 spring and then take the top with the pin to where you are going to grind it. Keep testing the pin as ground until the little levers inside the pump top bottom out. Quit grinding at that point. I thought I was getting almost done when I realized that I was ~1mm deeper than I needed to be upon testing.





It isn't as bad as you might think. If you really mess it up, turn the pin to the untouched side. :)



Ken
 
alright guys, ive really been kicking around some ideas here. ive been putting a lot of thought into a 16cm 0r 14cm housing. which should it get?? do i need the wastegate if i go with the 14cm?? im not looking to make this a drag truck :D its my everyday driver and i will most likly do some good towing with it in the future, but for now, i gets me to school, work, and an occasions 6+ hour road trip. what housing is the most practical??? for what ive described.



what do yall think about this plan.



1. ASA intake as soon as it gets here (1+ week?)

2. 4inch downpipe and stacks in 3 weeks (i already have the stacks and this is my college spring break so its kinda a must for my skedual)

3. very soon after stacks and downpipe, do the 366 and adjust fuel screw and probly grind pin????

4. a little later (sometime in summer or fall?) do the exhaust housing???



does this seem to be in a ressonable order? i would rather do the exhaust housing, THEN do the down pipe and stacks, so i dont have to fool with the downpipe twice, but i have to do the stacks in 3 weeks, and i really shouldnt drop $200 for the exhaust housing untill i start rolling in some good summer paychecks again. reasonable enough?



thanks for the time and consideration
 
:-lafThanks for all the info guys as always you have been great. I wish there was another person in Calgary alberta that was a member here, and I wish that I knew that PDR sold a cold air system for our trucks because I just bought a stage 2 afe setup for a second gen which I am going to mod. $350 gone I can't take it back so I will install it I guess. I looked around a while ago and couldn't find one.

On another note my wife went away for the weekend and left me alone with my ripped apart dodge. Not that you care but I have my turbo off, exaust off, axles out, knuckles bare, pretty much a disaster. This weekend I have to reinstall the turbo, customize the exaust, move the windshield washer fluid container, install the 2nd gen intake, install 4 gauges, install dual batteries, weld my knuckles back on, change out the upper and lower king pins, install the axles, change out the rotors and calipers which are new, install the ajustable draglink, center the steering and maybe redo my grounding system. Wish me luck!

Oh ya I have a 4" down pipefrom BD but for about an inch it's like 3. 5 how could a 4" exaust be better if you still have to squeeze it through a 3. 5 section. Would a straight piped 3. 5 inch exaust be better that a 4 inch one with a muffler. No one told me this but is it true that with the hx35 the 35 means 3. 5" and with the hx40 the 40 means 4", sorry thats probably general knowledge and should erase it but whatever, I think a 4" exaust is only required for a 4" turbine housing exit and that it's the bends that restrict flow. I was reading somewhere that a smaller section in the exaust helps your turbo spool up faster, is that true? Maybe its for looks. I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I am lazy any would rather read about all your cool trucks than actually get off my butt and help mine grow up:{
 
well im not sure but on my truck i thought it was a 3 inch down pipe. when i do the 4inch dp im not running it through a muffler, itll be 4 inch all the way to the bed then 5inch y-pipe into 6inch dual stacks. the smaller exhaust housing, from what i have heard, allows quicker spoolup and overall higher boost levels. the bigger downpipe allows for lower EGTs and a nice tone:). an probly more benifits that i cant remeber this time of night.



p. s. - good Lord puff1 !! ill sure wish you luck, an ill be shocked if you can get all that done in one weekend all by youself! best of luck.
 
Puff, less beer and computer, more work! ;)

Tippin, I ground my pin with a 4 inch hand grinder. :D Then I touched it up and smoothed it off with a dremel tool. I made the mistake Ken did, never checked it and cut it too deep. It doesn't hurt anything, just makes the cone awful thin.

Jimmy, I have a 16 on mine, if you don't tow, a 14 would be ok. Watch the classifieds on the sites. You should be able to get one for $150 or less. I paid that for mine new.

pete
 
ok, thanks pete, thats good to know. where did you get yours? i found them on PDR for $185 i think, and with shipping itd probly be up near $200.



why would i want a 16cm rather than a 14cm if im going to be towing??

one last question, the measurment (16cm,14,cm,12cm), does that stand for the square centimeters of the exit? so when i get the smaller housing ill have to neck down my downpipe even more, correct?



thanks a bunch pete



i looked all over the site for griding the fuel pin... . couldnt find anything, even did the search, nothing. with out seeing a visual of the exact pin your talkin about its hard for me to envision just what it is that im going to grind. is there anything Bushwaker put up that would have a photo of the pin, or somthing close to it??
 
Play by ear on the pin. Just take a look at the slope it has right now and try to keep that same profile, but further into the pin. Now that I know theres really not any tight tolerances to be held, it should be a breeze. Just make sure its smooth all the way through, and take it down to a shiny finish. I'd venture to guess it wouldnt be so good if that tiny pin would bind up on the cone.



The cm sizes, or turbo sizes, have nothing to do with the output flange on the exhaust housing. Your current turbo is somewhere between an 18cm exhaust housing and a 21cm exhaust housing, I think. Anyway, the 16, 14, and 12 all have the same size flange to accept the downpipe. That flange is going to be 3" on yours. Mine is a 3. 5" and the turbo is an offbrand equivalent of an HX40... kinda. The true HX40 does have a 4" flange though, as I recall. And yes, I believe the standard flange on the HX35 is 3. 5". Don't quote me on any of this.



Anyway, there are a bunch of measurements that go into how your turbo performs.



First are the pin wheels and housings. What putting a smaller exhaust housing on your turbo means, is theres less room for your exhaust gas to get around the pinwheel, therefore it builds pressure. The same amount of gas is forced through your turbo, but through a small area. Physics, kiddies. This means the gas is moving at a faster rate. The venturi effect. Now since the exhaust is moving at a faster rate, that means your pinwheel is spinning faster. Which in turn, means your compressor side pinwheel is spinning faster, and providing more air. You can get this same effect by putting a bigger pinwheel in, in theory. But considering the bore that the pinwheel sits in is machined roughly to size, getting a bigger pinwheel just translates to a whole new turbo. Think HX35 vs HX40. The HX35 is a smaller all around turbo than the 40, but the main difference, at least on the exhaust side, is the pinwheel. My new turbo, the outer dimensions are not much bigger than the stock WH1 that the truck came with. You'd look at my turbo and think its not much of an upgrade. The difference is, my turbo has a massive pinwheel compared to the stock turbo. My exhaust housing looks to be roughly the same size as stock.



Heres the catch. Putting a smaller housing on makes your stock pinwheel spin faster, true. Putting a bigger pinwheel in stock size housing makes the pinwheel spin faster, true. The difference? When you put a smaller housing on, you in essence decrease how much gas can squeeze through with the given pressure from the motor pushing it. A bigger pinwheel with a stock size housing allows you to force roughly the same amount of gas through AND spins the pinwheel faster.



Why can't you tow with a 14cm? The smaller the housing, the more pressure build up you get. Which, as I said, spins the pinwheel faster. But the other problem is you can actually build too much pressure too fast. When you motor is under a load, it puts out more smoke. More smoke is being forced through the turbine, and pressure builds up. Now put a trailer behind it. Big load on your motor. More smoke. More pressure. 14cm housing? less room for that pressure to get out. Eventually your gonna blow up your pinwheel, or some terrible other twist of fate that will leave you stranded and upset.



As far as the outlet of the turbo, that flange that the downpipe fits up to, bigger is better. For the most part anyway. A bigger opening lets the gases exit out faster and lets the pinwheel spin faster. Why is this different than the housing? Picture a garden hose. Squeeze it together at one spot. The same amount of water now needs to run through a smaller spot. In that particular spot, the speed of the water is faster. Nevermind anywhere else on the hose, because yes, it will slow a bit. But where you squeezed it the water is running faster in that kink. Now put another kink in it further down the line. The water will slow down everyone else on that line. Yeah, it'll speed up at the new kink, just like the first one did. Picture the first kink is your exhaust housing. The turbine is in it. Without the kink, the turbine spins normal speed. Now put the kink in. The turbine speeds up. Thats all you need. But if you put another kink in further down, it'll slow that turbine down again. The same theory works if the second kink is upstream from your turbine... the exhaust manifold. You want gases to be free flowing eveywhere except for at the turbine, there you want to restrict them... somewhat.



In our next lesson, we'll talk about the compressor side. Right now though, my hands are cramping and my eyes hurt.
 
hhaha, whoa there matt... . my hats off to you brother. well done. i apreciate the lesson, i already knew some of it, but overall great stuff. sounds like i want the 16cm. replacing the exhaust housing is relativly simple, correct? ive changed out a compressor wheel in a powerstroke garrett turbo in the past. all i have to do is unbolt the hot wheel (exhaustside) and remove the housing right???



i look forward to the next lesson... keep up the good work teacher :-laf
 
Jeez, must be the price went up! :eek: Used to be 150 for a 16 housing. I'd check around some. BD, Diesel Manor, etc.
 
ya no i would assume this is all thanks to the cost in fuel being jacked up through the roof... the cost of metal has gone crazy! a sheet of 4'x8' 1/4" diamond plate was bout $80 round here last fall. now its near $160! thank you Enviromental Protection Agency#@$%!



"al those dirty diesel trucks are killing the enviroment:rolleyes: so lets make a fuel thats 'cleaner' and help save the o-zone, and while we're at, lets make sure it is TERRIBLE for the engines, and dont forget, it has to cost as much as pure gold!!!" could they be any more worthless!!????!??!#@$%! :-laf:-laf:-laf
 
ahhh, democrats... . cant live with 'em, cant... ... hmm, I think that one ends there... .





Now that I may have alienated myself from 50% of the population.



I like messing with tree huggers and raging liberals, because most of them are so uneducated on everything they talk about, its ridiculous. I had a buddy who was like that, so I used to tell him that every time I hit the accelerator, a tree dies. Then I put the stacks on and told him that was so I could shoot the pollution straight up into the Ozone.



We don't talk anymore... We had a big arguement over... I guess the "meaning of life" in his estimation in which he told me that he reads books to find meaning in life and to find his way through life. It ended when he told me I didnt do anything with my life because I didnt go to college. I kicked him out of my truck and told him that me "not doing anything with my life" is what paid for his dinner, beers, and for the fuel that drove us around all night.



I assume he read a book when he got home and did himself the favor to Al Gore's little movie about global warming.
 
hhhhahaahah, Godbless ya matt!

brother i couldnt agree more. my dad works for the dept. of agriculture. he's the man that goes between the cotton farmers and the government. you wouldnt believe the bogus BS they give the usda about pesticides and other treatments. they just dont get it ya no. ill have to resrain my self because i could really go in for hours about this.



let me say this tho, see if you agree (i dont want to turn this thread into a political discussion cause i have a lot of injector pump questions still but we'll get back to that later) i feel that if one of the democrats get elected this next term (i dont say their names, i consider them vulgarities), there will be another civil war. not the north and south this time, but the right and left, liberal vs. conservative. especially if that Mr. martin luther king jr. wannabe gets in. itll get VERY ugle Very fast. the michael moores of this country under estimate the power of the people. we wont just sit by and let our government go totally communistic on us. we will fight. armigeden may be near, but i dont really care. it will be fun to be a part. :-laf
 
The way this election is going so far, I'm ready to start lookin for vacant land in Canada. Puff, thats your stomping ground, aint it? Book me up something with a view.



Anyway, as far as it goes, I'll help you all you need Jimmy, but I'm not sure you picked the best teacher here. Theres a lot of guys that are a lot smarter than me around here, and even have already posted in this thread. I'll tell you anything you need to know, as far out as my knowledge goes, but when it really boils down, I'm just really good at MacGyver-ing everything I do. The Master Half A**er.



"I know a little 'bout it, but, baby, I can guess the rest. " -Skynyrd
 
i thought about hittin the hills of canada. but im born an raised in the south land, this is my home and this is where ima stay. and trust me theres a lot more like me that wont budge, so i think itll be alright :D long live the Confederacy :) "im rebel born, rebel bred, when i die, ill be rebel dead!" :-laf



well i apreciate your humbleness matt, but i do have a lot to learn from you and everybody else on here, thats why i love this place and these people. i look forward to the fall when i become mechanic for Detroit and start diesel school, then i may be of some more help to yall on here.
 
I'm gonna put my . 02 in here, then I think we better get back to business. You notice the high fuel prices? Notice the way this country's going? Did you know there is a repulican in the white house the past 8 years? ;)



I got my housing local for 150, but that was a few years ago. I'd look in the back of the TDR mag at the business cards, go to the websites, and check prices. Liberator Diesel in Pa had them reasonable, not sure if they still do. I can get them off cores at work once in a while, I'm watching for one now. Of course, we haven't gotten any since I been looking! :mad:
 
i cant argue with you an that one pete... .



but yea, back to buisness here, i think the cheapest ill find is PDR so i better nab one of those before the shoot up even more. probly sometime in May.
 
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