Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Head removal

[blacksheepdiesel]

Heck no WyBoy, just rip those head bolts out in whatever order, will not have any effect.

Godspeed,
Trent

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

Well, I took my time and let em out easy... I guess in hopes i would find a nice clean hole burned in the piston making the repair easy. No such luck. That 3rd piston is a glob of nasty, melted aluminum. The cylinder is scored pretty good too. I'm gonna have a guy look at it tomorrow to tell me if the cylinder can be salvaged or if I need to scrap it and start all over again.

Can i bore the cylinder and sleeve it if it proves to be too bad?

Also, there is a bunch of carbon build up on the top of the cylinder near where it meets the head. a few of the other cylinders werre the same way... . what is that about? The rest of the pistons/cylinders are in good shape.

 

[rkressg]

The blocks can be bored and sleeved. Not a major deal (other than pulling the block).

I would check around, there are places to get Ceramic coated pistons (for heat) with Teflon coated side walls. A placed called Diesel Injection in Pittsburgh sells these items. I am almost certain they have these items for the B-Blocks (they usually deal with large engines).

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

What are the chances of doing in this in 5 days??? I have a hunting trip planned and would love to drive myself!!

 

[Huff N Puff]

Start pulling the Radiator, intercooler and A/C condensor

What are the chances of doing in this in 5 days??? I have a hunting trip planned and would love to drive myself!!

Cancel the hunting trip,start pulling the block out. :{

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

No single cylinder repair?

 

[Huff N Puff]

When you burn a hole thru the piston.

No single cylinder repair?

You've got to go thru the whole engine, to get the slag and debris out of the pan. You've got to inspect all the cyl. walls some of that slag may get on the exhaust valves,turbocharger needs inspection. You need to rebuild the engine.

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

So what if I inspect it all and got lucky? (or had God lookin out for me) How many of you have done single cylinder repair? I know rebuilding would be the best choice, but I am just a school teacher and a first year teacher at that. I have yet to begin paying student loans or start paying for my broken pelvis in June.

I understand that a total rebuild would be best, but unless needed, it's just not feasible for me at this time.

 

[DCreed]

I guess in hopes i would find a nice clean hole burned in the piston making the repair easy. No such luck. That 3rd piston is a glob of nasty, melted aluminum. The cylinder is scored pretty good too.

Also, there is a bunch of carbon build up on the top of the cylinder near where it meets the head. a few of the other cylinders werre the same way... . what is that about?

How did this happen? Your sig shows a fairly stock truck.

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

How did this happen? Your sig shows a fairly stock truck.

split injector tip... .

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

So what if I inspect it all and got lucky? (or had God lookin out for me) How many of you have done single cylinder repair? I know rebuilding would be the best choice, but I am just a school teacher and a first year teacher at that. I have yet to begin paying student loans or start paying for my broken pelvis in June.

I understand that a total rebuild would be best, but unless needed, it's just not feasible for me at this time.

Well, school teacher or not, I am going to have to rebuild the whole thing. I guess the scoring is bad enough that it needs to be bored and sleeved. I will do most of the work myself but have a friend who owns a machine shop and he will do the boring and any millwork that needs to be done. I also have some bent valves and who knows what else. I won't know for sure until I get it all pulled out and torn down. Hopefully I'll have it in to his shop by Wed. and he can have 6 days (my hunting trip where I'll be driving the buick... ) to check.

So, that being said and provided we can salvage alot of the parts like 5 good pistons, crank shaft, etc. , what are some good AFFORDABLE improvements/upgrades? I have read alot about ARP head studs and all kinds of cool things, but maximin HP is not my goal. I will be pulling horse trailers mostly and alot of everyday driving. I do not need a sled puller nor do I need to spend multiple thousands of dollars if I can avoid it. I am thinking a basic rebuild... ... I could use some good ideas... .



thanks alot guys

NP

 

[blacksheepdiesel]

WyBoy,

Dad gum it! I hate to hear that you are going to have to rebuild the entire engine!

Going by what you stated above about how you will use the truck you really don't need head studs or any other aftermarket internal with the possible exception of a camshaft. If your cam is ruined I would get an F1 to slide back in - assuming the cam bores are good. BlackSheep has pulled trailers for half of it's 680,000 miles and the engine is as stock as they come (considering the internals of the engine). Do check the head bolts for stretch and replace any head bolts that are not in spec. When I replaced the headgasket on BlackSheep I put in all new head bolts.

Godspeed,
Trent

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

I should also state that even though I usually go the speed limit or not much over, Wyoming and the surrounding states where I will be hauling has many, many steep grades and I love to be able to set the cruise and go. I was able to that before across I-80 with the just the occasional slow down to avoid high egt's.



Maybe I should try to stay as stock as possible? I haven't even seen the cost of rebuild kits, and I guess I'm not even for sure what all parts I need..... I guess I need to stop typing and get to the shop!

 

[DCreed]

How about an engine swap? There are a lot of 24v's out there that need a home and all you need is a long block. Really stinks that all that damage was caused by a simple injector tip!

 

[DCreed]

this may give you an idea or not.
eBay Motors: Dodge Cummins Truck 5. 9L 24v Diesel Engine Rebuild Kit (item 260295255915 end time Oct-12-08 15:53:37 PDT)
eBay Motors: cummins 5. 9 diesel long block engine assembly 24valve (item 330277024675 end time Oct-13-08 06:40:58 PDT)
eBay Motors: 2001 Dodge Cummins 5. 9L 24 Valve HO Vin "7" Engine (item 280274812155 end time Oct-13-08 13:53:39 PDT)

 

[Wyomingcowboy]

That's awesome!, thanks. I wonder if either of those are a "53" block?



I will definitly look at going that route. My only problem is $$ up front... .



Also, what would lower compression pistons do?

 

[AllianceDiesel]

just swap engines your gonna save yourselft money in the end, and you need special tools to pull the cam and to replace it.

 

[dsherman]

How about an engine swap? There are a lot of 24v's out there that need a home and all you need is a long block. Really stinks that all that damage was caused by a simple injector tip!

Anyone know how the injector tip would split and cause all this damage ?

I'm assuming when the injector tip split The fuel just poured into the number five cylinder? Did it hydro lock and blow a hole in the top of the piston ?

 

[DEdwards]

Call the guys a Pittsburg Power and tell them what you are doing. They have the parts you need, and know what to put in and how to do it.



Listen to them, they KNOW Cummins.

 

[Huff N Puff]

I would not go with a used engine

That's awesome!, thanks. I wonder if either of those are a "53" block?



I will definitly look at going that route. My only problem is $$ up front... .



Also, what would lower compression pistons do?

Unless you can see it run, and even that is risky. My suggestion is keep forging ahead,if you take the time to do it right you will get great satisfaction when you fire it up. Pick away at it slowly, get something done each week,don't rush it,find a way to enjoy the challenge,remember nothing ventured nothing gained.