Competition how would this stack up against the competition

[tpruitt]

i have a 2001 ho that has all the air upgrades for the hx35. i have a 14 housing Scotty air two and the high ram intake. i am getting ready to switch to the TTPM i think. i also have DD2 in the truck. i will have a southbend con ofe by the next pull. how do you think this truck would do at a local truck pull. It maily just a bunch of stock truck in the class with probably minor upgrades if any. A ford won last time and i am trying to keep that form happening again. Thanks for yawls thoughts

trey

 

[Rob Thomas]

Well, if it were me, I'd pawn off the high-ram (doesn't have any performance value) and put that money, and the money you have for your new clutch, and get a real pulling clutch, Mitchell dual disk. Unless you like the smell of burnt clutch.



Later, Rob

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Trey,

Rob gave you good advice on the clutch, sell it now as it has value. One bungled pull and it will be toast, add more power and it will be toast regardless :{. I disagree on the high ram, my experience is that it is benefical after you reach a high cfm flow.

Larry

 

[777 MECHANIC]

I did some dynoing a few months back, with the High Ram and with the stock horn. With no other changes, I lost 10-15 HP on all three runs with the High Ram. Correction factor was the same on all runs. That was proof enough for me to remove mine and sell it.



MikeD

 

[DSteinel]

I agree with Rob, With those big tires and some power that street clutch will not hold. With a pulling clutch you should be very competitive against the trucks you were talking about Oo.

 

[tpruitt]

is the $900 difference worth it. i mean if i go with the michell clutch then i will have to keep the banks and run it with the DD2. with this set upi should be at or clos to 400hp at the rear wheels. if you all this this is a better set up for al around let me know. the other thing is how streetable is that Twin clucht. i have heard mixed things about it and i am just courious what the word on it. the other thing that is the problem is that i only have $1500 to spend on a clutch. i know these clutches list for 1700 but i dont know if Enterprise engine will deal a little. if you all say go this route then i guess i will. i trust what you guys have to say. i guess the short throw shifter will have to wait.



Does the mitchell come with everything needed to put it in. i know everything with the SB is included i just hope the Mitchell is the same way.

thanks

trey

 

[Roger rodbolt]

Trey,

Please understand that we are not trying to deprive you of money for bombs but to save you the money that you will be forced to spend after you smoke your present clutch... ... If you sled pull in 1rst gear on the high side or second gear low your single disc clutch may last... ... but you will lose to the Powrstroke! A good clutch will allow you to pull in a faster gear and put the 'stroke to shame.

My Mitchell clutch is very very streetable. Smooth engagement, great for trailer towing, awesome holding power for pulling. Negatives are that it makes a tinny noise when the clutch pedal is depressed and that it costs more then a single disc clutch. (actually it costs less because you only buy one time, not every time you bomb to exceed the torque limit or every time you smoke your single disc trying to be competitive) The Mitchell clutch includes a flywheel, pressure plate, two friction discs and floater plate. The parts are assembled and machined balanced as an assembly before shipping. I doubt that you can negociate the price. The only other dealer available pulling clutch costs more and doesn't compare in durability or power. I ordered two Mitchell cluthes today and two new NV5600's for conversions that I'm doing... ... good stuff . Larry

 

[Rob Thomas]

Trey,



I agree with everything Larry said, and also, you can tow without any problems with the Mitchell clutch, and reverse with a trailer is a breeze. The only guys who give negitive responces to the Mitchell clutch, never had one.



Later, Rob

 

[South Bend Clutch]

Not just yet boys!!!



I will have a double disc available in less then two weeks. Soft pedal and no clatter with a high plate load. Ours will have a 3190 plate load. Our center plate will be . 375 thick. Our flywheel will be steel and it will be lugged and strapped for quick release. Our disc hubs will be 3/8" thick. The pressure plate will be ductal iron. Most important is there will not have to be any modification to the bell-housing and clutch fork. You will not have to grind the bolts down and you will not have to adjust the clutch once installed, ours will be a direct fit.





On another note,

What cracks me up about you guys is that you are so sure that he will smoke the clutch if it is a single disc. He is not even trying to get to your level of competition. (power or amount of pulls) Even though I don't want or advertise my single as a pulling clutch it is being used as such. They even know I will not warrenty ANYTHING but still do it. The good folks in Utah 15 to 20 of them used our clutch all season. One guy has over sixty pulls on the same clutch. Ken Jones of Diesel Performance has 30 pulls on his. Granted they may not be at the same level as you two but they are having fun. I have seen guys pull hard with stock clutches and still drive home. I have also seen guys pull with Mitchels clutch and not drive home. NOTHING IS INDESTRUCTIBLE. Please don't try and convince people that it is there last clutch no matter what they do. I would be glad to supply a list of people that have broken their clutch but I don't think I need to go there. I am also sure that my double disc will have its fare share of problems, but that is just the nature of the sport of sled pulling/drag racing. I will never advertise it as the end all. Just because someone says "sled pull" dose not mean they have to spend 1700 to 2500 dollars plus labor on a clutch. Instead, you should be telling him of all the other damage that can ocure when you sled pull. Anyone who dose it knows there is more to it then a clutch and some mods. What about the yoke and drive shaft and the rear end and differential and frame and transmission and whatever. You are pulling a 50,000lb sled down a dirt track until it stops the truck.



Sorry I rambled on,



Peter

 

[tpruitt]

looks like i will be getting the new SB clutch. This is the one i was waiting for. I am glad they are making one i was not real sure of the Mitchell. I am sure the Mitchell is a good clutch but think that SB has a better Reputation around the TDR site.

later



Trey

 

[Rob Thomas]

Uh oh, this should be fun.



Later, Rob

 

[Rob Thomas]

Peter, I didn't notice any mention of a "sprung hub(s)"?



BTW, I didn't modify my bell housing, and my pedal isn't any stiffer than stock. If he (or whoever) is going to sled pull, I would think he (or whoever) would have some sence that he (or whoever) is doing damage to his (or whoevers) truck, wouldn't you agree?



later, Rob

 

[BFC]

Originally posted by tpruitt

I am sure the Mitchell is a good clutch but think that SB has a better Reputation around the TDR site.

later



Trey

Maybe the reason is that street trucks outnumber pull trucks 2000 to 1. Ask around the pulls about the Mitchells, see what kind of answer you get. Don't get me wrong, Peter deserve all the respect in the world and makes a great product but when you talk about pullin'... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... . \



Glenn

 

[StakeMan]

This should be different than the auto transmission threads.



Here come the EE boys with thier pom, poms. :-laf

 

[BFC]

Originally posted by StakeMan

This should be different than the auto transmission threads.



Here come the EE boys with thier pom, poms. :-laf

Looks like the purple pom poms have already showded up!:-laf :-laf :-laf

 

[StakeMan]

Originally posted by BFC

Looks like the purple pom poms have already showded up!:-laf :-laf :-laf

I thought wolves always traveled in packs?:-laf

 

[BFC]

Originally posted by StakeMan

I thought wolves always traveled in packs?:-laf

Not when they buy the stuff and don't advertise in their sig... .

 

[Sled Puller]

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300 hp, or even the stock TP slid ahead, is enough to destroy a single disc clutch.



Now, with that said, I am glad he has made this clutch, as competition in any market is a good thing, and I respect his past street clucths, (95% customer satisfaction is a good thing) if not his posts! I sent Peter an e-mail the other day that said this:



"Hi Peter!

As you may know, or may not know, I won a 50% off any SBC Gift Certificate at Kaufmanns dyno day. I had every intention of getting a clutch for our hauler. Unfortunately (?), as of yesterday, we aquired a 1999 Dodge automatic.



A week before, a friend of mine who is a dealer for Piers was talking to him about getting a clutch to sled pull with. Piers said he had a dual disc puller available. I assumed it was a SBC, and told him to hold off buying one, until I checked with you, and made sure I was not going to need the coupon.



Do you have any problem with me giving him my coupon (and I do mean give, not sell) for a pulling clutch?"





Well? How about it Peter? He is at 450 hp this year, all Piers parts, it will be a good test.

 

[Sled Puller]

Originally posted by South Bend Clutch

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The good folks in Utah 15 to 20 of them used our clutch all season. One guy has over sixty pulls on the same clutch. Ken Jones of Diesel Performance has 30 pulls on his. Granted they may not be at the same level as you two but they are having fun.

Peter

Show me a guy with 60 pulls on a single disc, and I'll show you a guy who has bald tires and uses low gear!!!



I made a Centerforce and a DRE last quite a while at 300hp, with 245s, I went to 285s, and it was a whole new ball game. Had to nurse them along.



I would love to see those single discs launching at 4000rpm and 60+# of boost ON ENGAGEMENT. For those of you that don't understand engagement, it means floor the throttle, then let the clutch out.

They are only kidding themselves, and are getting beat by stock Fords, no doubt.

 

[South Bend Clutch]

Hi Gene, I was going to call you today about that coupon. Yes, you can give it to your friend for the double disc. 50% off any clutch should include this one. That is an awesome thing to do for your friend, or the worst thing.



We haven't got all the numbers put together yet but it is probably going to be a few bucks more not less.



I would not be so bold as to state such facts if I did not have one of theirs sitting on my floor. We have done all the test and readings to it and again I will stress... . it is a good sound clutch!!! We think we have made some good improvements with ours but you are right, time will tell. Your right, competition is good. Lord knows I have a ton of it. By the way, ours is nothing like theirs in looks or design, or Haisley's for that matter, only that it is a double disc.



Peter