i have the scoop on the lift pump problem

[csutton7]

Vaughn--tapping into the overflow off of the tank fill is relatively easy for a separate return-the overflow turns into a 3/4" od rubber line and -08 hose will slip into it along with a socketless -08 fitting which slips into the -08 hose & can be attached to a 1/2" brass tee and this won't jeopardize the VP44(you need two -08 socketless fittings, the tee, 6" pc of -08 hose and 2 clamps and then whatever you decide to do from the regulator to the tee is your own decision--but if you go socketless it's much easier-as we all know--but you'll need on more -08 socketless fitting to attach your return to the tee--this is the easiest way to do it IMHO--

Now that MM has shown us what the tank head looks like(MM we need to know what fitting will work in that extra port), why not use that extra port and use a wye,-06/-06/-08(if we can find one) to feed our pumps(-06 line from OEM port & -06 line from new port into the wye/tee and then -08 out to the prefilter and -08 to the pump & so on), otherwise we could use a tee(wye would be a lot less restrictive)--BRANDON can you find this animal--I think you'll want to add a pre-pump filter since this extra port has no filter on it, but maybe we don't have to, any comments---chris

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[Brandon]

only problem with rubber return line is the fact that it deteriorates, just ask the 12v guys or search tdr on 12v return line replacement, I know, I have done 2 return lines on 12v and looked at many others they are all cracked, and when they break, fuel goes everywhere especially with the mechanical fuel pumps, he he he
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[Mopar-muscle]

Originally posted by arar:
Hey! I found that thread about drilling out the banjo fittings. It's 3/16 not 3/8". Check it out> http://dodgeram.org/ram_frame.html

i had a hard time finding this , didn't see an "articles" header ???

also , where did you see drilling out the bolt to 3/8ths ??? on this thread 3/8ths is relating to fuel pickup , not banjo bolt size , or did i miss something , and put in a typo ???

i also responded to your heads up on the article in the other thread you put this on , thanks for the heads up , maybe i will email dave f if he don't see this so he can correct the mistakes .

 

[MCrossley]

I was reading this thread and of course agree with needing bigger lines, and then was thinking, you guys are looking for some larger fuel filters, check out www.westmarine.com and look at their diesel fuel filters, these are canister types that are for small all the way to large comercial boats and maybe one of them could work out for this project? I know you could find them cheaper somewhere else but at least maybe get some thoughts rolling.

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[Brandon]

I can get steel and alluminum 8an weber adaptors made by a racing machine shop, about 300 for 50 what do you all think?

I think steel and hog it out alot
would be best
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[Mopar-muscle]

brandon , that would work pretty well , i also have another member (Ray T) in the machine shop field that that posted on the banjo bolt thread about making the bolts , good price , maybe he could do better for a larger qty , anyone try to contact aeroquip or parker to see if they have any interest ?

i emailed areoquip .



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[work2muchplay2little]

Here's another source for BOMBing the fuel system with commercial grade fuel filters.
http://www.maesco.com/products/racor/racor.html

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[Blkdawdg]

I put a BG220HR on my truck but now you guys have me paranoid about the fuel pickup and the rest of the lines. I'm wondering what is the easiest way to increase the size of the pickup into the tank and also is it possible to just run one line with no connections from inside the tank to my pump which is now nestled underneath the skid plate?

 

[Brandon]

help me with the interest in this fitting and we can see how many we need, bottom line is he can do whatever we need, just needs to see what wty we need and then will price accordingly
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[Mopar-muscle]

work2much , thanks for the link , racor has filters that will work perfectly , they have 120 gph , one that is over 200 gph with 1 psi restriction , in bowl fuel heater and water in fuel sensor . plus i like the spin on feature , i have a small one of these in my sailboat and its easy to change .

blkdemon , don't be paranoid ... yet ... whats your BOMBed level ???? the 3/8ths pickup is good to 500 plus hp ... at the rear wheels , sportbike has gone to this with the stock pickup . heres a good question for joe donnelly to answer , what is the pickup size he is using in sickly with that HP level he has ?

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[Blkdawdg]

I want to go along with the experiment but I also don't want to get stuck somewhere because my pump has blown. I'm considering having a spare in the truck for that very reason.

My bombed level is pretty high. With DD3's, HX-40, blue box and 4" exhaust I don't want to starve the demon in any way. I will eventually add -10AN lines and try to remove the filter.

I see that BG has a high performance filter housing for any of you guys who are looking to add one. I already drilled out my banjos to 1/4 and I would like to remove them entirely if I can. ( and they will be removed whenever I switch over to -10 AN lines)

I plan on adding twins soon so I will need all of the fuel that I can get. A P7100 May even be in my future, who knows?

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[csutton7]

Blackdemon--the extra pump is just plain smart for everybody cuz ya never know when these electric things are going to shut down and leave you stranded, I've been thinking the same thing--(I do still have the Holley)

I saw the BG filter, but also saw a spin on filter made for all types of fuel and it was a water separator filter which is what we need--Perma-Cool--same JEGS page as the BG filter-just need to find the head--I think NAPA has one--This setup would be great, as you could go directly to the VP44 from you pump, but for the guys in colder climates you'd still need to go thru the heater which if you removed the filter may or may not cut down on restriction--those ports are killing us--but we are gaining on 'em----chris

 

[csutton7]

just called AERO TANKS to see if they would add a port down low for a pump feed---and they can't--gov. regulations say no, no ,no-but they will weld on a 10 ga. pc of aluminum on the front(or wherever you want) and then a person could tap it themselves---but hey I think we could do this on the stock tank too--chris

 

[JR2]

Brandon - Put me down for a set of the -8an to webber fittings.
Actually put me down for a complete set of -8AN lines with one test port once you get the fittings.




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[Mopar-muscle]

chris , you could use that extra port we talked about with the 5/16's as a return , snap off the nipple and drill it for a bulkhead , of pop it out and replace with a machined piece with a right angle fitting and a tube inside that runs down into the tank .

as far as the bulkhead for a pickup , i thought about the sump thing like the gas racers use , then remembered again about the water in the fuel issue . so bottom mount is bad . again , the factory pickup is looking good .

oh i looked at the racor stuff again , the 110 gph filter is over 12 inches in height #ad
maybe there is other sources , need to find out what the micron rating is of the stock fleetgards we use is . 10 micron ???

 

[Brandon]

Mopar, Chris what are we gonna do with the 8an weber adaptors, we can go steel and have them really hogged out????
what about your source mopar??????


What are we gonna do, WE are all getttin flooded with email, saying lets get this figured out for good, he he he

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[csutton7]

Blackdemon--no cheating--in the name of R & D you must leave your setup as is so we can compare it to my setup when I get it complete-for longevity & ????-but if you want to upgrade I sure can't stop ya and would advise you do it, especially do a separate return line--now for you guys who don't like my return line setup maybe MM can tell us if we can drill out the tank module and add a fitting there for a return or when I get Ted J. 's tank module I'll tell you if this can be done to Ted's module(Ted says his can be drilled out)---
chris

 

[csutton7]

if you're gonna do it right--steel hogged out with a couple of extra fittings to get you to the -08, no questions asked, as this will give the volume needed--but if you go thru the filter this doesn't make a lick of sense--then weber fitting will help but to what degree--still thinking---chris

 

[Arcticat]

Well I finally got the Summit pump hooked up today. So far I would say that it is a major success! I shot a whole roll of film and I'm getting it developed onto disk so I can post it all. I should have it back in a day or two and then I'll post a detailed report about fittings, tips, etc with plenty of pics. In the meantime, I'll give you just the vital stats: with all -8 hoses and no restriction anywhere less than 11/32, I am getting 15psi at idle and cruising. With 275injectors, double hot Poweredge, and an EZ producing 45psi of boost, I CANNOT make this pump drop below 13psi! If this proves to be a pump that will last, it could be just right for our needs.

Brandon, have you asked your machinest about doing a 90 deg fitting? This will be alot harder to produce in a lathe, and thus more expensive I think. If you have been quoted on something other than a 90deg fitting I don't see the point of getting it made, as the Parker 12mm to 1/4NPT female adapter is already available and works fine. Also I would suggest you make the line from the injection pump to the filter housing and the line from the filter housing to the aftermarket pump in SS with the ends already on. The section of the frame rail right in front of the tank and behind the transfer case skidplate is the best location for the pump. This is where Chris and I have put ours. You could measure a few trucks but I'll bet the length of the hose from the filter housing to this location will be the same on all the different cab and bed combo's. Then from the new pump back to the tank do that line with fuel injection line and barbed fittings. This will allow people to cut this to length themeselves if they don't want to mess with cutting braided line and finishing to the length they need. Also it will save about $25-30 bucks in hose an fittings at least. You need rubber and hose calmps to tap onto the stock fuel pickup anway. I think rubber will work fine, the reason it was a problem in the 12v's I think was because it was to close to the manifold and thus subject to heat deterioration. In fact you might offer a whole kit in rubber after all the only differenct is looks and some people will not carea about that. Under that pretty SS cover is regular fuel injection line, and it costs a fortune.

Evan, I would give the stock pickup a shot before you invest big bucks in the 1/2" pickup. I've been over and over it in my head and I just can't see the point in making the supply line over two and a half times bigger in terms of cross sectional area than your restrictions at injection pump and filter housing. Unless you are prepared to ditch the stock filter housing and drill and tap your injection pump, I think it's a waste of time.

 

[Evan A. Beck]

Those were my thoughts exactly... I will keep the stock pickup, but will run 08 lines the whole way.

Brandon, put me down for 3 08 to 12mm adapters. I am going to start a new thread, asking who wants the fittings.