I'm swithing from DTT to ATS, need tests to compare

[Mopar-muscle]

well we're waiting



garret is right on , i have a daily driver , sort of race truck , its no fun to tow with at low speeds and with an HX40 that doesn't build boost till 1600 rpm ...

 

[Joel Richards]

Originally posted by Chipstien

Uhmm, did I miss something? Joel could you please point out as to where I called ATS a liar or cheats? I have nothing against ATS... I have never used their products so how can I know what they are like?

Well, you are obviously on the war path, and you said the following to Chris.

Originally posted by Chipstien

Don't be quick to judge me as I am not trying to flame you or call you a liar..... I am merely bringing insight from the other side of the spectrum.

So, if you weren't flaming Chris or calling him a liar, who was the target for the flame and inference of lies? Most likely ATS, but there I go - makeing educated guesses again. I'm really not trying to put you down or flame you - I just need clarity to be sure that I know what is going on here.

Originally posted by Chipstien

The only reason I choose DTT in the first place was because they are 2 hours from my house and they had great feedback here on TDR. Otherwise I would have looked more carefully. Joel, if you could please enlighten me as to why I should call ATS when I do not need a new trans.

You would call just so you know all sides of the issue. Information is power. When you understand the issues, you are then qualified to give a point of view. No more assumptions - just hard facts! And, ATS is 40 miles from my house - it did help my decision, but not a whole lot. I would have happily driven to BC (I have relatives in Surrey) to have the work done by Bill if my choice was to go with a DTT.

Originally posted by Chipstien

However there are others that are running alot more HP than Chris that don't see anywhere near 500 rpm drop at WOT.

I'm one of those people - I just don't have the DTT. If I did have it, I would most likely be quite happy with it. As it stands, I have the ATS with 475 RWHP and have NO complaints. I don't see anywhere near 500rpm drop either - sounds like something funky going on with the Trans/TC/VB/Whatever.



It's apparent that ATS and DTT both have excellent products - just different applications. Again, do your homework if you intend to purchase, and make your own decision - whatever that decision may be based on you can feel good that you made your own choice, good, bad, or indifferent.



Joel

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Here are the FACTS (NO opinion):



1. Did I drive a total of 2400 miles to get my transmission repair? No. When I was there I told Bill to make the transmission as strong as he could- to spare no expense. Stefan is saying he did not do that.



2. Did I need ANY repair? No. The stock transmission was still working fine other than the slippage from adding the plate. It did not slip before the plate was changed.



3. At a stop in drive while not moving, it takes 3. 5 minutes for the temp to go from 180 to 220 degrees.



4. There is a 400 rpm (at least) difference between locked and unlocked in 4th gear at 70 mph. The rpm in 3rd (locked) is 2900. The rpm in 4th locked is 2000 rpm. UNLOCKED AT WOT: ~2400 rpm. If ya want to dig up a witness to verify this I'm game. I'm not stupid enough to mistake the 900 rpm drop from 3 to 4 for lockup. If I am NOT at wot the drop is less. If I am going faster the drop is less. If I am going slower the drop is more.



5. I am sick of this needless bickering over the facts.

:-{} #@$%! #@$%! #@$%! #@$%! :{



Any of you that say I can't provide a factual account of the change is accusing me of lying. That will not go over well with me. If I don't notice any difference in 1/4 mile times you will know about it, trust me. You will get numbers, black and white, facts that are separated from the opinions.



The only reason I am doing this is to help others decide which transmission they want. This is not for personal gain. Where else are you going to get a comparison between two of the most popular trannies we can get? If you want to blow this opportunity keep the war here up.



Just to prove I mean business and will HONESTLY try to provide you all with NOTHING BUT THE FACTS, I am willing to take on a partner (or two) for the tests. Anyone who lives in Salt Lake or close, give me a call at 801 556 8082 if you would like to help. That is my cell phone and I am available most of the time. If I can't pick up because I am at work or something, leave me a message and I will get back to you. Will that satisfy all of you non-believers?

:-{}

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Ok. I just signed on Lee Lindsay from Magna utah. He has nothing to do with any transmission company and is just unsatisfied with his stock trans. Anyone else around want to get in on this? I am willing to take as much time as necessary to answer all questions accurately.

 

[Pit Bull]

I think when my 100K mile bumper to bumper warranty is up I will go ahead and trade for a 6 speed

 

[Bob Wagner]

CC why waste your time to prove something when "most" everyone thinks you are FOS.



What do you have to gain?



You said you want something else, Go



This is getting sickening



Who GAS, move on go forward



God Bless

 

[Cummins Corvette]

Originally posted by Pit Bull

I think when my 100K mile bumper to bumper warranty is up I will go ahead and trade for a 6 speed

Maybe I will too at this point. lol All of those who think I am FOS can put a sock in it, mmmmmmmmmmkkkaaayyyyy? That is why I am enlisting the help of others who have no opinion one way or the other. I am not going to let the minority bunch of fools who think "I have DTT, therefore it is the best" ruin this for everyone else (bob). I think your opinion is valid and I respect that. Why can't you do the same for me bob, jim and others? Where have I said even once that everyone with a DTT trans should go and get an ats trans? If you like the DTT stuff then get it. Just don't rack on any other vendors, ok?

 

[John]

huh?

First of all Chris, on the first page of this thread you stated Stefan had a possible lapse in memory as to what was installed in your STOCK 47RE. For everyone else's benefit, Chris DOES NOT have a DTT transmission instead, he has a DTT modified transmission (i. e. , DTT 91% TC and VB)... BIG difference! The reason I know Stefan knew what he was talking about was the known fact that DTT creates a "profile" on EVERY transmission(/truck/owner) they personally modify. This includes any and all pertinent details applicable with the DTT upgrade (i. e. , condition of transmission, DTT components installed, power enhancements observed, tire dia. , axle ratio, mileage, type of intended usage, where vehicle is used... altitude etc. , as well as any recommendations made to the customer that were heeded or passed on etc. ). If a customer calls up at a later date with a problem they can refer to this sheet outlining all modifications done for a better understanding of what may have occured and more importantly, how to rectify it.



After talking with Bill I found out that he specifically recommended the 89% TC to you because of where your Ram will be operated mainly... Utah (i. e. , high elevation). Well, it sounds as if you went against better judgement and found out the hard way that you do NOT have the results you desired. Oh well, such is life. If you don't want to listen to the experts be preparred for possible disappointment. Heck, you're not alone here, I went against Bill's recommendation too, I was his first customer for their 93% TC. The only difference I see is that I have a combination that performs extremely well for me... in my driving situations and at my altitude (about the same as the DTT shop in Abbotsford, BC). Additionally, I didn't elect to go with the 93% TC blindly, Bill had installed their test 93% TC (the one Mopar-muscle has in his Ram now) in the DTT Ram several days prior to my arrival as he knew I was VERY interested in that particular model. Had I not driven the 93% TC I would have surely gone with Bill's advise, opting for the 91% TC.



Secondly, I don't think there is ANY WAY possible you could conduct a fair and impartial comparison between the DTT modified transmission and the ATS full-meal-deal transmission. I'm sure there are many others on this BB that would concur.



Thirdly, if you weren't going to take the advise of two seasoned veterans at their respective trades (Bill and Piers), why in the heck did you bother to travel so far in the first place?



Fourthly, I have the tightest production TC DTT makes... I have sat in a traffic jam for a solid hour (I might have moved five or ten feet ) and my SPA peak trans. temp recall exhibited a reading of 225 deg. F. Normally when in stop and go traffic I see a max. of maybe 190 deg. F. Generally, I see operating temps. in the 140-160 range. And BTW, this temp. is measured in the trans. cooler HOT line (this IS where the HOTTEST temps. possible are measured). Also noteworthy are the use of Amsoil's synthetic Universal ATF+4 and a Mag-Hytec Double Deep trans. pan.



I could go on but...



too many statements you have made within this thread have already raised my BS flag, so much so, I called Bill today to see just what the heck was going on. It doesn't sound to me that you have laid all the facts out on the table (so to speak) so everyone can get a clear picture of what transpired between you and DTT (and Piers for that matter).

 

[D. Showan]

CC, I don't think you are FOS, but I do think you need to tone down your rhetoric . All this bickering between the ATS and DTT fans is doing nothing good for either one of the companies.

 

[pwr2tow]

Chris,

Hang in there guy, The MOB tried to do the same thing to me when I was dissatisfied with DTT. The MOB will try anything to change this thread, and if all else fails they will try to get someone swearing or calling names so they can get the thread pulled. The mob tries to bombard you with all kinds of questions and misdirections, then adding their scenerio to confuss other readers that don't know alot about transmissions.



I just wanted you to know that there are people that support you and your efforts to report on a product that might not be all everyone thought it would be.



DTT and their supporters,

Are you guys really that afraid of the other products out there that you have to criticize and slame, try to discredit them. Every product that has come on line and even the ones that have been around for a long time have been put down by you guys. Face the truth, your product is not for everyone and everyone has the right to read and make a choice what is right for them through experimentation of others on this board.



I have said it for along time, I don't know why anyone would want only 89% efficiency when you can have 100% efficiency through lockup, and don't give me that garbage about transmission longivity.







Ron

 

[Hootguy]

Is it just me or this Cummins Corvette guy just love controversy.

First the stupid no plate thread,,,now this,,,

It seems this guy could be B. Sed into buying just about anything,,,,i have a lovely bridge in San Fransico for sale if your interested.

Attention deficit disorder sound familiar...

No one care s about your lame attempt at creating a transmission war ,,,,like that hasn't been done before,,,,,

It seems the best thing we can do is simply ignore this guy... he can't fight by himself..... so lets kill this thread now...

Most of us know that Bill's DTT trannies are pretty much the best,,,

The only possible reason you're not happy with your transmission is because you didnt listen to Bill's recommendations,,,,,i guess you must be one kickass transmission mechanic,,,,to be able to make your own decitions ... ... you just cant help a "no it all. "

oh,,,and what if theres another new kind of transmission in 6 months,,,,you'll probaly know more about that too,,,,,,

Hook line and sinker mean anything to ya????

good luck,,,you'll need it.

 

[pwr2tow]

Bob Wagner,

What do think Chris is trying to do, if you guys would stay out of the discussion or at least give some experiments for Chris to try,(That is what this thread is about) he could move forward.



Just like I was stateing in my post above.

If you cann't dazzle them with brilliance,

baffle them bull (manure) ****.



The salesman that has to talk down his competition has nothing to sell himself.



Ron

 

[John]

ronsram1999, I could care less about Chris's quest for a different transmission! I DO care about false statements made by him that may have been stated in what appears to me as self serving.



As most of you know, I AM a proponent of DTT... their products and their entire staff. I didn't even mention ATS in my previous, albeit, lengthy post. I'm not here to flame ATS, just to provide a little clarity to the topic at hand. You see, after reading all of Chris's posts within this thread, I noticed things I knew to be wrong, subsequently called Bill Kondolay, and he filled in the gaps.



All I can say to you Chris is this, I hope you are more satisfied with the ATS transmission.

 

[pwr2tow]

Just like I said earlier, already trying to get a vote to close the thread. :{



Ron

 

[pwr2tow]

John,

In your statement you comment that Chris only has a modified DTT transmission not a DTT transmission.



What's the difference if he has all the components installed in his transmission or all the components installed in someone elses transmission and then that transmission put in his truck, except cryoed shafts, which has nothing to do with his complaints? DTT takes transmissions from other people and rebuilds them and then sells them to other people just like every transmission company does, so whats the difference?



I see you had to call the man himself to get your information, maybe somethings are getting lost between translations or maybe it's just some of the same marketing garbage DTT has been useing all along.



Ron

 

[John]

Ron, I don't know if your last remark was meant for me or not but...



frankly, I could give a RA if the thread is closed, or whether it stays open!



As some of you have noticed, I haven't been on this BB much in the last several months or so... and for good reason...



the antagonistic BS is getting VERY tiring. Search back through every one of my (now) 3200+ posts, only several did I actually start (ok, less than approximately ten). I found it more fun helping others (when I could) however, more and more posting members have taken the fun out of being a contributing member anymore.

 

[D. Showan]

CC,

Let us know what the difference is in RPM betweeen full throttle non lockup and lockup at 70 mph (no other changes except the trans) with your ATS vs. current setup. Thanks

 

[Cummins Corvette]

I told you all the truth when I said I have a full DTT trans. If I do not, then Bill let me leave thinking I did. I told him to make the trans as strong as possible. Apparently he did not do that. I told Bill that I had 4300 dollars available at the time, and he said that I would be billed for what the trans needed, which was not much. Its only problem was a broken snap ring, which was, according to him, not much of a problem. This is all factual information. Let the MOB try to prove any of it wrong.

 

[Cummins Corvette]

As for the acusations of just trying to stir the pot... ... ... ... In the plate thread did anyone actually... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... never mind. What is the point?

 

[Cummins Cowboy]

When everyone wonders why everyone gets all stirred about about DTT and ATS I think it is only approiate to remember how all this controversy came about.