Industrial Injection Phat Shaft 66 Turbo

[KERMA]

A 13. 52 sec dial-in certainly isn't chopped liver. Not bad for just a box and injectors with a single charger. It looks to me like it delivers the goods.



Now if we can just get your RT a little faster...

 

[Cummins4Life]

A 13. 52 sec dial-in certainly isn't chopped liver. Not bad for just a box and injectors with a single charger. It looks to me like it delivers the goods.



Now if we can just get your RT a little faster...

Box + Injectors + larger single SHOULD do mid 13's. Aint chopped liver but it aint that special? Or am I missing somthing?



My 01 with M3's DComp and a tired PDR40 would click off 13. 4's all day long and thats definately not the most technologically advanced sinngle out there. :-laf

 

[Morse]

Lenny from Dynomite Diesel made 617 or 18 on diesel only, and 817 on nitrous with no correction factor. . Torque was in the 1200's on diesel, and 1500's on nitrous. . This was with the SP66. . He and others also said the truck had very little lag. . He pulled with it as well. .

 

[Morse]

The duramax and 6. 0 get in the 13's so easy that a truck needs to run at least 12's to really stand out. . Sad, but true... .

 

[Tomeygun]

Lenny from Dynomite Diesel made 617 or 18 on diesel only, and 817 on nitrous with no correction factor. . Torque was in the 1200's on diesel, and 1500's on nitrous. . This was with the SP66. . He and others also said the truck had very little lag. . He pulled with it as well. .

And this was with a HTT Sledpuller 66 ??



Wow, just wow... What year truck does he run?

 

[Cummins4Life]

What year truck does he run?

I believe its an 02 converted to a 12valve.

 

[CRoth - BD-Power]

Lenny from Dynomite Diesel made 617 or 18 on diesel only, and 817 on nitrous with no correction factor. . Torque was in the 1200's on diesel, and 1500's on nitrous. . This was with the SP66. . He and others also said the truck had very little lag. . He pulled with it as well. .

Keep in mind Lenny also runs a cam, which helps with spool up.

 

[BradyWilliams]

Phat shaft 66

We now have 50 turbos to sell. If interested contact www.industrialinjection.com

 

[Diesel Freak]

Just for the record, we do have the comp. maps! We have done extensive testing on 2nd gen. and 3rd gen. trucks. We do and would share information with people not interested in copying or giving information to their turbo buddies or posting it on diesel forums.

This is where I just don't understand the Diesel Performance Vendor Mindset.



In the gasser world, all the stuff I asked for is readily available.



What is the difference here?

 

[Fishin Guide]

Originally Posted by BrettWilliams

Just for the record, we do have the comp. maps! We have done extensive testing on 2nd gen. and 3rd gen. trucks. We do and would share information with people not interested in copying or giving information to their turbo buddies or posting it on diesel forums.

Great! Brett would you PM me the maps that you have? I need to continue my research!



Thanks!



Dave

 

[Jim Fulmer]

This is where I just don't understand the Diesel Performance Vendor Mindset.



In the gasser world, all the stuff I asked for is readily available.



What is the difference here?

I think its called reverse engineering the in the diesel world... ... . that's what it is known best for.



Jim

 

[Diesel Freak]

I think its called reverse engineering the in the diesel world... ... . that's what it is known best for.



Jim

R. E. is a fact of life regardless of the industry!!!!



The Diesel World needs to get over it!!!

 

[Fishin Guide]

I can understand why a vendor would want to keep some information secret. But, truth is, the reverse engineering taking place is by folks a lot smarter than me.



I am not trying to disect a product in order to pit one against the other or try to break the thing down so that I can build them in my garage and sell them on e-bay.



I just need as much practical and, really, basic info as possible in order to make a fair buying decision.



I'm sorry. But, a vendor saying that a product has great spool, or egt relief, or whatever does not tell you squat about the thing you are buying.



I guess the one thing that would make it easier is if the vendors had a full refund policy. That way, I can test everyones turbos and make my own conclusions. If thiers is the best, I will keep it. And, I won't require a map or any other info other than who do I call when it grenades?



Dave

 

[Diesel Freak]

Box + Injectors + larger single SHOULD do mid 13's. Aint chopped liver but it aint that special? Or am I missing somthing?



My 01 with M3's DComp and a tired PDR40 would click off 13. 4's all day long and thats definately not the most technologically advanced sinngle out there. :-laf

I think C4L hit the nail on the head here.





One thing I am having a hard time with is the ammount of air that is required to support 700 HP. CRoth stated a realistic spec for the required airflow, which btw, was much less conservative that my previous Cubic Crap Ton estimation.



How is it that a Turbo with a 66mm (2. 598 inch) inducer has the ability to support 700 HP i. e. move 120 LBM/min?

 

[Diesel Freak]

Take for instance a Garrett GT45R



Comp Housing A/R: . 66

Comp Inducer/Exducer/Trim: 2. 77"/3. 70"/56

Max Mass Flow: 85 LBM/Min



Max Diesel Powerplant Rating 600 HP

 

[Jim Fulmer]

I'm sorry. But, a vendor saying that a product has great spool, or egt relief, or whatever does not tell you squat about the thing you are buying.



I remember 3 years ago or so that a guy come on here saying that very thing but wouldn't/couldn't produce that maps to support it and still managed to sell allot of turbo's under his name even when he was only a vendor... ..... answer..... the B-1.





Next question on the 700 hp (even though I could careless)... ... ... ... ... how much power should a stock HX-35 support... ... . to me 500(no nitrous) is easy with one and I have a dyno sheet to prove it... ... ... that's at 40 psi!



Jim

 

[Diesel Freak]

heh heh nice try Jim.



Run that engine at that power level continuously for 2 to 5 minutes and let me know what happens.



That 500 HP is no where near useable.



A bone stock non hybrid HX35 is done at ~325-350 HP

 

[Diesel Freak]

I'm sorry. But, a vendor saying that a product has great spool, or egt relief, or whatever does not tell you squat about the thing you are buying.



I remember 3 years ago or so that a guy come on here saying that very thing but wouldn't/couldn't produce that maps to support it and still managed to sell allot of turbo's under his name even when he was only a vendor... ..... answer..... the B-1.





Next question on the 700 hp (even though I could careless)... ... ... ... ... how much power should a stock HX-35 support... ... . to me 500(no nitrous) is easy with one and I have a dyno sheet to prove it... ... ... that's at 40 psi!



Jim

I remember the Introduction of the B-1. Back then the Diesel Performance Market was, well, unsophisticated. Things have changes a little since then.



And for "my" impression of the B-1, it lit at a higher RPM (1800 vs. 1600) ran hotter EGT (1500+ vs. 1400) towed poorly, and smoked horribly around town compared to the HX40 I am currently running on my mildly fueled 474 HP truck.



Yes I know a HX40 is too small for my current power level.

 

[MDW]

Useable Horsepower VS Unuseable Horsepower that is the question.

People ask me all the time how much power can we make?

We can make a bunch but how are you going to apply it?

Towing or racing?

My twins pulled my 5th wheel trailer up a grade at 45+ lbs of boost at less than 1200 degrees, but the truck will run 11's in the 1/4 mile @ egt's that scare the hell out of you.

Yet I have the nephews truck running 13's with a 5 spd trans with very high egt's that would roast pistons if held for more than 13 seconds.



So instead of maps, how about they tell us what the useable horsepower is based on 1300 egt's? Put that turbo on a truck, put the truck on a load dyno and spool it up to 1300 egts and read the horsepower number.

State the conditions of the run and let everyone make there own decision.



Just my 2 cents.

Michael

 

[Diesel Freak]

Now why didn't I think of that!!!



I would like to add a few additional conditions to this "test".



Boost pressure and RPM @ the 1300F threshold.



RPM required to achieve 20 PSI of boost.



oh, we cant forget... . Dyno Correction Factor and induced load!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!