Industrial Injection Phat Shaft 66 Turbo

[Jim Fulmer]

Hum... . good stuff except I wasn't talking about sustained HP and neither were they, what was talked about was having enough air to burn the fuel required to make that much power.



I doubt HX-35 will not support 350 HP from what I've seen.



Even with my Twins at 60 psi I'd doubt it would support much more than 550 at 1300 degrees which you could hold for any time without the water getting hot, 1100-1150 might be a better number.



I don't do Maps or stuff like that, I'm too much of a Mechanic and common sense thinker..... if it works, use it, if it's too hot, back out, if your loosing, stay in it



Jim

 

[Diesel Freak]

With tighter emission standards coming, Diesel Performance (or lack thereof) needs to take a new approach to making power. The mindset of blindly adding fuel must go!!



Air/fuel ratios should start to become a concern. Above 18:1 and we are basicly smoke free. The closser to stoic (for a diesel it is 14. 5:1) EGT becomes crazy hot, and if all the fuel is burned, then NOx is a huge issue... this is why cooled EGR is now being used in some applications. Exhaust is just inert gas used to take up space. The more space between the N2 and O2 the lower the probability NOx will form. Yes adding more air to the mix also raises NOx.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Hum... . good stuff except I wasn't talking about sustained HP and neither were they, what was talked about was having enough air to burn the fuel required to make that much power.

True, but what use is power when you can not use it... other than as a Dyno Queen or for competition use.



I for one would love to be able to use 550 HP continuously. Shoot, I'm almost crazy enough to do it!!!

 

[BradyWilliams]

Phat Shaft smoke

One thing that I have not mentioned is that at May Madness when we recorded the hp (that we have mentioned many times) everyone that was there noticed that we did it with NO SMOKE. The truck that recorded 582hp had a very small amount of smoke. The truck with 530hp will meet emmisions in Utah. We have not tried passing emmisions with the truck with 582hp. Just for the record we started this turbo project because we felt that a single turbo could or should perform better than previuosly. We have installed water/methanol on the 582hp truck and that has proved to be a good addition. Lower egt's and more power. 1400-1450 max loaded at 4800 ft elevation. The truck with 530 hp runs below 1400 degs. and has towed a 28. 5 ft. / 9. 8 ft wide with two screws boat. NO ISSUES. The pyrometer thermocouple is installed in the exhaust manifold.

 

[CRoth - BD-Power]

With tighter emission standards coming, Diesel Performance (or lack thereof) needs to take a new approach to making power. The mindset of blindly adding fuel must go!!



Air/fuel ratios should start to become a concern. Above 18:1 and we are basicly smoke free. The closser to stoic (for a diesel it is 14. 5:1) EGT becomes crazy hot, and if all the fuel is burned, then NOx is a huge issue... this is why cooled EGR is now being used in some applications. Exhaust is just inert gas used to take up space. The more space between the N2 and O2 the lower the probability NOx will form. Yes adding more air to the mix also raises NOx.

Finally its all coming together on why we rate our twins for only 500HP. Yes you can pull out more power than that by over fueling and yes you can produce more power with a single charger by over fueling. But can you do it for a continious 2-3 mins. We rate our turbo kits where we feel that they are most effective and where the customer will not have any overheating problems.



Diesel Freak is correct in his comparison to the Garrett, 700HP requires a lot of air, even 66mm wheel is going to have a problem with that one. Again it is possible by overfueling but then you will run into an EGT problem. Besides that a 66mm wheel has alot of mass plus the mass of the turbine wheel (roughly 50mm to 60mm). Add that all together and you have just lost 300RPM of your 2000 RPM power band due to lag.



When comparing dyno testing EGTs to road EGTs, you have to consider if it was load dyno or inertia dyno. Plus dynoing 700HP then towing a 20,000 lbs trailer with the Edge Juice or TST now on level 1 is not the same.

 

[Cooker]

Finally its all coming together on why we rate our twins for only 500HP. Yes you can pull out more power than that by over fueling and yes you can produce more power with a single charger by over fueling. But can you do it for a continious 2-3 mins. We rate our turbo kits where we feel that they are most effective and where the customer will not have any overheating problems.

Do you rate your singles with the same idea in mind? I am specially asking about the 425HP the Super B is rated for.



Thanks,

Ryan

 

[CRoth - BD-Power]

Yes everything is rated conservatively. We actually rate the Super B for 400HP @ 45psi. Yes it will turn 60psi but its not very efficient at that pressure, plus you create way too much heat.

 

[BradyWilliams]

Rehat Shaft 66 Turbo

Just wanted to say thanks to BD performance for their interest in our turbo and also the comparison to their twin turbos.

 

[Jim Fulmer]

Sure would be cool to see what that turbo would do with a big bottom one pushing it and lots of fuel



Jim

 

[Tomeygun]

Just wanted to say thanks to BD performance for their interest in our turbo and also the comparison to their twin turbos.

So... this turbo is based upon a S300, correct?



And it has a 66mm front-end, right?



So whats the advantage over a HTT SP66? - I dont mean, "it spools really fast, and supports 700hp"



I mean a maybe a fancy wastegate, or a crazy modified exh. housing, or maybe a new-age designed impeller? I'm just looking for whats this turbo's "claim-to-fame"? (like the ATS aurora MTS, thats thinking outside the box)



Any outside-the-box stuff on this bad boy?

 

[lmills]

hmm jim, now ya got me thinking. So, when ya gonna try it?

 

[BHaner]

So... this turbo is based upon a S300, correct?



And it has a 66mm front-end, right?



So whats the advantage over a HTT SP66? - I dont mean, "it spools really fast, and supports 700hp"



I mean a maybe a fancy wastegate, or a crazy modified exh. housing, or maybe a new-age designed impeller? I'm just looking for whats this turbo's "claim-to-fame"? (like the ATS aurora MTS, thats thinking outside the box)



Any outside-the-box stuff on this bad boy?

That was my original question when I started this thread... . Wanted to know what was special about this one... .

7 pages now... and no answer.

 

[Diesel Freak]

Byron, it looks like you won't get a straight answer.



My guess is that a SP66 and a PS66 are basicly the same, and the manufacturers are playing on the TDR "flavor of the month" mindset to sell their turbo's.



Both are loosely based on S300's, Both were backordered at the same time, Both are now no longer backordered (hmm share similar parts?) both have a comp wheel with a 66mm inducer.



However no additional specs are given... so basicly it's still a crap shoot whether or not you will like this turbo any better than it's direct competition. So without any other info, the decision maker becomes price.



The cheapest one wins!!

 

[Diesel Freak]

Just wanted to say thanks to BD performance for their interest in our turbo and also the comparison to their twin turbos.

Do I smell hot ink on a corporate alliance?

 

[BHaner]

Byron, it looks like you won't get a straight answer.



My guess is that a SP66 and a PS66 are basicly the same, and the manufacturers are playing on the TDR "flavor of the month" mindset to sell their turbo's.



Both are loosely based on S300's, Both were backordered at the same time, Both are now no longer backordered (hmm share similar parts?) both have a comp wheel with a 66mm inducer.



However no additional specs are given... so basicly it's still a crap shoot whether or not you will like this turbo any better than it's direct competition. So without any other info, the decision maker becomes price.



The cheapest one wins!!

You know what we should do? Get HTT and Industrial injection to supply one turbo each for testing. I will run one, and Cliff can run the other... After one week, we can swap. This way we can get a good side by side. No compressor maps or secret squirrel info required. I think both Cliff and I can report our findings accurately. This should clear up lots of the questions out there. I would be happy to donate my time and truck for the testing. What do you think guys??

 

[Fishin Guide]

You know what we should do? Get HTT and Industrial injection to supply one turbo each for testing. I will run one, and Cliff can run the other... After one week, we can swap. This way we can get a good side by side. No compressor maps or secret squirrel info required. I think both Cliff and I can report our findings accurately. This should clear up lots of the questions out there. I would be happy to donate my time and truck for the testing. What do you think guys??

And we can find out how quickly one of these units will break to boot! Maybe 10 minutes out of the shop?



All kidding aside, I would love to see an impartial test of these units as well as a direct comparison to what most other folks can relate to. Such as a 40 or 35 hybrid.



I'm glad someone is taking an interest to find out more information for the rest of us.



BTW, BD is the ONLY company to respond to any inquiries that I have made. Also, based on what I have heard about all these other 66's, I have more faith in what BD says than these other jokers. Who cares if the dang turbo will support 650HP if you can't drive the dang thing?



Dave

 

[Diesel Freak]

Dude, that means I have to modify my beautiful precision tuned downpipe and air induction!!



CRAP, now that my battery is next to the firewall, I bet swapping turbos is a real PITA now!!!



However this would give a good idea how these compare to the "standard 425 HP turbo a. k. a. the HX40"

 

[Diesel Freak]

I promise I will leave the Micrometer and calipers in the tool box.



I'll just use my eyeball!!!

 

[BHaner]

Yep. With the two of us running about the same turbo, about the same HP. Would be a good test.



Would also be nice to trade them off to someone with an auto like Big Bob or PaulB.

 

[Diesel Freak]

oh geeze, what am I getting myself into.



Next you will be asking me to blow up a Jammer II just to be totally on the same page!