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Dodge ram steering upgrade

Hey folks, I haven't been around for a bit but one thing's for sure, I have now completed sufficient active duty military service for military retirement (essentially means I've done my 20+). Now I just need to find an occupation that will keep the veterinary bills, roof over my head, toys in the driveway requirements in check. Hopefully I can find something that equates or parallels to my ability to tear apart and reassemble H-60 helicopters (and P-3's, C-130's, F'Nay-18's, Dodge trucks, near any GM product..... ) to an improved (fixed) configuration. Just always had a knack for that sort of thing... .....

Previously I had posted that I had noted a potential for tie-rod contact with the wheel rim on lock to lock steering after retrofitting to the T-type configuration. So I'll see if I can get a usable picture here. What I did was create a bumper with a piece of heavy duty rubber and attached it to the knuckle after tapping an existing hole in the casting. Im not really sure if I still have the problem after I spent considerable time re-centering the front axle under the truck (alot of that was trying to find good repeatable reference points) and getting the steering box centering fine tuned.

let's try the pictures..... (here's where they're located http://home. bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=331&folderid=201115&groupid=264096&folderview=thumbs&ck=

This is the steering stop... was quick and simple.....

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Gotta see if it works.....

Another issue was contact with the inner rim wheel weights and the tie-rod ends.

This I have corrected by removing all wheel weights on installation of tire balance beads from http://www.innovativebalancing.com/ , balance beads have been around for a long time because I can remember breaking truck tires years ago and wondering what the mess was in the tires (just some secret few knew about and could be prone to corrosion). What's nice about inovative's kits is that if you have air you can install these at home and the beads are a very static cling-ey product made of a heavy form of ceramic (probably bizmuth) and I'm telling you without too much hype, there are some "significant" improvements in the ride and tire wear department now, without major wallet balance issues. This is a product I recommend and feel it's worth you folks checking on at their web site.

Couple of other pics...

all rims are stripped of all weights and real easy to clean now.....

Tread wear is good and flat, no chop, feather, or pattering noise going down the road... .....


Last pic is the kit which I ordered for a Dodge dually just to get everything required plus "extra"... ...



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Just like any suspension item, this is not a cure for worn parts or other engineering shortfalls.

Oh yea, I've tried Centramatic's and found they just don't fit right on the 2001 2500's w/ alloy rims without spacers (nope, nada, not do'n it) and they're waiting in a box in my garage for me to return them.

Another interesting product that some may feel requires consideration is the active driveshaft balancers provided by Balancemasters at http://www.balancemasters.com/driveshaft.html

I've installed one of their units on my rear shaft and have not noted any increased vibration or buzz in the shifter, seems to be better by touch at the shifter, could be mental, just don't have the equipment to verify. Anybody else tried them?

Enough for now, hopefully haven't confused anyone worse then myself.

Have a good one...
 
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HELLO. .

I also did pretty much the same thing,,(without the rubber) Because when I put 2002 wheels and 305's on my 1998, I keep hitting thing inside when I TRIED to turn lock to lock.

I too drilled and tapped a hole then added enough washers till I got the clearance I needed.



It worked for me.



Mike In Maine
 
Since this topic is starting up again, I guess I'll post what I've done to mine. A couple months ago I replaced the tie-rod with the parts mentioned way back on this topic. I just did the tie-rod since the drag link looked good. I only got a mild improvement out of it.



About a month ago I bought a DSS and tightened up my steering box a little bit. This helped a lot. I suspect all I need now is a better track bar to have great steering.



But then I may have made things worse. . I went from stock tires to 33's. I wanted to go to bigger tires and 16. 5 wheels and found someone selling some BFG All Terrains and wheels. I bought them, but the wheels were crappy steel wheels. I had to dismount them and strip and repaint them. I had them balanced, but they ride like crap now. I did get some Dynabeads to put in them (same stuff muchsnow mentioned I think), but I haven't had a chance to put them in yet. They only take a half pound per wheel! :D



I also did some skyjacker 2. 5" coils to level it and some Bilstein 5100's, but they didn't make up for the tires. ;) Should be a heck of a ride once I get the beads in and get those meats balanced!



Here's a link to some pics of what I had to do to the old tires before I took them off. :-laf

http://forum.tkotrailriders.com/viewtopic.php?t=606
 
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Dynabeads

>>>But then I may have made things worse. . I went from stock tires to 33's. I wanted to go to bigger tires and 16. 5 wheels and found someone selling some BFG All Terrains and wheels. I bought them, but the wheels were crappy steel wheels. I had to dismount them and strip and repaint them. I had them balanced, but they ride like crap now. I did get some Dynabeads to put in them (same stuff muchsnow mentioned I think), but I haven't had a chance to put them in yet. They only take a half pound per wheel! :D <<<<<<

You're correct, Dynabeads is what they call them, they also have a very good tire application guide/chart on their website for those wondering what they might require for their setups.

Just make sure when you replace the trackbar that it's adjustable, because when you "finally" get that front axle recentered under the truck you'll probably be back into the engineered center of the steering box which really does affect the feel and function of the steering overall.

Have a good one,
 
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BTTT for a few things.



1. I'd like to get an update from the folks that have been using this for a while- has it continued to perform as when you first installed it? Muchsnow, have you installed a dampener? Any experiences on rough roads? Any sign of wear of the parts(abnormal wear)?



2. I'm making a guess here, but I know the stock wheels changed somewhat between my 96(chrome steelies-6. 5" wide) to the 99 aluminum(7. 5" wide). I would think the tire rubbing issue would be less with the older trucks with stock wheels than with a newer truck with stock wheels. This shouldn't be an issue for me soon, I'm hoping to get a set of eagle alloys that have less backspacing. Has this been an issue for you TFabian?



3. TFabian, another question for ya :) I probably won't replace all the parts for the t-conversion yet- since I replaced all the y parts a few years ago, with the exception of the inner draglink end that connects to the pitman arm. I have a new Moog part on the way, since it has shown some wear lately. Did it look like this stock style 96 rod will work with the 99 t-style drag link? Are they the same diameter and thread count? I'd like to not have to spend the money again if I can help it... The part I ordered is

MOOG Part #ES3249RT from www.rockauto.com(which is supposed to have a TDR discount)
 
Conversion update

Converted the Y-link to the T-link about 3K miles ago. A very noticable improvement! There should be for the $3,000+ in parts that filled my front entrance to my home.





Replaced: U-joints, rotors, hub bearing, ball joints, tie rod ends, drag link, steering gear box with the highly recommended PSC. Wait there is more: Steering stabilizer (DSS), 03' track bar w/bracket, shocks all 4, timbren for the big loads.





Next biggest improvement was the replacement of my worn (inside only) Michelin tires. I opted for a commercial 10 ply B. F. Goodrich from Costco inorder to not trash out a high dollar set (6) during this trial running period.





There has been no noticable wear on the tire edges unlike before whereas they would begin to chew up the insides in just a few hundred miles forcing a 4-5k mile rotation with a combined tire life of maybe 25K! In addition there is no wheel rub on this 2001 with the link coversion.





I still have not installed a steering damper as of yet. I have been told it was a bandaid for an improper front end setup and only needed if I rock climb or off road with a lift kit. I am running stock height.





The next chapter in this saga is to go in for a little +caster adjustment at Chantilly Leaf and Spring. They have an extra large computerized alignment piece that can handle tri-axle dump trucks. I believe this will take away that feeling of riding on or over the front axle.





My current project on the truck is a triple pod and mono pod gauge install.



2001 3500
70,000 miles Used for towing a 14K gooseneck Sundowner horse house



G☺☺d Luck as you remove the Dodge from your Cummins!
 
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Willys said:
BTTT for a few things.

1. I'd like to get an update from the folks that have been using this for a while- has it continued to perform as when you first installed it? Muchsnow, have you installed a dampener? Any experiences on rough roads? Any sign of wear of the parts(abnormal wear)?

Still no steering damper, just don't need it. I've replaced ball joints since the retrofit.
The right one had up and down slop and the left one (lower) was kind of notchy and caused kind of a clunk in the steering. New stuff now, Maybe good for another 80K.
I think the ball joints were just kind of a "normal thing" whose time had come. Hate not being able to grease them (bottom) but I can change them pretty quick now. Other than that, I haven't noticed any thing unusual (yet?) and it still drives very nice.

Have a good one... .
 
I just did the "T" conversion on my '96. I used all six parts as previously listed.

I left the wheels on, and truck on the ground... that way the alignment would be close enough to drive.

The only odd thing is the drag link is adjusted all the way tight to align the steering wheel/pitman arm aligned with the wheels.
 
steering....

I just did the "T" conversion on my '96. I used all six parts as previously listed.

I left the wheels on, and truck on the ground... that way the alignment would be close enough to drive.

The only odd thing is the drag link is adjusted all the way tight to align the steering wheel/pitman arm aligned with the wheels.

The pitman arm should point straight back and the steering wheel be straight at that point (or real darn close). I'm not real sure of any peculiarity the 96 may have (the drag link does go into the top of the pitman arm?) but I know a good alignment shop is the next place to visit after the install.

If the wear/condition on everything else up there is above the line, you should be in pretty good shape after the alignment shop... .

Soo, I guess the 96 trucks had the Y setup on them also huh?

Have a good one... .


L. J. M.
 
Once I got it aligned it all worked out. Steering wheel is centered etc.

It hasn't driven this nice since it was new... (if it was this good back then).

It used to grab the crowns of the road, or any expansion joints... it just goes straight now.
 
Once aligned....

Once I got it aligned it all worked out. Steering wheel is centered etc.

It hasn't driven this nice since it was new... (if it was this good back then).

And you quickly get used to/appreciate the immediate increase in the comfort level of driving the "new" truck huh?

It really is a good oem material mod... ...
 
Nice ping! Just for the record, I did the "T" conversion to my 2001 7 years ago and it's still working like a champ. Here's the link to what I did.
Yeah, mine was finished somewhere at the begining of this thread and has been great. Only maintenance has been DT trackbar ends on inspection and the pitman arm (new ones have a zerk) on inspection. OEM 17 inch rims helped keep the wheel weights (very minor problem) on now. I would NEVER put this back to the original Y setup... period... Have a good one. . L.
 
nice pics of the Tellico run, but I have a horse and 16 1/2 hand mule that will go anywhere that bronco can and never get stuck or broke (just has a bad attitude)
 
Since my conversion 3. 5 years ago, I have not changed anything in the linkage... but I did change to a newer steering box and borgeson steering shaft.
 
Steering Conversion

Since my conversion 3. 5 years ago, I have not changed anything in the linkage... but I did change to a newer steering box and borgeson steering shaft.

Yeah, I have a PSC box and steering shaft too. OEM shaft lasted a while then ended up with slop in the slip joint part of it. Also replaced the bearing in the bottom of the steering column (what a krappi design). Just kinda forgot bout that "stuff".

NOTE: AGR steering box replacements for these trucks are real garbage... three outta three, legit perspective there/here...

New Borgensons boxes should be the final solution... . when needed...
 
Second Generation NEW Steering and Brake upgrade

Latest evolution on the 2001. 5 is to complete the installation of the third generation brakes on all four corners and install the 2010/2011+ style centerlink setup repair kit that star has put out for corrective action on the third generation trucks. Looking good so far... ... .


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One SHOULD be able to see that oem 2003+ or equivalant rims (18" or better) are required for the larger third gen brakes.....


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