Nail Magnet Tires

[HHhuntitall]

Big! I wouldn't put Goodyear tires on my Go-Cart!! I've seen so many seperations and puntures it makes me sick!! I've seen wheat straw go through 'em!! Copper wire, nails, staples, baling wire.....

Michelin doesn't make your size, unfortunately. At least I don't have a listing..... Toyo would be my choice, such as the Open Country HT or Proxes if you're gonna drive 110mph.... Cooper would be a close second on my list. Bridgestone also makes them, who I don't particularly like, either, but have a decent LT tire, and several tread selections in their Dueler series of tire.... They're not cheap!! Cooper's and Bridgestone start around $204, my cost, going up with the more aggressive tread.

 

[AH64ID]

The biggest issue is P rated tires, they are pavement pounders at best.

With the weight of the ESV the tires are getting a workout. When you combine the P rating, weight, and Montana roads you end up with a lot of flats... as you have seen.

Unfortunately I cannot find a LT tire in that size. There are LT285/50R22, but they are just over an inch taller and I don't know how much clearance you have.

The sidewall is probably labeled 2601lbs, and when installed on a large SUV or pickup it is reduced to 2369lbs/tire. The curb weight on the ESV is 6040 and I bet it's closer to 6500lbs before passengers are added. You can see how the tires are holding the majority of their rating without people in the car.

I would look at Toyo or Nitto tires.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Gail called home before he went back to Howl somemore this evening. A Man at a Billings Gas station asked Gail about the Caddy and its unique color, and what kind of products he used to make it shine as it does. They talked about the Caddy, come to find out the Gentlemen had a 2014 Year Model. He ended up going to the Toyo tires and so far so good with more miles than his Goodyear tires had.

He had the same problems with his Goodyear tires as well, Flats


I read the last post about our roads, I disagree with the idea that our roads are any worse than Calif roads. When we were out there are Plenty of this type auto & tire size. I cant say for certain that the two were the same but if road condition has anything to do with it. WATCH OUT CALIFORNIA!!!

Again he would like to thank you all for your thoughts


Penny

 

[AH64ID]

I haven't spent much time in California... I just know rural roads over urban roads and ours aren't any better here in Idaho.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Big! I wouldn't put Goodyear tires on my Go-Cart!! I've seen so many seperations and puntures it makes me sick!! I've seen wheat straw go through 'em!! Copper wire, nails, staples, baling wire.....

Michelin doesn't make your size, unfortunately. At least I don't have a listing..... Toyo would be my choice, such as the Open Country HT or Proxes if you're gonna drive 110mph.... Cooper would be a close second on my list. Bridgestone also makes them, who I don't particularly like, either, but have a decent LT tire, and several tread selections in their Dueler series of tire.... They're not cheap!! Cooper's and Bridgestone start around $204, my cost, going up with the more aggressive tread.

Gail asked for me to give a Thanks HH. He woke up to head home from Billings and had to change a tire first thing, I can imagine his mood not having his first cup of coffee before having to change a tire.

The biggest issue is P rated tires, they are pavement pounders at best.

With the weight of the ESV the tires are getting a workout. When you combine the P rating, weight, and Montana roads you end up with a lot of flats... as you have seen.

Unfortunately I cannot find a LT tire in that size. There are LT285/50R22, but they are just over an inch taller and I don't know how much clearance you have.

The sidewall is probably labeled 2601lbs, and when installed on a large SUV or pickup it is reduced to 2369lbs/tire. The curb weight on the ESV is 6040 and I bet it's closer to 6500lbs before passengers are added. You can see how the tires are holding the majority of their rating without people in the car.

I would look at Toyo or Nitto tires.

I noticed that you are near Boise ID? Gail has a Tack dealer for his packing equipment that he likes his work. He's retired and works out of his home. SMALL WORLD!!

The Hwy out in front of the house is very well taken care of, Most likely because its on a Scenic Hwy system of MT and is one lots of people use to get to Glacier National Park. My point was that while owning this car here in our little town is kind of rare. I don't think that our roads here or in ID could be any worse than what Calif has to offer. There are lots of this type car & tire set-up in Calif, it just seems odd that the people that Gail has talked to have the same opinion about Goodyear, a company this large can produce such poor products.

 

[AH64ID]

How much dirt do you have to drive on?

 

[JR]

I would be very interested in the weight rating of the tires vs the weight of the vehicle. Also, ask BIG to check the date code on the sidewall of each tire. Something is definitely off here and its more than just the manufacture of the tire. Without starting a tire debate, GY just aren't anywhere as bad as is being portrayed. All passenger tires have to conform to the same safety standards and besides, were not talking a small company here were talking about a company that averages 1.5 billion in sales annually. That's no small peanuts and with that volume of rubber on the road if people were experiencing the same problems as BIG is GY would be in court like Firestone or possibly worse. We've owned several sets over the years and not once had a tire failure. This with traveling dirt roads every time we leave the driveway, sometimes multiple times a day. Something else has to be playing a factor here.

 

[BIGNASTY]

My Driveway should have nothing to do with the tire problem on the Caddy. I took time to build the Semi Dirt Driveway the right way. When it was mud I had river rock delivered (BIG SIZE ROCK) ran the tractor over that until it was pushed into the ground so far that it couldn't be seen, Did that several times. Towards the end of this I went to using progressively smaller river stone, The stone used is rounded and has no sharp protrusions. Eventually the stone quit sinking into the ground and became as flat and hard as any 400 yard concrete driveway. The processed used has been used for eons in different Countries of Europe that are STILL BEING USED TO DAY!! this method lends itself VERY WELL to the cold climes with the space in-between the rock allowing for the expansion of moisture in the cold winters and there are no snow heaves in the drive.

We run heavy class 8 laden trucks across this drive wet, dry, snow packed and not one track has EVER shown. Only one time when snow plowing a stone caught the edge of the blade tilted to steeply and was lifted, it made about a 5 gal bucket hole in the drive, poured small river stone in the hole and covered with dirt, GONE WAS THE PROBLEM.

JR your right im not wanting to start the great debate either, I have had and gave plenty of chances to GY and each time I have had anything to do with them they have let me down, in fact not only ME!! but anyone that I have known that has used GY has never wanted anything to do with them again.

Had a couple that owned a TT that had brand new Goodyear Marathon tires. We went with them when they picked up the Brand new TT and go to camp in Anza Borrego Desert State Park. It was during the Calif winter so temps had nothing to do with it. Two tires blew up and took about half of the TT wheel well off the side. along with that part of the TT heater system.

I could go on with Class 8 truck tires that just didn't measure up. Now this with a Caddy, I'm QUITE sure that the other cars that are ran over the same terrain should have come up with the same type problem. Could it be that the tread design lends itself to picking up road debris? could it be the rubber compound used? I don't know and at this point don't care. Tomorrow IF THEY LAST they are going to the BIG CITY and are off the car. And Hopefully the Toyo tires that I have never used will be better. Just as GY is such a large company I don't think Caddy is going to put some rubber on a car knowing that it MIGHT not hold up, or was told that it would hold up. With the lawsuits of today??? I don't think so.


BIG

 

[mwilson]

Bridgestone Dualer H/L Alenzas are getting high praise on the ESV forum.

One guy is simply astounded that ANY Goodyear was a factory tire on those. What model Goodyear are they?

Mike.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Bridgestone Dualer H/L Alenzas are getting high praise on the ESV forum.

One guy is simply astounded that ANY Goodyear was a factory tire on those. What model Goodyear are they?

Mike.

So lets take a look

On the Bridgestone links the load rating will be found placing the cursor over the 110H 2337 for both styles of Bridgstone Dueler and Dueler Plus

On the Goodyear link it shows the load rating 2601

And the Bridgstone are going to be a better choice???? with a lower load rating?????


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...wall=Blackwall&partnum=845HR2HLALNP&tab=Specs


http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...wall=Blackwall&partnum=845HR2HLALNZ&tab=Specs

https://www.goodyear.com/en-US/tires/fortera-sl


And the Caddy Site is doing well with this set up?

Not wanting to start an argument but something don't jive !!!

 

[BIGNASTY]

I know what it is


THE DRIVEWAY :-laf

 

[BIGNASTY]

Well that rules out a Boy Friend that is in construction.! SNOKING

Or maybe some stupid F ing comment like this

 

[JR]

Even the lower rating of 2300 lbs is more than sufficient unless you got the mules loaded in the back :-laf
That's 9k lbs of capacity, I know your rig is heavy ish but not 9k worth of heavy.

Do you know the weight rating of your new Toyos?

Do you know how old your tires are? Its a moot point now if you've ordered a new set but as many flats as you've had I would be looking into every possibility so I felt better about spending that moldy money....

 

[BIGNASTY]

JR at this point in the game im PO ed enough to not want to even look at those POS GY tires, the last thing that I wanted to do at 3am this morning was to walk out to a FLAT TIRE!! I know that the Caddy is a boat the tow rating on the car is like 8K so they must have done some kind of figuring on tires and tire abilities I would think.

No I don't know about the Toyo's the tire shop that I deal with said to bring it in and we will make it right for ya, They have never steered me wrong before so im taking James (the store owner ) for his word He said that Toyo aint a bad tire but like me he's not completely sold on some brands. We will have some breakfast and have a talk in the AM

 

[mwilson]

One user ....

"I had Bridgestone dueler H/L alenzas in my escalade hybrid which did not have a spare tire. 195k miles later and three sets of Alenzas never got a punctured tire."

 

[mwilson]

Another user

"My 07, and 09 escalade had the Bridgestone duelers H/L Alenzas I never had a flat in 7 years or a puncture . I would have to have the seal redone once in a while in the winter but that it never ever a flat not even once !"

 

[mwilson]

Neither of these guys mentioned "ESV" so maybe a little less capacity for a straight up Escalade (Yukon).

 

[BIGNASTY]

From what I have heard im about 20" longer than the normal Escalade, Don't take that as the Gospel


After reading your post Mike I think that there are 3 sizes of the Caddy

 

[JR]

Our little Mountaineer is rated to tow 7300, and our GY tires (the same that went 70k) are rated for 1984 lbs each. So it seems the Bridgestones Mike listed have plenty of capacity, just trying to figure out the "why's" (which was kinda the intent of this thread?) Oh well, good luck with the new rubbers BIG.

 

[JR]

From what I have heard im about 20" longer

Bragger! :-laf:-laf:-laf