New propane injection on market

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http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/flash.html
Looked like a decent price, wonder how safe it is

 

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It does look interesting... . Maybe have to test one on a "FRIENDS" truck #ad


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It got my attention! I wouldn't mind trying it out on my truck. I wonder what the odds are of getting a group purchase on it?? Beats the pants off the other system advertised.



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91 4x4, 5 speed, 3. 54 gears, pw injectors, 12cm turbo housing, K&N air filter, "tweaked" pump, isspro boost and pyro gagues w/A pillar mount, straight piped 3' exhaust

 

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On these systems can you use a cylinder like the one on a gas grill or do you need a different set up. They say 25% of tank size so that is about 9-10 lb capacity. Also can you shut these off when you want to and if you run out does it affect the system at all(air in system)?? tell them $250 on GP of 75 and I bet we could fill that order quickly

 

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I saw one of these systems on a Ford at last sunday's meeting in Edwardsville Ill. I was impressed enough that I am ordering one for Ol' Wheezer.

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Ol' WHEEZER
96 2500 4x4 5spd 3. 54 grs, #10 TST plate, AFC spring kit, 16 cm turbo, CUSTOM 4" exhaust, (turbo to tail), K&N RE-0880 filter, TST guages, 370HP injectors, 3800 rpm governor spring kit, Slightly advanced timing(20deg. ) Mcleod dual disc clutch(street), 305/70r16 Goodyear Wrangler MT tires, Linex Liner and Rockers,

 

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I picked up the Bully Dog system but haven't gotten it installed yet. I did some research into the tanks and found that those tanks used for motorized equipment are certified by the DOT to 4BA 240. This is the same standard certified on the BBQ and RV gas bottles. I have read several threads where other TDR members also have used the BBQ bottles for their propane injection systems. Hope this helps.
The Bully Dog system has an overide switch in the cab to shut it off, it is also tied to an oil pressure switch and I understand they now are tieing it into a boost sensor which they provide. You might ask the referenced vendor how they compare to the Bully Dog system.

 

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Originally posted by joesoot:
http://www.dieselperformanceproducts.com/flash.html
Looked like a decent price, wonder how safe it is

Are there any down sides to mixing propane w/diesel over time?

 

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Also, found this vendor as well selling propane systems at the same price. I can't tell if its the same system or not.
http://www.dirtcheapdiesel.com/

Also, has other products at some decent prices. Anyone order from these guys yet? I would like to, but looking for feedback before I do. They are located in Pahrump,NV, which is just outside of Las Vegas.

 

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no phone number no nothing , just an email address , not to comforting if you ask me . they do have some DIRT CHEAP prices though.

 

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there is a Group Purchas deal on propane kits now. . see this site. . FYI
http://www.qix.net/~mcelrath/

Gary

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Banshe
The Bullydog literature says the kit comes with an oil pressure switch, but I don`t think is for our Rams. Mine had a Hobbs pressure switch, and an override toggle switch. Its a good, safe system anyway.

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94 2500 SLT 4x4 5 Speed, 3. 54 LS, JRE 4" exhaust, Autometer Pyro, Boost & Water temp gauges, Bosch 215 HP injectors, Timing @ 14. 7 º, JRE Stage III #4 plate 270/675, AFC spring kit, Scotty Air, Bully Dog Propane Injection, Roadmaster Active Suspension, Optima Red Tops, Geno`s Exhaust Blanket,Espar Heater (won it!), Synthetic lubes throughout.

 

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So you guys running the propane systems, how are the EGT's. I'm thinking of using propane but with my set up now, I get into EGT trouble way to easy as it is.
So lets have the truth. I'm running a #5 TST,370 injectors,AFC kit,Governer Spring kit,16cm Exhaust Housing,4" Exhaust and it's a 5 speed also.
So you guys with the same set up and using propane, let me know what kind of EGT's your getting.

Thanks
Brian Cobb

 

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Brian,

From what I have noticed propane does not increase EGT at all. It seems to help reduce it some. I can`t get my EGT over 1100 degrees. With or without the propane on.

I would take a look at that new propane system thats out. Its a good price. Only a vapor system like Bullydogs. Vapor systems are inexpensive and easier to install. Supposedly safer too. ATS & Power Edge have liquid to vapor conversion systems. Both over a grand I believe.

As a rule of thumb, figure on a 100HP increase. Probably a little less with a vapor system.

"Chris" from the F**D webpage just installed the PowerShot... . and loves it

See here: http://forums. ford-diesel.com:8080/ubb/Forum17/HTML/003648.html
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Bill R
94 2500 SLT 4x4 5 Speed, 3. 54 LS, JRE 4" exhaust, Autometer Pyro, Boost & Water temp gauges, Bosch 215 HP injectors, Timing @ 14. 7 º, JRE Stage III #4 plate 270/675, AFC spring kit, Scotty Air, Bully Dog Propane Injection, Roadmaster Active Suspension, Optima Red Tops, Geno`s Exhaust Blanket,Espar Heater (won it!), Synthetic lubes throughout.




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Send me an email if your interested in propane. A system capable of handling liquid is my preference for safety. Anyone attending the event at Tulare this weekend can see the propane on my truck as well as a PSD. Talkin' much less then $M. Make no mistake, lpg can make your diesel sing! #ad

 

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Well, if the complete system including the tank is over $500, then it's not worth it to me, regardless of whether its a vapor or liquid system. I think it's time the vendors quit gouging customers. I, for one, am glad to see all the new competition and the work done by Carl on the group purchases.

 

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Does the Bullydog system include the tank?

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98. 5 2500 QC,SB W/ camper shell, whitw w/driftwood lower 2wd,3. 54, loaded w/o leather,chrome Westin step bars, BD tc/vb w/trans temp,4" BD exhaust from turbo back, firestone airbags, heavy duty pullrite hitch, Bug sheilds, 4x4 type mud flaps front and back, Amsoil bypass & air filter.

 

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Sorta' curious about THIS section on their webpage:

"Can I use the Powershot 2000â„¢ for towing heavy loads?

YES! You will enjoy using the Powershot 2000â„¢ for towing. (Remember you should never tow more than your truck is rated for or hold the throttle wide open for extended periods. )"


SO, what's the bit about "never hold the throttle wide open for extended periods. "?

I often hold my throttle wide open for fairly long periods of time under heavy load, and on long steep grades - is there some potential damage to be created under these situations with propane injection? sheesh! #ad
- those are EXACTLY the situations *I* would be BUYING the system for!

This parallels the question up above, what ARE the potential downsides to propane injection, as related to engine damage and longevity?

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Early '91 250, 727 AT, 307 rear... Banks Stinger exhaust, intercooler... US Gear OD... MORE than a match for every new PS Ford encountered so far...

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Originally posted by Gary - KJ6Q:
Sorta' curious about THIS section on their webpage:

"Can I use the Powershot 2000â„¢ for towing heavy loads?

YES! You will enjoy using the Powershot 2000â„¢ for towing. (Remember you should never tow more than your truck is rated for or hold the throttle wide open for extended periods. )"


SO, what's the bit about "never hold the throttle wide open for extended periods. "?

Gary. . I think what they are trying to do is keep a little engine safety in mind..... They have to put in some kind of warning for the "Mouth Breathers" who don't pay attention to their truck. . If they included a EGT gauge and idiot warning light. . they wouldn't need any warnings.
As there is more chances of heat related problems when pulling for long periods... from what I understand with propane you will gain LOTS of power and very little or no EGT increase. some times it decreases. . You will probably have more problems with transmission heat or Running over the Psd's and Gassers in front of you... . #ad


Email HVAC he will give you some honest answers... .

I believe Propane is the safest and cleanest way of adding 100HP to your truck... . and because of the no increase in egt it is the best towing mod not to mention the mileage...

There is no doubt I will be installing a Propane system. .



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KWIKURT - thanks for the opinion - hope there will be a few more offered - I am VERY interested in the propane injection, for the price, it would SEEM to be the best "bang for the buck", as LONG AS there are no hidden dangers not openly stated.

NOW, the main concern seems to be WHICH system is the best... .

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Early '91 250, 727 AT, 307 rear... Banks Stinger exhaust, intercooler... US Gear OD... MORE than a match for every new PS Ford encountered so far...

 

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I questioned Chris about his system on his Powerstroke last Sunday. This system uses the boost from the turbo to control the amount of propane that is injected into the engine, which is in turn adjustable for the amount of boost required to begin injecting the propane. this seems to be a very good way to control the amount of propane that gets injected. Unless I am completely off base in my observations of some of the other systems, the amount of propane is injected in set amounts, much like flipping on a light switch. This system ,as I see it is more like using a dimmer switch. Matching the amount of propane injected, to the demands of the engine. Of course These are the opinions of a demented Bomber, Whose only concerns in life are the demands of his mighty Cummins Twelve Valve #ad
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Ol' WHEEZER
96 2500 4x4 5spd 3. 54 grs, #10 TST plate, AFC spring kit, 16 cm turbo, CUSTOM 4" exhaust, (turbo to tail), K&N RE-0880 filter, TST guages, 370HP injectors, 3800 rpm governor spring kit, Slightly advanced timing(20deg. ) Mcleod dual disc clutch(street), 305/70r16 Goodyear Wrangler MT tires, Linex Liner and Rockers,