Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Nra

[Tractorat]

Selling your gun to Joe Blow without any kind of check is NUTS how do criminals get guns?

They steal them.

Loaning a gun to someone should be wrong, if he commits a crime you should be held accountable right along with him for lending your piece. Just like the unfortunate Kids that find daddy's gun and either takes it to school or shoots himself with it the Registered owner should be accountable.

If you load your gun to your daugher because her boy friend has threatened to kill, you both have commited a felony. If you are at the gun range and they guy next to you wants to try out your new rifle, you have commited a felony.

 

[HHhuntitall]

They steal them.


If you load your gun to your daugher because her boy friend has threatened to kill, you both have commited a felony. If you are at the gun range and they guy next to you wants to try out your new rifle, you have commited a felony.

And for your comment above, as well as this, I'm afraid it has a lot to do with the membership. The membership numbers are so low, and the membership activity so low per person, the NRA had their hands tied. There was no one to go to bat in the state Senate when these laws were passed. Very few stood up against it, so there wasn't enough to stand against the crying babies that fear the gun owner next door, and curse the police when they fail to show up in time.....

 

[Tractorat]

It was passed by a vote of the state, not the senate. There was no money poured into the state against the measures. But a lot poured in for the measures. There is no excuse for the nra not coming in strong. Many wondered why they were not active in that election. There are a lot of gun owners in this state.

 

[Dan_69GTX]

The Two items that you mentioned SHOULD BE DONE!!


Selling your gun to Joe Blow without any kind of check is NUTS how do criminals get guns? Well that sounds to me like a very good way.


Loaning a gun to someone should be wrong, if he commits a crime you should be held accountable right along with him for lending your piece. Just like the unfortunate Kids that find daddy's gun and either takes it to school or shoots himself with it the Registered owner should be accountable.


I cant find anything wrong with being responsible with guns.

Well, I agree and disagree.


The blanket statements are what I disagree with. Why?


Loaning a gun is no different than loaning any other legally owned item.
- You are saying my children are not allowed to use my guns to hunt. (They are old enough to serve in the military).
- I can not borrow a gun from a friend to try before I buy that model.
- My wife can not use/touch my guns.
- etc.

Now if I loan a gun to a known felon or to someone I know to be wanting to use it in an illegal manner - that ALREADY is illegal - why not enforce that law? So you want another law that covers this?


Same goes for selling a gun.


You are also saying that if someone steals you gun, you are liable for them stealing it. So, when someone stole my car, it was my fault because I decided to own it?


Ever go to a gun show? Try and find someone there who is willing to sell you a gun w/o a background check. I'm fine if it would be required by law, but just try it now. (Yes, I've gone to gun shows and asked folks about this. One time I found ONE person who was selling 3 guns that could have been purchased w/o a background check) The media makes it sound like anyone anywhere can buy from anyone anywhere w/o a background check.


"You" wanna buy a gun from someone in a neighboring state - has to go through an FFL. Already a Federal law.


So now for my soap box - enforce current laws!
EX: straw purchasing - the act of buying a gun for someone who can't. It is a Federal crime:
http://www.dontlie.org/straw_purchasing.cfm

But when someone did that and a police officer was killed - they got probation. They should have been accessory to murder (my opinion).
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...bation-straw-purchaser-bought-gun-cop-killer/


Sorry for the rant.

 

[BIGNASTY]

HH

Rather than cut and paste your reasonable rebuttal, I'll continue with my disorder thinking response. At one time I believe that these points would be valid, In todays world where WE AS GUN owners (not all of us) have become so irresponsible with GUN Ownership that it cant be the way IT WAS. I think that you as I were brought up in a home where guns were really no big deal, for as long as I can remember I was around guns & reloading. I never once had to wait to long to go shooting my Mother & Father were AVID shooters & Hunters. But ONE STEADFAST RULE OR LAW WAS THAT " I DONT TOUCH THE GUNS" if I had been caught fiddling around with them in ANYWAY when my parents weren't around THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE END OF SHOOTING AND HUNTING UNTIL I WAS ON MY OWN, NO QUESTIONS ASKED!!

Now that I'm a Grandfather my Son and Daughter are raising their family in the same way as I was and they were with the above Steadfast rule. My Grandson is 5 years old theres not many a weekend go by that we don't take the 22 that he got for Christmas and pop off a few hundred rounds. Still I put my home defense weapons away when ANYONE comes for a visit. I would NEVER FORGIVE Myself if someone not as responsible as I would accidently shoot themselves with ONE OF MY GUNS.


Lending a gun to someone for what purpose? to shoot? well I have to say that YES I do let people shoot my guns, but I'm there with them when they do pull the trigger. I WOULD FOR NO REASON lend a gun TO ANYONE (family included) to take someplace without me with them. I cant fathom the idea of some of the guys that I call Pard's even asking such a thing. If they need to borrow a gun and I'm not with them then I suggest they save their milk money and buy one like the rest of the normal folks do. Hell I take people out hunting and wont lend them my Shooter.

The reason I cant stand the NRA is that back when I was a member I went to the LA Sports Arena to a Giant NRA rally. This was back when Commiefornia was first getting on the bandwagon about AR's. I was approached by one of the NRA head honchos and asked to voice my opinion on AR ownership. I declined several times he finally PXXXed me off enough that I did say that I don't think that ANY civilian needs to own a AR. Have you ever been booed by a couple thousand people? I was asked why? I have taken people of all ages shooting and the ones that had NEVER shot a gun of any kind had a Great day shooting my single shot 22 rifle all day long. Someplace along the line they wanted to shoot my AR. I noticed a funny thing about people for some reason they get their hands on an AR they become RAMBO and need to see how much & how fast they can put lead down range. I don't think that we really do need AR's as civilians. I do see more of a need for them now that I need to protect livestock from predators even so ONE shot with a Bolt gun the others aren't going to come back for quite a spell. I have several of them and a few more in the build process for family members and I would GLADLY give them away to the Fed's if they would pay me for what they are worth I could do just fine with my Bolt guns. I REALLY DON'T THINK that they are a very good hunting weapon anyway even my Wilson 308 AR they were designed for one thing and maybe that's a reason that I don't really care for them. We had a TDR member that use to think that he was Mr. AR all dressed up in Tack Gear shooting from all kinds of Hollywood shooting positions., people like that Disturb me to no end. If they really need to PLAY RAMBO JOIN UP & go stand a post on the front line and see how its done.


I'm hoping that nobody sees this as me being PO. like I said im fine with my Bolt Guns and Handguns, Black powder, even took a Cow Elk this year with a Bow.


BIG

PS Just read the post above about theft of a gun, How often do you check your gun locker? if I see that ones be stolen YOU DAMN STRAIGHT I'D BE TELLING THE LEO's just to cover my XXX

 

[Dan_69GTX]

Hey Big,

Thanks for the detailed response! Sounds like we are very similar, yet have some differing opinions.

My sons were raised to understand how lethal a gun is, always were around them, and shot them. Now one doesn't care to shoot, the other is with me anytime he can as I practice for competitions.

Hmmm, wonder what a 3-gun or 2-gun shoot would be like w/o an AR..

Have a great day!

 

[Dan_69GTX]

Oh yea - a cow Elk with a bow - impressive. Never went Elk hunting. However, did see quite a few when I'd go deer hunting - and of course no deer.

 

[Tractorat]

Lending a gun to someone for what purpose? to shoot? well I have to say that YES I do let people shoot my guns, but I'm there with them when they do pull the trigger

In washington, that is a felony for both of you.

 

[BIGNASTY]

In washington, that is a felony for both of you.

Not going to argue with you about it but I think that if you look it could be the same law that's part of Commiefornia's law also. YES for me to OWN an AR and Let ANYONE BESIDES ME shoot it is against the law IN COMMIEFORNIA. I don't know for sure but I don't think that applies to any other type of weapon. I could be wrong ITS HAPPEN BEFORE.


If that's the case here in MT then the Sherriff would have to arrest himself and 6 other deputies and a couple of other types of Federal agents that come to shoot at the house.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Oh yea - a cow Elk with a bow - impressive. Never went Elk hunting. However, did see quite a few when I'd go deer hunting - and of course no deer.

Not so impressive really Cow Elk are generally not hunted, this was a game management tag that I drew for Cow Only. They are so use to seeing people that it was almost like going to the Pasture and picking out what Steer to take to the butcher shop only you pointed to it with an Arrow.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Hey Big,

Thanks for the detailed response! Sounds like we are very similar, yet have some differing opinions.

My sons were raised to understand how lethal a gun is, always were around them, and shot them. Now one doesn't care to shoot, the other is with me anytime he can as I practice for competitions.

Hmmm, wonder what a 3-gun or 2-gun shoot would be like w/o an AR..

Have a great day!

Recently got into F-Class shooting 1000 yds is a LONG WAY OUT.

went to Gunsite for a few pistol classes that was fun.

Never really go into shooting as a competition for me it has always been about hunting being the end result. After moving to MT shooting has become more of a utilitarian effort protection of livestock & we do use the pelts if they aren't to mangled, one reason I like bolt guns head shots don't tear up hides that can be used by the wife's sister to make clothing.

 

[Dan_69GTX]

Oh well.....either way - it is meat! yumm!!! And a lot of it!

 

[Tractorat]

Not going to argue with you about it but I think that if you look it could be the same law that's part of Commiefornia's law also. YES for me to OWN an AR and Let ANYONE BESIDES ME shoot it is against the law IN COMMIEFORNIA. I don't know for sure but I don't think that applies to any other type of weapon. I could be wrong ITS HAPPEN BEFORE.

In wash it can be a single shot .22. I think wash is trying to out cal calif. We are getting ready to legalize heroin. Do they do that in cal ?

 

[BIGNASTY]

In wash it can be a single shot .22. I think wash is trying to out cal calif. We are getting ready to legalize heroin. Do they do that in cal ?

If legalization of herion is even being considered I hope that they Ban Any type of firearms including a Daisy Red Rider. I always knew that some of Seattle's people? the ones that belong in the Circus Side Show along with the illustrated man & bearded transvestite he/she were from a different universe. Thats nuts!!

 

[Tractorat]

They want to have a safe zone in seattle where they will supply the supplies and you bring the drugs. They want to model it after the same thing they have up in vancouver bc. In spite of how "safe" it is up there, Ive heard that they had over 900 heroin users die in the safe zone last year. Of course, my attitude is, thats great. Lets get them off the streets, welfare, and the gene pool.

 

[BIGNASTY]

They want to have a safe zone in seattle where they will supply the supplies and you bring the drugs. They want to model it after the same thing they have up in vancouver bc. In spite of how "safe" it is up there, Ive heard that they had over 900 heroin users die in the safe zone last year. Of course, my attitude is, thats great. Lets get them off the streets, welfare, and the gene pool.

One of the Scandinavian countries have been supplying needles to help curb the transference of communicable koodies like AIDS. Penny said that she believes that San Francisco has the same program. So in actuality they arent legalizing the drug they're trying to avoid the associated problems with its use. Kind of like Amsterdam when I was there years ago smoking weed wasnt legal it was tolerated.

 

[Tractorat]

Well, yeh. You legally bring your drugs in and inject. Its legal in the zone which makes it legal "in the drug zone". Its an actual place you go to do the heroin. Not unlike going to a bar to drink beer. Its against the law to drink beer right on the street in downtown. But if you go into a bar, you're OK. Only you supply the heroin where in a bar, they supply the beer.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Well, yeh. You legally bring your drugs in and inject. Its legal in the zone which makes it legal "in the drug zone".

Just looked Indiana, Ohio, Florida, Kentucky are just a few that are either looking into or doing the Needle Exchange program. In a way its good, the LEO's can sevailance to know who's using and cut some of the costs to the state by cutting the infectious problems from spreading. From personal experience with the use of hard durgs its only a matter of time before the drug wins. Without help not many people have the willpower to stop. If not for Penny & Her Mother I would have had a different outcome. Personally I dont think I'd look at that as a real bad thing.

 

[Tractorat]

The bad thing is that it will draw more and more drug users to seattle. seattle is already known as being soft on drugs. It wont stop the deaths as proved by the vancouver "experiment". And it will make it easier for the dealers to sell. Theyve actually interviewed some dealers on tv and they said they are looking forward to it.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I wouldn't know about that I was to chicken to use needles my choice was Oxycodon & chase those with amphetamines, breakfast of champions so I thought. I dont want to get real political here but if Trump's wall would be built I feel alot of the product will not find its way in. There's ALWAYS going to be addiction problems. Look at Booze that's probably right up there in the destruction of life but because you can drive to the corner market & buy it people are more tolerant of it.