Guns, Bows, Shooting Sports, and Hunting Nra

[Tractorat]

I dont think you can ever stop it. But you can slow it down a bit which is better than nothing

 

[RVTRKN]

Washington has been populated in the last 30 years by Comifornians moving to Washington State. I lived and worked in Long View Wa for 8 months before moving back to Germany (No, not military) back in the early eighties. Washington would have never even thought of such crazy laws back then. What do you expect when the Comifornia mentality populates Washington.

Back to the NRA, Big, the NRA is no Union, or even resembles a Union.

If you don't live in a right to work state, a Union is not an option if you want to work for a company that has been unionized. If you want to work for a company that can afford benefits and training that helps in maintaining a middle class living. I chose not to work Union so I can work in my Trade when I retire. In a right to work to work state, a Union is still prevalent by paying the Union members more than non Union members, per benefits and other incentives. However, they still use the dues to promote their liberal pollitics without any regard to other members that dissagree.

The NRA is completely voluntary and uses the money to fight back the politicians that want to continually erode the 2nd admendant. They must pick and chose their fights due to funding. I volunteered for a local pro gun action commity group for five years in SoCal, and the population that has been bombarded with the continual anti gun propaganda trumped what we tried to prevent. However, if you join the NRA, you know your dues are used for your political objectives.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Washington has been populated in the last 30 years by Comifornians moving to Washington State. I lived and worked in Long View Wa for 8 months before moving back to Germany (No, not military) back in the early eighties. Washington would have never even thought of such crazy laws back then. What do you expect when the Comifornia mentality populates Washington.

Back to the NRA, Big, the NRA is no Union, or even resembles a Union.

If you don't live in a right to work state, a Union is not an option if you want to work for a company that has been unionized. If you want to work for a company that can afford benefits and training that helps in maintaining a middle class living. I chose not to work Union so I can work in my Trade when I retire. In a right to work to work state, a Union is still prevalent by paying the Union members more than non Union members, per benefits and other incentives. However, they still use the dues to promote their liberal pollitics without any regard to other members that dissagree.

The NRA is completely voluntary and uses the money to fight back the politicians that want to continually erode the 2nd admendant. They must pick and chose their fights due to funding. I volunteered for a local pro gun action commity group for five years in SoCal, and the population that has been bombarded with the continual anti gun propaganda trumped what we tried to prevent. However, if you join the NRA, you know your dues are used for your political objectives.

Maybe Union was the wrong comment, my thought about that was that LIKE A UNION you pay your dues and RECEIVE NOTHING in return just like a UNION. Maybe the word Business would have been more appropriate, the same principle exists you pay for the PRODUCT & get no product support.

BETTER?

 

[KATOOM]

Wow.....such a passionate topic. I find it strangely how oddly "invested" people try to be when discussion gun laws. Its very apparent (to me) that years of propagated opposition made by gun haters has created a society with very uncomfortable feelings towards guns. Gun owners are being tossed in this fascist category as a bunch of crazy gun wielding folks... I wouldn't be surprised if at sometime gun haters try to imply that you're considered a racist, or homophobic, or anti Muslim, etc... if you like guns. Thats usually how their arguments evolve.

As for statistics.....how about all the non-biased sources which show the number of people killed or injured by everyday vehicles. It seems we're way too lenient on how easy it is to acquire a drivers license or buckle in a child car seat since the number of accidents on the road ways far out numbers gun issues. How bout we stop allowing every immigrant take their drivers license test in Spanish...? Oops...it seems I'm possibly an immigrant hater now.

And in regards to kids getting unintentionally shot by a gun... Well I'm no profession stat taker but I know for a fact that my grade schooler is incapable of pulling the trigger or hammer back on my hand guns. Even the small caliber ones too. As crazy as it sounds to some, we go out shooting for fun...and I have to help with most everything because its too hard to pull the trigger or move the action. So that said, I'm not sure who these hulking infants are running around with dads gun. Or...just because the kid stats encompass ages under 18, maybe all those "children" being killed are teenage gangsters or criminals. Seems a bit more legit.

 

[RVTRKN]

Maybe Union was the wrong comment, my thought about that was that LIKE A UNION you pay your dues and RECEIVE NOTHING in return just like a UNION. Maybe the word Business would have been more appropriate, the same principle exists you pay for the PRODUCT & get no product support.

BETTER?

Much better Big.

The NRA is voluntary, and I've not been happy with their tactics of late, and due to this fact, I've not renewed mine. The money spent on stupid gifts if you join the NRA is what turned me off. However if I think it will help in a picticular cause, I'd donate what I could. You have to keep in mind that the liberals know of the power that the NRA can bring in a political fight, that's why the liberals are inundating the NRA with battles all over the Nation to help minimize the money the NRA can spend. So that's how it appears to seem that they have abandoned us here in Comifornia, that the money would go down the drain. There was recently a drive to petition the newest onslaught of laws here in Comifornia that directly effect me, and there was no passion in it from the masses. So do you think the NRA can't see the fact it would have just waisted the money. We're a dying breed of Americans that passionately believe we have a second amendment right to keep and bear arms, and a lot of citizens aren't aware that it is also to protect you from the government if it's out of control.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Much better Big.

The NRA is voluntary, and I've not been happy with their tactics of late, and due to this fact, I've not renewed mine. The money spent on stupid gifts if you join the NRA is what turned me off. However if I think it will help in a picticular cause, I'd donate what I could. You have to keep in mind that the liberals know of the power that the NRA can bring in a political fight, that's why the liberals are inundating the NRA with battles all over the Nation to help minimize the money the NRA can spend. So that's how it appears to seem that they have abandoned us here in Comifornia, that the money would go down the drain. There was recently a drive to petition the newest onslaught of laws here in Comifornia that directly effect me, and there was no passion in it from the masses. So do you think the NRA can't see the fact it would have just waisted the money. We're a dying breed of Americans that passionately believe we have a second amendment right to keep and bear arms, and a lot of citizens aren't aware that it is also to protect you from the government if it's out of control.

The Dying Breed you speak of is probably because in Commiefornia IT IS!!

The Second Amendment HERE IS ALIVE & DOING WELL.!!!

 

[BIGNASTY]

Well, I agree and disagree.


The blanket statements are what I disagree with. Why?


Loaning a gun is no different than loaning any other legally owned item.
- You are saying my children are not allowed to use my guns to hunt. (They are old enough to serve in the military).
- I can not borrow a gun from a friend to try before I buy that model.
- My wife can not use/touch my guns.
- etc.

Now if I loan a gun to a known felon or to someone I know to be wanting to use it in an illegal manner - that ALREADY is illegal - why not enforce that law? So you want another law that covers this?


Same goes for selling a gun.


You are also saying that if someone steals you gun, you are liable for them stealing it. So, when someone stole my car, it was my fault because I decided to own it?


Ever go to a gun show? Try and find someone there who is willing to sell you a gun w/o a background check. I'm fine if it would be required by law, but just try it now. (Yes, I've gone to gun shows and asked folks about this. One time I found ONE person who was selling 3 guns that could have been purchased w/o a background check) The media makes it sound like anyone anywhere can buy from anyone anywhere w/o a background check.


"You" wanna buy a gun from someone in a neighboring state - has to go through an FFL. Already a Federal law.


So now for my soap box - enforce current laws!
EX: straw purchasing - the act of buying a gun for someone who can't. It is a Federal crime:
http://www.dontlie.org/straw_purchasing.cfm

But when someone did that and a police officer was killed - they got probation. They should have been accessory to murder (my opinion).
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...bation-straw-purchaser-bought-gun-cop-killer/


Sorry for the rant.

No need to be sorry I quit reading it when the first unrealistic comparisons were made. Might reread what I posted & do so with a little broader view instead of Tunnel Vision.

 

[BIGNASTY]

I'm offering one last thought on this and leave it alone.

This is what started this little Tiff



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Originally Posted by Tractorat #ad
They passed some new guns laws here in wash state a year or 2 ago. Among them was that now, if you (a private citizen) sell a gun, you have do get an official background check on the buyer. If you loan a gun to someone, you are both guilty of a felony. The nra did absolutely nothing to try to defeat these new laws. I think a lot of folks here in wash ended their membership after that.


So if you think back not long ago in San Bernardino there was some wacked out kid that bought 2 AR's and let two Rag Heads one male & one female go and end I believe it was 14 peoples lives outside a State or County building. The shooters were killed IMO the best part of the entire ordeal. The wacked out kid that bought the AR's that he gave to them SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING???????????? REALLY!!!!

It would have been JUST AS MUCH A CRIME IF THEY WERE ANY TYPE OF FIREARM these just happen to be AR's. If you think so I believe that the Wacked out kid could get up to 25 years in a Fed Prison. But YOUR SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE HE LENT THE GUNS OUT AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY PULL THE TRIGGER HE ISN'T AS MUCH A PART OF THIS AND THE SHOOTERS?????????????



REALLY IF THIS IS YOUR THINKING WE HAVE NOTHING MORE TO TALK ABOUT.

 

[Deleted member 995608]

Cal residents really need to check out CRPA (California Rifle and Pistol Association). They truly work hand in hand with the NRA lobbyist here in this state and are very active. Click the link below and click on Legal Affairs and Legislative Advocacy to find out current news and information. I have said this before and will say it again..... I'm not a fan of the NRA either, but unless we have faith and support something, we will fall like Australia and most of Europe. I bet the Aussie's wish they had and NRA when their government asked them to hand over the firearms.

http://crpa.org

"CRPA is the official state association of the National Rifle Association (NRA), and works together with the NRA, but CRPA is controlled by its own independent Board of Directors. Many of CRPA’s efforts are funded through CRPA’s sister organization, The CRPA Foundation (CRPAF). CRPAF is a 501(c)(3) organization, so contributions to the CRPAF are tax deductible. Every dollar that CRPA receives stays and works in California to support your hunting and Second Amendment rights."

 

[jhenderson]

The man who loaned those 2 criminals guns is guilty of aiding and abetting, and should do serious time. If I loan my friend a deer rifle for him to try before he buys one of his own I shouldn't be charged with anything. One size never fits all.

 

[BIGNASTY]

The man who loaned those 2 criminals guns is guilty of aiding and abetting, and should do serious time. If I loan my friend a deer rifle for him to try before he buys one of his own I shouldn't be charged with anything. One size never fits all.

EXACTLY WHY SOME OF THE LAWS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, THEY WILL NEVER BE THE SAME SIZE SO ERROR ON THE SIDE OF?

Kind of like the statement of if someone stole a car & responsibly. In other words if I went to the shop & my truck was missing
I think that I wouldn't report it in hopes that they brought it back in time. If I went to the gun safes & noticed 1 or 2 missing, I wouldn't report it until they were use in a crime. Then OH BY THE WAY THEY WERE STOLEN LAST YEAR!! I WAS HOPING THE CROOK WOULD FEEL REMORSE & BRING THEM BACK!!!

somehow I dont think anyone besides a Millennial would belive that one!!

Didn't direct this towards you Jh.

 

[Tractorat]

So if you think back not long ago in San Bernardino there was some wacked out kid that bought 2 AR's and let two Rag Heads one male & one female go and end I believe it was 14 peoples lives outside a State or County building. The shooters were killed IMO the best part of the entire ordeal. The wacked out kid that bought the AR's that he gave to them SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING???????????? REALLY!!!!

It would have been JUST AS MUCH A CRIME IF THEY WERE ANY TYPE OF FIREARM these just happen to be AR's. If you think so I believe that the Wacked out kid could get up to 25 years in a Fed Prison. But YOUR SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE HE LENT THE GUNS OUT AND DIDN'T ACTUALLY PULL THE TRIGGER HE ISN'T AS MUCH A PART OF THIS AND THE SHOOTERS?????????????

Not sure what your point is. But, once again, here in wash if you and your buddy are at a range and you let your buddy try your gun out, you both have commited a felony. Not quite the same thing as the san bernardino shooting.

 

[Dan_69GTX]

.....I quit reading it when the first unrealistic comparisons were made .....

Hmmm Ok, I was under the impression we were having a conversation. I didn't realize you just wanted to hear yourself type....oh well....

 

[BIGNASTY]

The point being made until someone being held responsible for someone steeling your car & held responsible because you own one is the un-relevant comparison I was referring to.

Now if someone wanted to buy a gun from me thats registered in MY name. Sure WE WOULD GO TO A RANGE SO THEY COULD SHOOT IT. But to turn over a gun to ANYONE with ME being the registered owner & not being there even if it is a friend taking hunting ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN.

Of course this is dependent on a background check and legal firearms transfer.

 

[Tractorat]

Here in wash, with you standing right there, it is a felony if you let him hold and shoot your gun without a background check.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Here in wash, with you standing right there, it is a felony if you let him hold and shoot your gun.


Just one of MANY REASONS I wouldn't live in WA

 

[Tractorat]

Just one of MANY REASONS I wouldn't live in WA

I hear ya brother.

 

[RVTRKN]

The Dying Breed you speak of is probably because in Commiefornia IT IS!!

The Second Amendment HERE IS ALIVE & DOING WELL.!!!

I don't know your State and will not try to argue this point, BUT I'll bet that if you look into the history of Montana gun laws, they have diluted the laws in more subtle ways, but is still chipping away at them.

 

[FOXY005]

Here in wash, with you standing right there, it is a felony if you let him hold and shoot your gun without a background check.

WOW !!!!!

And how many Sanctuary Cities do you have in the State of Washington ?
Seems a little strange to push the agenda on overruling the constitutional rights of the citizen with locally established policies and bend the rules for the illegal aliens.
Glad I do not live on the left coast.

 

[Tractorat]

And how many Sanctuary Cities do you have in the State of Washington ? #ad

Seems a little strange to push the agenda on overruling the constitutional rights of the citizen with locally established policies and bend the rules for the illegal aliens.
Glad I do not live on the left coast.

Yes, its crazy here. But, the majority of people who live here now are not from here. They brought their politics from cal and the east coast. It is as bad if not worse than cal.