Performance Diesel's Performance Edge

[Archive]

Dyno figures are IN!!

I just got home from the dyno test up in Rhonert Park with Nowell (HVAC) and some of the other locals.

First, I'm trying to figure out why my new "High Output" [sic] motor only makes 195 hp and 394 lbs-ft, but that's not the point of this post.

After we connected Nowell's pre-production PE box, while only seeing a peak of around 25 hp, we DID see an increase of up to 66 hp in the low end. I wish I had a scanner so I could scan the dyno graph, but basically at 25 mph (the pickup for RPM didn't work), it's right next to the stock curve. By 30, it's opening up by about 6 hp. By 35, it's up to 20, by 40 up to 40 hp, by 45 I think it hit our peak of 66 hp, and then drops slowly back down up to around 68 mph where it really drops.

Drivability... WOW! The best way I can describe it is if you've ever driven a Chevy L98 TPI motor and then jumped in a car with the newer LS1. The L98 has instant throttle response and gobs of low-end torque, whereas the LS1 is kinda weak down low and makes all the power up top. This box makes the ISB act like the L98 down low. The truck downright LUNGES when you get on it, to the point of wanting to light up the tires in the rain. If I'd had 3. 54's instead of 4. 10's so I could stay in the power longer, it might have done some nice fishtailing.

Bottom line: I want one, but I also want a regular PowerEdge. I think the two together will make for a 1000x better truck. Still, this box alone is awesome.

I saw no difference in peak boost, and while EGTs do jump up faster, they didn't get any hotter than they had before. This box would be perfect for those that just want more power for towing or load carrying without worrying about EGTs on the high end.

AND, since as Nowell said, it doesn't plug into anything that's traceable by the dealer, so if you have any warranty worries, this won't affect them since it's a five minute install/removal. Heck, since it doesn't make the truck run any hotter, I don't see how it'd damage the motor. You'd be more likely to waste your transmission from all the extra power instead. Heck, I'm not even sure you really need bigger injectors with this box.

Nowell, I WANT ONE!!!!! Now we just need a special GP price on the two. Hehehehe.

Rob
(I'll report more after I drive around more and go up my local benchmark hill)

 

[Archive]

While I have a number of posts to respond to I need to acknowledge Rob's post first. I'll be happy to supply you with one of the production versions Rob and I am glad you like the product. Just wait till you get a lil Camaro or the like hitchin' a ride behind your big ol' truck. The new product will be providing power right in your ballywick #ad
After you headed out we installed a set of 275 injectors in a truck just like yours ("01 4x4 dually). We had 220 stock and 255 after the injectors on Brad's dynojet. I propose the injectors combined with the "Performance Edge" will provide a terrific package for those that tow frequently. 100 horsepower with sane EGT's #ad

 

[Archive]

Mopar... i think any of the major axle companies like Strange,Moser, or Mark Williams can make anything you want... JB

 

[Archive]

So the #'s described above on the Dyno, how does that compare to the VA?

Sky

------------------
2001 QuadCab,SWB,4X4,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
4-Sale 1994 4X4 cummins, Two tone blue and silver, all stock 105k
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Archive]

Hvac. . check your e-mail. #ad
#ad

 

[Archive]

Sky, the VA dynoed at 40 hp over stock on a dynojet on the east coast (I have not personally dyno tested it). The Performance Edge we offer showed 66 hp over stock at about the same rpm's (2000). Comparisons to the VA stop at the point where it is clear that the "Performance Edge" has an integral boost module. This means you can add some 275 injectors without fear of defueling at higher boost levels.

 

[Archive]

Just happened to trip across the "Power Edge" boys last night. They are trying to get the CARB certification on their product so they can get it on the market. Watching the initial emmissions numbers here lookes like they will have no problem with certification.
This is a first class bunch of guys who know their stuff. This product should be the lastest and greatest for us BOMBers. HVAC sign me up!

------------------
98 Properly Valved 4x4 SWB QC ISB A/T Metallic Red w/ tan cloth interior, DC nerf bars, DC two piece mud-flaps, 275 h. p. injectors, Monroe Gas Magnums, Armor Tuff spray in bed liner, Goodyear Wrangler ATS 285/75r/16, BD Heavy Duty Valve body. Walker 21468 thru flow muffler,Cobra 29 NWST CB. American Racing Wheels.

 

[Archive]

I had a great experience yesterday, My son and I were fortunate enough to spend 3hrs. with Brett and Taylor testing the new performance Edge EZ module in two different dodge trucks and comparing it to the VA. The first truck a 2001 HO 6-sp W/275rv. injectors with boost module and gauges, 4" exhaust, running 315x75x16 tires. We made a couple of test runs, near Park city, and Kamas Utah at varing inclines between 3% and 7%. The purpose of the tests were not to determine elapse time and speed, but to compare throttle response, max. RPM between gears, EGT's, boost, and visable smoke. (or the seat of the pants feel). I hope I don't go into a long post, however, this may help some of you with questions regarding the difference between the VA and EZ. When starting in 2nd. gear (we're on the VA) In every case a hesitation would occur, before the engine would catch up with the VA fueling. At this point and through shifting to 3rd Heavy smoke would appear until the boost would increase. This I thought and accepted was normal due to the heavy fueling of the VA and 275's as others of you have experienced. As we accellerated through the gears 4th -5th and upshifting to 6th at 2500 rpm wot, I was trying to impress Brett and Taylor how well my truck would go while they we busy sitting in my back seat-eyes glued to their lap-top as we hit around a 100 miles/hr. and backed off and made a couple of other runs, varing top rpm in each gear etc. Then, we hooked-up the Edge EZ module and basically did the same thing. . Now here's the part you have been waiting for: #1. the first thing that happened, the hesitation was gone. #2. The power increase between the shift/gears was incrediable. #3. In each gear I was able to exceed 3200 RPM with-out bench marking around 2700 and then crawling to 3000 + as in past with the VA, In other words the power kept coming on right up to 3200 RPM and had to back off at times before shifting up. #5. a "major" increase in power at low end and continuing all the way to the top!!! #5. (you will like this, no more detectable "smoke" period!) I got so excited while testing, I think I scared Brett and Taylor a little going up 7% grades at 90+ and on turns with speed limit Max. postings 45MPH and still accellerating in 6th gear even with my clutch slipping. #6. Max boost was between 30-32 and Egt's-post turbo 700-800 ( with max. load 4-excited guys). Outside temp. 42 degrees altitude 5700'. I'm not going into all the testing details of my sons truck, by the way it too was a 2001, but auto,pretty much stock w/VA. Pretty much same results, however boost was limited to 20psi which affected overall performance. In conclusion, I have two fairly new VA's for sale! In my humble opinion, With the New performance Edge-EZ module( which includes a built in boost module) and will come with a boost elbow for hardlined westgate/or standard line. Our members,75% will be 100% satisified with it's performance as compared with the VA. With the addition of 275RV injectors 95% will be 125% satisfied. Of course others like HVAC fall into the 5% that more is better and there is no such thing as enough! ( kind of like a pig!!) P. S. Mr. webmaster, This post is strickly my own R&D opinion and I am not affliated with Performance Edge products or their resellers. #ad
#ad
#ad
#ad


------------------
2001 HO 6-sp 4x4 "stock as the day it was born" or should I now say "re-born"

[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 10-13-2000). ]

[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 10-13-2000). ]

 

[Archive]

HVAC put me on the list!

------------------
2001 QuadCab,SWB,Auto, 4X4,4" Flowmaster Exhaust,... ...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
4-Sale 1994 4X4 cummins, Two tone blue and silver, all stock 105k
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Archive]

I assume the new EZ box advances the timing from stock, as does the VA. What is the timing advanced to with the EZ??

------------------
2000 3500QC 4x4, 6-speed, 3. 54, Patriot Blue, SLT+, Rancho 9K's, Mag-Hytec, Hot PE, 275's, 4" exhuast.

 

[Archive]

This is a follow-up response to several frequently asked questions (FAQ)regarding my post test comparsion between the VA and Edge EZ.
1. Why were you only getting 20lbs. of boost on the test truck (auto) with the EZ? ( The reason was, even with the boost module built into the EZ box without the boost-elbow neither the VA or EZ would exceed factory setting. We had a Hardlind westgate on the auto and at the time of testing, w/o an elbow. My understanding is the EZ will come with a boost elbow for the hardline application, as well as one for regular. When ordering from your supplier be sure to tell them what type of application you will be using. )
2. How does the Edge EZ install? ( Like the VA it simply plugs into exzisting wire harness. However, because of the different approach each manufacture has taken in regards to fueling and timming increases the location of the plug-in points are different. )
3. Can I run the VA and the Edge EZ together? ( NO. . They are not compatible and performance would be compromised. )
4. Is the Edge EZ power levels adjustible? ( Like the VA the EZ is not adjustible and fits under your hood like the VA)
5. How much does the Edge EZ costs? ( If I knew I would not be able to post!! However, final costs are currently being developed and I understand it will be "VERY" competitive with the VA. )
6. What is the HP difference between the VA and EZ? (Do to our limited time of test we were not able to determine. HVAC and others have done some Dyno-testing and it appears the EZ out performs in that area. )
7. Are you telling me the VA is obsolete? ( NO. . The VA is still one of the best moderate up-grades on the market today. It all depends on what performance level you are happy with ie. , some stock, some want more for towing etc. Both products can do this, However, the EZ has a built-in boost module and comes with boost elbow for those who want to go futher. )
8. I don't have gauges and have a VA now, If I get the EZ will I have to get gauges? ( The answer is YES and NO. . I recommend with any planned up-grading whether it be with the VA or EZ a set of gauges is a must. This provides you with base line information on your stock vehicle and will let you determine changes in EGT's, Boost, Trans. Temp. if auto, with each up-grade. Either the VA or the EZ should not exceed safe levels of EGT's, however, gauges provide instant confirmation. )
9. Would I need to upgrade may transmission to handle the increased HP and torque of the Edge EZ? ( Again when you increase HP and Torque you do put increased strain on torque converters and manual clutches. I would venture to say our stock trucks whether auto or manual can handle the increase HP and Torqe of the VA and Edge EZ. However, anthing above that, injectors ie. will definally require up-grades to the transmission. I am a prime example of this as my manual clutch can't handle the increased HP and torque increases as a result of my up-grades. There are other aftermarket products currently available and also being developed to take care of this problem. )

Again, the product testing is of my own opinion. . Only you can measure what level of performance is satisfactory to you. Whenever you can, test some elses set-up and see what you like. . Remember, Up-grading performance may void your warranty.


------------------
2001 HO 6-sp 4x4 "stock as the day it was born" or should I now say "re-born"

[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 10-13-2000). ]

 

[Archive]

Chaw. . I can't answer that question. . All I can say is the fueling and timming curves are different and both manufactures have approached the issue in two different ways as evident as to each hooks-up to the engine harness at different locations.

[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 10-13-2000). ]

 

[Archive]

HeberRam -

What is the purpose of having a built in "boost module" if it doesn't let me build boost higher than the stock limit of 20 psi. I was under the impression that the boost module clips the MAP signal at 20 psi to prevent the wastegate from opening or does the boost module just prevent defueling only? Thanks.

Steve


------------------
2001 2500 SLT QC LWB 4x4, AT, 3. 54 anti-spin, tow package, camper special, snow plow prep, travel group, SRW, RKE, fog lights, bright white / agate, Cody gooseneck hitch, silencer ring?, A-pillar mounted VDO Vision EGT, transmission temp, and boost guages.

[This message has been edited by zman (edited 10-13-2000). ]

 

[Archive]

Zman

The boost module limits the voltage sent to the computer which in turn fools the computer making it think the boost is only at 20 psi. Anything over that will result in the wastegate opening causing defueling. The reason for the elbow is to vent out pressure being sent to the wastegate as the boost increases over 20psi preventing it from opening earily and thus allowing more boost. The boost module by itself will not allow increased boosts without an elbow or some other device delaying the wastegate from opening. It is both the boost module and the elbow that allows you to gain more boost over 20 psi. On average by doing this you can expect your boost to reach up to 32 psi. The basic principal of more boost allows you to burn more efficently the increased amout of fuel being supplied by your module ie. VA or EZ. This results in more power and less smoke when boost increases. That's why the VA can be made to do the same thing by installing a practical solutions boost module and elbow. However, the Edge EZ module incorporates a built in boost module and comes with a boost elbow depending if you have a hardlined wastegate or one with rubber tubing. The Edge EZ module has better incorporated the use of boost as it relates to the fuel being delivered for maximizing burn, therefore, less smoke more power through-out the entire power band. Their process for this make the Edge EZ run circles around the VA.

[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 10-13-2000). ]

 

[Archive]

Has anybody backed off the throttle long enough yet to find out what this box does to mileage when you're not accelerating up big hills or pulling load on a dyno?

 

[Archive]

HC, we don't have enough product to do any long term testing yet. The Performance Edge is expected to improve economy due to the improvment in the fuel timing.

Another point on the boost module addition to the Performance Edge/EZ, you can add a set of 275 injectors for a nice combo without any defueling. It had been noted that the elbow improved the VA and so the addition of the boost module is a natural. I intend to offer the module along with a set of 275's as a combo package.

 

[Archive]

HC. . HVAC is correct! I going to stick my neck out and say as a result of the Edge EZ being able to perfectly balance fueling, timming, and boost through-out the power band which achieves proper burning of fuel that maximizes HP, There is no question in my mind mileage performance will increase. This is evident by the massive reduction of smoke which is excess fuel not properly being burned. I'm currently getting with the VA,boost module w/elbow, 275rv's, 315x75x16 tires. . 16. 3MPG city, and 18. 9MPH hiway @ 80MPH @2000 RPM in 6th gear. ( In my opinion a 10% increase in fuel mileage using the Edge EZ should be expected) #ad
#ad
#ad


[This message has been edited by HeberRam (edited 10-21-2000). ]

 

[Archive]

Back to the top!!! I haven't heard anything lately about the EZ. I was in Salt Lake for my cousins funeral, (he flew his plane into the side of a mountain in California) and gave Brett a call. I was not able to make a meeting with him though. I had to leave and get back to Vegas. Sorry Brett. I would like to get some more feadback on the EZ. I would like to try one in my truck before the actual purchase if possible. I think the EZ and 275's or DDI's or DDII's would be fantastic if everything that is being said about them is true. I would like to see for myself though. (Of course I would never BOMB my Truck before the warranty is out in case anyone is reading this that my be interested in my warranty with DC. )

------------------
2000 Dodge Cummins Diesel
6 sp manual, every option except automatic and sports package!! SnugTop Shell and Professional FireFighter License Plates. (To match my Flame Red Truck of course!!)

 

[Archive]

higher than stock boost is possible without a boost elbow , you just have to have enough horsepower ... hehehe , i was able to make over 32 psi with my 2000 , that was with the edge , 275's and a VA , with the DD elbow i could make 44 psi , i put in the edge adjustable elbow and it will peak at 42 , but hovers at 38 till the TC locks then jumps to 42psi ... I NEED AN EZ EDGE ... help???

 

[Archive]

Rob G and HVAC-- your narratives don't sound to convincing. I sense a little bit of doubt-maybe apprehension-uncertainty-unbelieveablity. If you don't believe it how can you expect me to have any confidence in the product. STILL LOOKING FOR MO PWR!! Maybe your too close to the product to be objective? I mean you guys talk about adding this to that then that to this, where does it end? Just how far can you go without blowing the d--n thing up? Every time I read about a new enhancement it just gets me more confused and you guys only seem to hawk one product. What about all the other new things being offered by established dealers. Seems I'm just getting a onesided view of the upgrade world. GIMME A BREAK!!! WHERE CAN A GUY GET A SIMPLE UPGRADE W/O HAVING TO CONTINUOSLY TO ADD-ON and ON and ON. YOU GUYS AIN'T TALKING NICKLE AND DIME STUFF NOT FROM SOME OF THE PRICES I'VE GLEANED FROM THE VARIOUS WEB SITES. 98. 5 2500 QC,SB W/ camper shell, whitw w/driftwood lower 2wd,3. 54, loaded w/o leather,chrome Westin step bars, BD tc/vb w/trans temp,4" BD exhaust from turbo back, firestone airbags, heavy duty pullrite hitch, Bug sheilds, 4x4 type mud flaps front and back, Amsoil bypass & air filter.

[This message has been edited by arar (edited 10-20-2000). ]

[This message has been edited by arar (edited 10-20-2000). ]