Power Edge Fueling Module

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HVAC (and Brett),
How would you expect the Edge (level I) with DD I's to work with cruise control in my 99 5spd??

Not to get folks worked up, as I am only in my first week of real PE operation, but the truck had a real hard time holding 55 on a hilly road. There was quite a bit of hunting and speed swings with overshooting,etc.

I imagine the Ram's computer is trying to remap the speed control on the fly and hopefully this will go away real soon.

I never saw this with the VA or the injector upgrade.

Any thoughts or observations from others?

Sure, I could hold 55 with the PE off if I wanted to but whats the fun of that. #ad

 

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Now you guys got me concerned. I am ready to install my Power Edge this weekend and gauges in preparation for towing our boat to Lake Powell in two weeks. All this talk about the stumble has me worried. From what others have said, I am 100% sure the guys at Power Edge will take care of us. I am concerned about towing and traveling that far with a box that may have problems. Most of you guys with the stumble seem to be ETH motors and mine is a stock y2k motor. Any thoughts regarding my concerns would be appreciated

Also let me take this opportunity to thank Mike and friends. He invited me to come join him and a couple other Diesel Drivers to his shop a few weeks ago to see the right way to install gauges. I learned a few tricks and meet three great TDR members. I must confess, I can't remember who else was there besides Mike… I am terrible about remembering names… Thanks Again to all!!! #ad



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Diesel Dad, are your comments directed at Mike Vonada?

I suggest you install your PE and head for the hills #ad
While we have seen a stumble reported, the extent of the problem has been quantified as lasting almost 1/2 a second.

Enjoy your Power Edge #ad

 

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HVAC, yes my coments are directed at Mike Vonada I should have been more clear. #ad
I think I will Install and see what happens. My truck now has 18k miles on it and early on < 3k miles it stumbled several times. I almost took it to the dealer. However sence then It has not done it.
By the way... Thanks for all the work and info you post here. I am interested in the fuel pump stuff you have been working on and the upgraded fuel lines. Keep us posted.

 

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HVAC, yes my coments are directed at Mike Vonada I should have been more clear. #ad
I think I will Install and see what happens. My truck now has 18k miles on it and early on < 3k miles it stumbled several times. I almost took it to the dealer. However sence then It has not done it.
By the way... Thanks for all the work and info you post here. I am interested in the fuel pump stuff you have been working on and the upgraded fuel lines. Keep us posted.

 

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Originally posted by DieselDad:
Most of you guys with the stumble seem to be ETH motors and mine is a stock y2k motor.

From looking at recent post it seems like the engine stumble problem is on the 2000's and 99's. Haven't had any such experiences on the 2001 ETH/HO with the PE installed for a month and over 3000 miles (knock on wood).

And to comment on a previous post about where to hook up the power supply, there was no such step that gave a specific location, it just said to find one. After talking with HVAC I decided to hook the power right to the battery as he said his was running fine that way.

Kyle

 

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The stumble problem appears to be some sort of electrical ground related problem which dosen't appear in all trucks. Edge Products has redesigned their ground circuit to help eliminate noise which is occuring in the line. But it looks as though the problem is in the stock truck wiring and the PE is only amplifying things. Their electrical engineer is working on things.

 

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i too think it looks more like an '00 , '99 problem ... and could be related to where power is connected ... i am looking to see if this is it ... those that have the stumble please email me ( so as not to make this thread any bigger than it needs to be ) and note where your power connection is , underhood , or in the fuse box in the cab . also if you have stumble with on or off , or like me both .....

i also looked into the tsb a bit and it is for early build '00 , and if you read the procedure it tells the tech that when he connects, the link will detrmine if it needs to be flashed or not . i have 14k miles and no stumble before . i am running 275 injectors and the DD boost elbow which lets me see a spike in boost to 42 psi in my HOT # 3 setting .

david vt , i ran mine on the highway in cruise for about 10 miles in #2 with no hunting at all . yesterday i put it in # 3 and it was all over the place . plus i drove home most of the way in my # 3 and i can tell you this ... HOT # 3 is not for stock autos , while doing about 80 i gave it some loud pedal , not enough to unlock the TC and the rpms climbed much faster than speed did ... good thing i'm having the fluid changed this week , my #3 is for PSD spanking only till i get the TC and valvebody replaced ...

i also in the mean time came up with a new mounting spot till i branch off a seperate L. E. D. to put up at road level , i mounted it on top of the steering column , the wire goes down nicely behind the knee bolster and it's easier to see and keep a wandering eye on the road ahead ...

[This message has been edited by Mopar-muscle (edited 07-06-2000). ]

 

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Mike…Thanks for the offer, at this time I don't know when I will be doing the truck.

HVAC … Is it ok to hook the edge box directly to the battery… on all the time. What about current draw? It's probably not much but there are times my truck sits and is not started for a week at a time, not often but it will happen…(suffering from diesel withdrawal when that happens )

All… this ground thing is interesting. About 2 years ago, at the Camp I sometimes work at our radio guy put a new programmable 2 way radio in the fire truck. Hooked power to the hot buss under the dash and ground to the chassis. Every once and a while it would loose programming. Making a long story short he hooked up a scope between the diesel engine block and chassis ground. While I drove the truck around camp he noticed a fairly large spike occasionally on the scope. We connected a heavy ground wire between engine, chassis and the point on the chassis in the cab where the radio was grounded and no more problems in two years. Having worked in the Pro Audio business for a few years, I know this ground loop stuff can drive one crazy. If HVAC says it's ok to kook to the battery directly I may try that.

 

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MM, Thanks for the mounting tip. I'll go out and try it in a little while.

Brett called me last night and said the same thing about the noise problem. He said that after the engineers have looked at the noise problem,they're sure that they have isolated it to the poweredge itself and are sending me a new upgraded Hot Edge that is noise free.
We discussed the fact that some of the boxes put out more noise than others and that's why my original Hot Edge hasn't stumbled but the one time,2 weeks ago.

I'm getting a new program in the new Hot Edge that he's sending. He's dropping the Level 1 program and my Hot Edge levels will be, #1/60hp,#2/80hp & Hot #3/100+,since I don't run in #1 with the current Hot Edge.

I asked Brett about the new LED's for the Edge. He said it would have 3 LED's.

Yellow for #1
Orange for #2
Red for #3

The exchange would be $50. 00 for the new one. I don't know exact time available.
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MM,
I figured out the drifting cruise control.

It is my clutch. #ad
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Even on PE Level I, the clutch is slipping when the cruise control tries to come back to setpoint with any kind of load (i. e. uphill with boost up).

It looks like when I hit the 'magic' PE boost threshold, the power jumps nonlinear and that is enough to overpower my clutch.

I hope Brett reads this and shoots me some advice. I am leaving for my trip tomorrow, hoping the clutch survives.

I wonder if the DD elbow is causing me to generate more boost then the PE elbow would have. If so, I might be able to minimize the power spike by swapping to it. Anyone have any advice on that?

HVAC & Brett,
You better start putting a clutch referral card in those PE boxes. #ad


[This message has been edited by David_VT (edited 07-07-2000). ]

 

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more chiming in , got my VA back today , put it on with the edge , WWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! , we NEED a TIMING INCREASE #ad
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... hint hint ... wink wink ... nudge nudge ... in HOT #3 with the VA i can create HVAC SMOKE LEVELS ... . this is good , when needed ... bad when not , felt good in level 1 , better in level 2 ... now to get into the trans ... #ad

 

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The PE with the VA does run well but makes alot of smoke. Power is there instantly with a big black cloud. The PE will wait for some boost. I noticed my mileage way down with this combo.

Sold the VA, waiting for info on the super hot PE!!

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NOW HERE IS A THOUGHT!!!!!!!

Stealth Bombers who want to go with the PE and ALREADY HAVE A VA pay Attention!!!

Since the PE uses pins that pierce the insulation of the wires to make contact. .
They are still POSSIBLE DETECTABLE...

A simple "Wet" Continuity test will show this

So... Why not Pierce the wires that go to the pump on the VA side of the connector?????

That way. . when the VA comes out. . the PE does also... .

The Stock harness NEVER GETS PIERCED and will be TOTALLY INTACT!!!!

The VA as you know has a FEMALE end and a MALE end that EXACTLY MIMICS the stock harness...

All you would need to know is wether to pin the PE before or after the VA!!!

Before the VA..... you'd pierce the VA wires on the side that goes into the factory harness...

After the VA... . you'd pierce the VA wires on the side that goes into the Pump!!!!

TOTAL STEALTH!!!!!

How does this sound!!!! It should work!!!

Larry

 

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NOW HERE IS A THOUGHT!!!!!!!

Stealth Bombers who want to go with the PE and ALREADY HAVE A VA pay Attention!!!

Since the PE uses pins that pierce the insulation of the wires to make contact. .
They are still POSSIBLE DETECTABLE...

A simple "Wet" Continuity test will show this

So... Why not Pierce the wires that go to the pump on the VA side of the connector?????

That way. . when the VA comes out. . the PE does also... .

The Stock harness NEVER GETS PIERCED and will be TOTALLY INTACT!!!!

The VA as you know has a FEMALE end and a MALE end that EXACTLY MIMICS the stock harness...

All you would need to know is wether to pin the PE before or after the VA!!!

Before the VA..... you'd pierce the VA wires on the side that goes into the factory harness...

After the VA... . you'd pierce the VA wires on the side that goes into the Pump!!!!

TOTAL STEALTH!!!!!

How does this sound!!!! It should work!!!

Larry

 

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Darn Double posts... ...
Tried to delete one. . and was not given permission from the server.....


SSSSSSOOOORRRYYYYYYY

Larry

 

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larry i was able to delete a double post , sometimes it takes 2 tries ... if it doesn't work just delete the text , that way it takes up less storage ...

chaw is correct , lots of smoke , and on anything but level 1 when accelerating , smoke all the time your foot is in it. but power was also right away , the edge does have a lag when you first hit it , but i think i can get rid of some of that when i modify my trans , especially the sloppy convertor.

now yto your thought larry , not possible , if it was blue box and tst would have done it that way long ago , the problem is that the fueling levels created by the boxes connected after the electronics can not be attained before the electronics , if they could a box like the VA with a map connection and a LARGE fuel curve would kick butt. the edge is a step in the right direction , now that the stumble problem is fixed ( forgot to mention in my post that i have not had a stumble with the newest released box)maybe brett and taylor can get down to business on a timing module , i wonder if a user adjustable option would be a good idea ? just thinking out loud.

 

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I think you've missed my point.

(Stock Setup)Pump--\\---------Factory Harness

(VA Only) Pump--\\-----Va------\\-----Fct. Harn

(STD PE) Pump--\\-------^^-------Fact. Harn


(VA+PE) Pump--\\--^^----Va----\\----Fct. Harn

(ALT. VA+PE) Pump--\\----Va-----^^--\\---Fact. Harn


\\= Factory type connectors

^^ = Piercing type connectors WHERE THE PE TAPS IN!!!


As you can see since PE offers a "With VA Box" cofiguration... the only differance is where the wires get pierced.

If the VA's wires are the ones to be pierced. . then as soon as the VA comes off the truck. . there is NEVER any indication that either the VA or the PE were ever there!


ToTal StEaLtH... .


[This message has been edited by Larry Quinn (edited 07-08-2000). ]

[This message has been edited by Larry Quinn (edited 07-08-2000). ]

 

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I believe I agree with Mopar Muscle.

The VA is limited by the computer on the pump. The VA will max this computers limits for fueling etc. but do no more. This is why the performance of the VA is very low on the performance scale. Fueling boxes connect to the wire between the pump computer and the solenoid that controls fuel to the injectors. In this way the boxes bypass the limits in the pump computer. Mucho more #ad
without a doubt #ad

 

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Pretty cool thinking Larry, I wish it could be done the way you perscribe. Let me try my hand at flow charts #ad


Stock. . fuel solenoid---pump---//---ECM

W/VA... fuel sol---pump--//VA//---ECM

W/Box. . fuel sol-//-box tap-//-pump--ECM