Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) Quad-adrenalin

[AHire]

The Adrenaline defuels as smooth as it fuels. The way the pull this of is by gradually stepping it down rather than shutting fuel off at a certain point. So it starts stepping down when it starts sensing warm egts and x% tps, not letting them run away

 

[wlowe]

So does anyone have any experience with this ISSPRO FP sensor from Glacier? This is the only thing keeping me from installing my Adreline sitting on my bench. I have talked to two different people at QUAD and one says they will have a sensor by the middle of June, the other says they are not going to offer one at all. BAD NEWS!!!!! Also, according to QUAD, the Adreline WILL NOT monitor fuel temperature until there is a FP sensor installed. MORE BAD NEWS!!!!



Someone, PLEASE chime in. Thanks

I personally don't understand why Quad is having such a hard time finding a fuel pressure sensor for the Pulse/Adrenaline. My Edge J/A came with a FP sensor that is within 1/2 psi of my other FP guage. Maybe Quad should find out who is making the FP sensors for Edge and source one from that distributor.

 

[DCreed]

I think it has to do with the specific voltage Quad used which is in the hardware so not easy to swap.

 

[JesseJ]

In quads defense, they decided not to send a FP sensor because they couldn't find one that would last. I was told they are going to have one soon available for purchase. He lowered the price to take into account no FP sensor being shipped with ADR/Pulse. How is that BS? He was pretty honest and straight-forward with it AND he's still working on it.



As for the defueling, as others have said, they don't just let it run to your magic set point and then kill all fuel to stop the rise. The closer you get to your set EGT the more they will ramp it down. They want it to be more of a gradual defuel than a sudden defuel. I personally like that feature, it would be quite annoying if the fuel killed suddenly. It fuels much smoother than the smarty did and the defuel for me isn't really noticeable unless I have it set on PL10 and have it to the floor through 3rd,4th and I'm well into 5th gear before the defuel even becomes noticeable. It fuels smooth and strong, I have no complaints.

 

[darkhorse]

It fuels much smoother than the smarty did [/QUOTE]



I'm not meaning to pick an argument, just trying to understand. First, the Smarty doesn't tap the wire for extra fueling like the Adrenaline so it seems like apples & oranges to me. My Smarty "fuels" pretty smoothly well past 3k but I don't push it hard enough to find the upper limit. Now when I turn up my APB there is a power surge when that fueling comes on but that isn't anything I'd call rough.

 

[DCreed]

DARKHORSE-

My Smarty "fuels" pretty smoothly well past 3k but I don't push it hard enough to find the upper limit. Now when I turn up my APB there is a power surge when that fueling comes on but that isn't anything I'd call rough. [/QUOTE]



smarty alters the APPS signal to the ECM and increases it by % based on level. So it can cause a hard early hit, however it tends to fall on its face in the upper RPMs unless run WITH an added fueling box. stand alone its not comparable, and stacking is apples to oranges ,too.

 

[darkhorse]

smarty alters the APPS signal to the ECM and increases it by % based on level. So it can cause a hard early hit, however it tends to fall on its face in the upper RPMs unless run WITH an added fueling box. stand alone its not comparable, and stacking is apples to oranges ,too. [/QUOTE]



My first CaTCHER pregame was before Smarty. I sent my ECM to Italy. It replaced my Edge EZ. The throttle response was much better. Overall power was pretty much the same. To me, that was what it was all about. I had Mach 1. 5's at the time so I never ran it on an otherwise stock motor. I wouldn't say it fell on it's face at higher speeds but if one were used to a heavy fueling box it might seem that way. I never experienced some of the problems I heard others complain about. Now to compare apples with apples one should run the Adrenaline without the wire tap or run Smarty with a fueling box (Adrenaline has a $$ advantage there) & both with the same injectors.

 

[DCreed]

lots of similar comparisons have been done. I will do one myself this friday. but as with most, it will be unfair as I have changed other components as well. someday maybe someone will try each "box" available side by side and compare each both on a dyno and in the quarter w/without a load. someday...

 

[JesseJ]

Perhaps I should rephrase, I hated the super touchy throttle of the smarty on high levels. It seemed that as soon as you touched the throttle it was either all fuel or no fuel at all, that's what I was trying to explain when I said it fuels smooth, and yes I realize the comparison can't be "fair" between tap boxes and non-tap boxes, just my observances from using both products.

 

[darkhorse]

I hated the super touchy throttle . [/QUOTE]





Fair enough. Different strokes & all, ... . I like it. :-laf I know, 5 is only a little softer than 9. Sorry about hyjacking the thread, but I do like comparing products.

 

[Spunkys Ram]

I personally don't understand why Quad is having such a hard time finding a fuel pressure sensor for the Pulse/Adrenaline. My Edge J/A came with a FP sensor that is within 1/2 psi of my other FP guage. Maybe Quad should find out who is making the FP sensors for Edge and source one from that distributor.

They are two different types of sensors. Edge uses a 'transducer' type sensor (3 pin, 1 for power, 1 for ground, 1 for signal), the 'old' Adreline sensor is a 'resistor' type sensor (1 pin for signal). They are not interchangable. I LOVED the Edge sensor when I had my Juice, very accurate, I just hope the one Quad comes up with is reliable and accurate. FP is WAY TOO IMPORTANT NOT TO HAVE!!!

 

[DCreed]

I just hope the one Quad comes up with is reliable and accurate. FP is WAY TOO IMPORTANT NOT TO HAVE!!!

amen!!

 

[Bob Cochran]

I want to say so there is not mistake I am thrilled with the Adrenaline performance. I think the BS part was when I talked to them by phone I asked why no FP sensoror as some got a card that I guess will let them get the FP free when available and instructions still talked about FP sensor install(I probably was nto charged for the FP but have no way of knowing I will say I was not). They said in process of changing directions remove reference to FP sensor install, thats ok. They told me one would be available from them in June but have told others they will not be supplying them, not good. I asked for FP sensor spec's so I can source one someplace else and they said I should wait for theirs and would not give me the necessary spec's, not good.

I think it is this inconsistency that makes it sound like BS and frustrating. Maybe they need a little question and answer session with there customer service people so at least we all get the same story. One of the problems here we all share what we are told and compare!!!

 

[qzilla]

You were not charged for the sensor and I can explain how and why really quickly.



When we first advertised the Adrenaline and started taking orders we had a full supply of FP sending units that worked fine and we had a LOT more on order. The first boxes had a higher retail price than they currently do.



So when people started ordering them and dealers started taking money or deposits or whatever it was for this higher price.



Before the 1st modules were ever shipped we found out that we would no longer be supplied with the sensor. WE had a ton of stock and so we shipped the first group (the people that paid more for them) with the sensors and then notified all of our distributors and dealers of the situation. We then knocked $50 off the price and shipped them without the sensor. We left everything else needed to work witha sensor so that we could offer a sensor as soon as they were available to us.



Now, I still have FP sending units here (the original ones) but, I am not going to sell them because we want to have stock in the event people need sending units warrantied (even though we do not get the bad ones replaced at this point).



It would be a lot easier for me to just sell what I have and not sit on thousands of $$$$$ worth of sending units but, we do not do business that way. We have enough stock to cover everything we have shipped with FP sending unit for the entire warranty period.





With all that said, watch our website. We have a short run of new sending units on their way with a larger order about 12 weeks out. You will be able to buy these directly off our site at a reasonable cost.



I am not sure how any of that is BS? What would you prefer that we do? Sell our stock we held back and tell you tough luck if it failed? Not sell any Adrenaline modules? Give them away for free???? It does not sound like anything we could have done would have made you happy.



By the way, this is straight from the horses mouth and this is about the 5th time I have repeated this.

 

[Spunkys Ram]

I understand where you are coming from Quad. I know you have no control over your supplier. I'm not blaming you. The only frustruation I have is that I have talked to two different people at your place and got two different stories. One says middle of June, the other says we are not going to supply one. This is my frustruation, I will keep an eye out on your site for further notice. Do you know if the one from Glacier is an acceptable one to use? I want to install my Adreline but I will not without FP. Thank you for your time.



Spunky

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I am not sure how any of that is BS?

Seems to me, the frustration, and BS call, is quite easy to understand - AND to control!



When an issue of this type surfaces, the MAKER (Quad) needs to sit ALL his phone support people down and tell them EXACTLY what the proper answer is to the common questions asked daily by customers - if TELLING the phone support people doesn't work, write them a damn SCRIPT, complete with pictures, if need be!



And don't let non-support people NEAR the phone to answer support questions!



Customers - and probably individuals - like Quad - really dislike runarounds and rep replies that change by the hour and day... Why is that so hard for a supplier to understand - or correct?



By the way, this seems to be a pretty common supplier weakness - Edge has had MANY similar gripes sent their way, just to name one. Sometimes the actual product is seen to be only as good and reliable as the phone support that backs it up - and often, that is a pretty reasonable and accurate view...

 

[darkhorse]

I want to install my Adreline but I will not without FP. Thank you for your time.



Spunky[/QUOTE]



Why not? You already have a fuel pressure gauge, right?

 

[Gary - K7GLD]

I want to install my Adreline but I will not without FP. Thank you for your time.



Spunky

Why not? You already have a fuel pressure gauge, right?

Doesn't the Adrenaline USE the pressure guage input to control some of it's operating functions?

 

[DCreed]

only with the pulse and only if set up to do so.

 

[darkhorse]

only with the pulse and only if set up to do so.

What does it use FP data for?