CF- I know that you tend to lean to the left, but I have to dis agree with you on RL sticking his foot in his mouth. I think that the the left (read: media) wants to believe this and is forcing the issue when he was not ribbing African- Americans per se but rather the media in general. His was offering an opinion for which the media is not allowing him a voice of free speech of opinion.
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CF- I know that you tend to lean to the left, but I have to dis agree with you on RL sticking his foot in his mouth. I think that the the left (read: media) wants to believe this and is forcing the issue when he was not ribbing African- Americans per se but rather the media in general. His was offering an opinion for which the media is not allowing him a voice of free speech of opinion.
illflem- aggreed, he is not being denied freedom of speech but rather, as stated, free speech of opinion. The left is all for free opinion as long as it is in line with thier idealogy. The media tried to turn this incident into a racial issue when it was not the case. The media did not like the spotlight turned on them when a point of view accusing them of racial preference was offered. Again- not race, but an acusation against the media is the issue.
All of which is one man's opinion of which the media (left) did not like. Rush was exercising his freedom of speech but some folks do not care for his ideals and try to turn his thoughts into something they want to hear for thier own benefit.
Sometime people are offended because opinions hit too close to home. I have said this in other instances (re: the term "stealers") and in this case the it hit too close to the media.
Sorry for the rant- just my opinion. -frank
All of which is one man's opinion of which the media (left) did not like. Rush was exercising his freedom of speech but some folks do not care for his ideals and try to turn his thoughts into something they want to hear for thier own benefit.
Sometime people are offended because opinions hit too close to home. I have said this in other instances (re: the term "stealers") and in this case the it hit too close to the media.
Sorry for the rant- just my opinion. -frank
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You have a point Frank. Radio has a much different audience than TV, you can get away with much more ideaology and opinion on radio. I believe he forgot which audience he was speaking to. You cannot go out of text on TV, or make an opinion on any race issue, it will and has bitten many on the butt.
I really think his analogy on the media was correct. But his use of drugs is another thing all together.
You have a point Frank. Radio has a much different audience than TV, you can get away with much more ideaology and opinion on radio. I believe he forgot which audience he was speaking to. You cannot go out of text on TV, or make an opinion on any race issue, it will and has bitten many on the butt.
I really think his analogy on the media was correct. But his use of drugs is another thing all together.
Yes, he did forget his target audience on the Sunday format. Folks there are looking for pure NFL analysis and not political interjection. And, whilst he did mention the race factor initially as a point of overhyping a QB, it was a tip- toe into tabboo ground of potentially offending someone; to which it did. Iteresting to me is that it became an issue, not when said, but rather later in the week when Philly fans and press got upset about a critique of one of thier players (my opinion. )
I am not going to comment on the drug story as I do not know enough about it. I moved into a new house and chose not to get cable or satellite, hence I hear news of the day from co- workers and TDR. I have to then seek out the story on the internet or press to become informed. Hell, I have a hard time getting radio up in these thar hills. I'll have to get back to you on that one later.
ps- I tend to be conservative in my ideals and generally agree with Rush's P. O. V.
I am not going to comment on the drug story as I do not know enough about it. I moved into a new house and chose not to get cable or satellite, hence I hear news of the day from co- workers and TDR. I have to then seek out the story on the internet or press to become informed. Hell, I have a hard time getting radio up in these thar hills. I'll have to get back to you on that one later.
ps- I tend to be conservative in my ideals and generally agree with Rush's P. O. V.
Frank, try getting your news here http://news.google.com/
You have the choice of hundreds or sometimes even thousands of different sources for the same story. Pick the source you trust.
You have the choice of hundreds or sometimes even thousands of different sources for the same story. Pick the source you trust.
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"When I heard him say that about Mc nabb, I thought, "
That was stupid to say. ",
TRUE, but stupid, freedom of speech is long gone, boys. "
Are you saying Rush was arrested by local or federal officials for speaking his mind?
The constitution guaranties the right to free speech. It doesn't guaranty people will like what you have to say.
That was stupid to say. ",
TRUE, but stupid, freedom of speech is long gone, boys. "
Are you saying Rush was arrested by local or federal officials for speaking his mind?
The constitution guaranties the right to free speech. It doesn't guaranty people will like what you have to say.
I'm surprized this hadn't come up. I read this as McNabb was equally displeased with Dean's comment.
Personally I see no use for political analysts (right or left) flapping their mouths on the radio or the TV, EVER, but that's JMO.
I also see no use for drug abusers to ever be allowed to keep their jobs as entertainers/professional athletes/media/etc. If it were known that I had a drug problem, (which I don't btw) I'd be fired immediatly, no questions asked. again JMO.
TPC,
If you made your bosses hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm sure they would wave the pee test.....
On the other hand, nothing has been proven yet, now has it?
If you made your bosses hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm sure they would wave the pee test.....
On the other hand, nothing has been proven yet, now has it?
Drugs
I would be gone in a heartbeat for drugs. Of course if I screw up, I blow up. If he screws up, it gets blown out of proportion. He is in the public eye and should think a little harder before he opens his mouth.
I would be gone in a heartbeat for drugs. Of course if I screw up, I blow up. If he screws up, it gets blown out of proportion. He is in the public eye and should think a little harder before he opens his mouth.
Note I didn't say HE was guilty. Druggies in general no matter how much they make for the company shouldn't be overlooked, it only sets a bad example and it's a double standard.
Re: Rush bashing
One thing no one here has mentioned that is a big factor in Rush's comments- he supports his comments with facts, something completely foreign to the liberal left (media and Dem party). When Billy Jeff was premature on Monica's dress, the media made him out to be a victim of some "right wing conspiracy" to make him out to be a bad guy for getting some action on the job. But no one in the media has mentioned in recent times all the people associated with the Clintons who have died, disappeared, been indicted on federal charges, etc. Or all his shady real estate dealings in Arkansas. But that would make the media poster child out to be less than the second coming of Christ. The Clintons are evil people, and if you get in the way of their aspirations for power and control, you die. They have no integrity, no honesty, no decency. In other words, they are shining examples of the new Demoncrap- lie, cheat, sling mud on your opponents all you can, cause you sure arent going to win by conventional means- i. e. debating issues, your own track record. Just look at all the flip flopping Billy Jeff did when he was in office. Depended on whom he was adressing what his position on a given topic was. And they have put their support behind Wesley Clark, who until last month was a REPUBLICAN. The man flip flops worse than Bill. They want a loser now so Billary can run in 08, and if she gets the White House, they will destroy this nation worse than they did first time around.
Just think where we'd be if Billary were in office on 9/11. They wouldnt have had the balls to stand up to the Useless Nations, and go into Iraq or Afghanistan (or anywhere, for that matter) on our own. Yes, we are in a war on the biggest cowards the world has ever seen (Billary being a close 2nd). Yes, it will take a long time. Yes, people will die, it WILL cost money. But if we stay the course, we will come out stronger for it, and America will remain great. If we cave in to the politically correct opinions of the left and Europe, we will end up just like them- not free. No hunting, no freedom of speech, the press, no self defense, no economic opportunity, no turbo diesel pickups. But power & control is the #1 concern of the Liberal Left- the more independent and self sufficient you are, the more they hate and despise you.
Daniel
One thing no one here has mentioned that is a big factor in Rush's comments- he supports his comments with facts, something completely foreign to the liberal left (media and Dem party). When Billy Jeff was premature on Monica's dress, the media made him out to be a victim of some "right wing conspiracy" to make him out to be a bad guy for getting some action on the job. But no one in the media has mentioned in recent times all the people associated with the Clintons who have died, disappeared, been indicted on federal charges, etc. Or all his shady real estate dealings in Arkansas. But that would make the media poster child out to be less than the second coming of Christ. The Clintons are evil people, and if you get in the way of their aspirations for power and control, you die. They have no integrity, no honesty, no decency. In other words, they are shining examples of the new Demoncrap- lie, cheat, sling mud on your opponents all you can, cause you sure arent going to win by conventional means- i. e. debating issues, your own track record. Just look at all the flip flopping Billy Jeff did when he was in office. Depended on whom he was adressing what his position on a given topic was. And they have put their support behind Wesley Clark, who until last month was a REPUBLICAN. The man flip flops worse than Bill. They want a loser now so Billary can run in 08, and if she gets the White House, they will destroy this nation worse than they did first time around.
Just think where we'd be if Billary were in office on 9/11. They wouldnt have had the balls to stand up to the Useless Nations, and go into Iraq or Afghanistan (or anywhere, for that matter) on our own. Yes, we are in a war on the biggest cowards the world has ever seen (Billary being a close 2nd). Yes, it will take a long time. Yes, people will die, it WILL cost money. But if we stay the course, we will come out stronger for it, and America will remain great. If we cave in to the politically correct opinions of the left and Europe, we will end up just like them- not free. No hunting, no freedom of speech, the press, no self defense, no economic opportunity, no turbo diesel pickups. But power & control is the #1 concern of the Liberal Left- the more independent and self sufficient you are, the more they hate and despise you.
Daniel
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Smokin too much?
Are you smokin too much again Puckkett? You have been believeing what comes out of Rushs mouth? Remember that Rush is in it for the ratings, nothing more. I doubt seriously if he even believes the crap that comes out of his mouth.
Call Clark whatever you want, but he is a real leader ready to take charge of a situation being run by the equivalant of a Boy scout troop leader with a ego and a hangover... .
Nobody wants to control you, and a leftwing conspricy it ain't. This is how the lies spread, this is how they spread hate and split up America. Shame considering we need to be together right now more than ever.
Are you smokin too much again Puckkett? You have been believeing what comes out of Rushs mouth? Remember that Rush is in it for the ratings, nothing more. I doubt seriously if he even believes the crap that comes out of his mouth.
Call Clark whatever you want, but he is a real leader ready to take charge of a situation being run by the equivalant of a Boy scout troop leader with a ego and a hangover... .
Nobody wants to control you, and a leftwing conspricy it ain't. This is how the lies spread, this is how they spread hate and split up America. Shame considering we need to be together right now more than ever.
Re: Drugs
Of course, we must consider, that your bosses may be looking for any excuse, to get you out of there! LOL! Just kidding, buddy!
Drug tests are only for the blur collars, I mean blue. I have a feeling Rush could do lines of coke on his desk, and nobody would say a word.
Originally posted by Champane Flight
I would be gone in a heartbeat for drugs. .
Of course, we must consider, that your bosses may be looking for any excuse, to get you out of there! LOL! Just kidding, buddy!
Drug tests are only for the blur collars, I mean blue. I have a feeling Rush could do lines of coke on his desk, and nobody would say a word.
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I don't think Rush said anything on that show that anyone should be particularly offended by. I don't watch pro ball, but Saturday in Austin there were 80,000+ fans going in to watch UT vs. Kansas State, and I'd bet 75% of them had a strong opinion on the UT quarterback situation - Chance Mock (white) playing 2 series, then new sensation Vince Young (black) playing 1 series. Vince came in and played brilliantly, and ended up staying in the game for the win. I'll bet $$$ that the term "overrated" was thrown at both of those young men by several thousand people that afternoon, depending upon which side of the QB controversy they championed. Wonder if it was used by any of the commentators, and if it was did any of them lose their job?
Is Rush correct in that the media has an interest in seeing a black quarterback succeed, and perhaps goes easy on them as a consequence? I don't know, like I said I don't watch pro sports. I do know that there has been a lot of media fuss over the last several years about the paucity of blacks at QB and in the coaching "power" positions in the pro sports, so the issue must be of interest to somebody or it wouldn't get ink.
Back when Gerry Cooney was trying to do some heavyweight boxing against the champ, there was all kinds of press about how he was being boosted because of the "Great White Hope" factor, and I seem to remember it being discussed and argued about on TV at the time and the black boxers saying he wasn't a real contender and was overrated just because he was white . Don't remember anybody being pressured to resign over it though.
Also, earlier this year there was a big to-do in the local papers about some woman golfer who was playing in some big tournament with the men, they gave her a lot of ink and air coverage because of the presumed public interest in seeing her compete with the men. Were the media biased in their coverage out of interest in seeing her do well against the men? Who knows, sure must have been good for circulation or they wouldn't have trumpeted it though.
Looks like a tempest in a teapot to me, but then I never have understood why people get all het up over games. We have soldiers dying in the Middle East every day, yet the big media event is a commentator hurting someone's feelings. Hmmm. Death and blood vs. hurtful comments. Good to know what's important.
Is Rush correct in that the media has an interest in seeing a black quarterback succeed, and perhaps goes easy on them as a consequence? I don't know, like I said I don't watch pro sports. I do know that there has been a lot of media fuss over the last several years about the paucity of blacks at QB and in the coaching "power" positions in the pro sports, so the issue must be of interest to somebody or it wouldn't get ink.
Back when Gerry Cooney was trying to do some heavyweight boxing against the champ, there was all kinds of press about how he was being boosted because of the "Great White Hope" factor, and I seem to remember it being discussed and argued about on TV at the time and the black boxers saying he wasn't a real contender and was overrated just because he was white . Don't remember anybody being pressured to resign over it though.
Also, earlier this year there was a big to-do in the local papers about some woman golfer who was playing in some big tournament with the men, they gave her a lot of ink and air coverage because of the presumed public interest in seeing her compete with the men. Were the media biased in their coverage out of interest in seeing her do well against the men? Who knows, sure must have been good for circulation or they wouldn't have trumpeted it though.
Looks like a tempest in a teapot to me, but then I never have understood why people get all het up over games. We have soldiers dying in the Middle East every day, yet the big media event is a commentator hurting someone's feelings. Hmmm. Death and blood vs. hurtful comments. Good to know what's important.
Re: Smokin too much?
Once again we are in disagreement CF. Isn't the Left the bunch who wants our guns? Gun control is people control in the extreme, isn't it?
And isn't it the Left historically been the "tax and spend" bunch? Isn't reducing my take home pay a form of "control?" (Don't lose sight of the fact that all taxes are ultimately paid by the retail consumer. )
Wasn't Hilliary's (one of the Left's better known members) infamous "Health Care Reform" chock full of rules and regs? Wasn't it an attempt to "control" 1/7th of the US economy? Didn't it dictate and regulate my health care choices at the point of a gun?
I'm sorry but any group or organization that promotes more Federal power in the form of more rules, regulations, agencies, commissions or whatever is in the business of "control" whether that is their true intent or not.
Tim
Originally posted by Champane Flight
Nobody wants to control you, and a leftwing conspricy it ain't. This is how the lies spread, this is how they spread hate and split up America. Shame considering we need to be together right now more than ever.
Once again we are in disagreement CF. Isn't the Left the bunch who wants our guns? Gun control is people control in the extreme, isn't it?
And isn't it the Left historically been the "tax and spend" bunch? Isn't reducing my take home pay a form of "control?" (Don't lose sight of the fact that all taxes are ultimately paid by the retail consumer. )
Wasn't Hilliary's (one of the Left's better known members) infamous "Health Care Reform" chock full of rules and regs? Wasn't it an attempt to "control" 1/7th of the US economy? Didn't it dictate and regulate my health care choices at the point of a gun?
I'm sorry but any group or organization that promotes more Federal power in the form of more rules, regulations, agencies, commissions or whatever is in the business of "control" whether that is their true intent or not.
Tim
Pot calling the kettle black?
The gun control laws in effect in Colorado were enacted and passed by Republicans, not Democrats. You are confusing people who are against guns that are outspoken and Democrats. On the national front, the brady bill comes to mind, Republican backed. The assault ban is the only one that comes to mind, that was passed by the Dems.
This administration just spends! Hillary didn't get very far on health care, about as far as the insurance company backed republican controlled congress, then after taking a few bucks on her own, left happy! This administration has passed more laws, rules, regs to control us than any in history! Not to mention put the US in debt, spend money, lie to the American people, bomb and rebuild country's at our expense, and start the largest bureaucracy ever.
The left is not the enemy, it is a balance between the two sides that makes us great. That is why our forefathers gave us this system of government, so no one person or group of persons could control. The guns are there for this reason too.
The gun control laws in effect in Colorado were enacted and passed by Republicans, not Democrats. You are confusing people who are against guns that are outspoken and Democrats. On the national front, the brady bill comes to mind, Republican backed. The assault ban is the only one that comes to mind, that was passed by the Dems.
This administration just spends! Hillary didn't get very far on health care, about as far as the insurance company backed republican controlled congress, then after taking a few bucks on her own, left happy! This administration has passed more laws, rules, regs to control us than any in history! Not to mention put the US in debt, spend money, lie to the American people, bomb and rebuild country's at our expense, and start the largest bureaucracy ever.
The left is not the enemy, it is a balance between the two sides that makes us great. That is why our forefathers gave us this system of government, so no one person or group of persons could control. The guns are there for this reason too.
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