Smarty 3rd Gen

[WoodT]

Im wondering how it will stack with something like Juice or Tripledog... i already have juice/attitude but not too happy with it.

 

[Tomeygun]

Im wondering how it will stack with something like Juice or Tripledog... i already have juice/attitude but not too happy with it.

I will stack it with my TST like the day it comes...

WOO-HOO!!!! here comes the FUEL!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MRaynor]

Is it actually out yet? I decided against programmers almost 100% due to warranty but this has definitely caught my attention. I have read all the way through this thread, and would just like to see more specs. The last I saw there were unanswered questions, but I also have seen how thorough Marco and his team are and that is VERY IMPRESSIVE I just wish more were like that. I look forward to seeing more about SMARTY.

 

[Marco]

Gang,

Hardware is ready, alfa test is in progress, beta very soon...



I'm full steam working on the CaTCHER softwares for the CR's right now.

Just to relax a little from that work, I have a question for you.



How should I lay out the ten different softwares?

I mean to say, in the second gen Smarty the even numbered SW's are without added timing, the odd ones increase the timing. Works OK for the 2nd gen, but for the third?



For those not familiar with the second gen Smarty.



Second gen software levels :

#0 = Half power

#1 = Fuel saver

#2 = Adds only fuel and allows more boost ( boost fooling )

#3 = Fuel + Boost + increased timing

#4 = "soft caTCHER" ( similar to #2 but takes a little torque limiter away )

#5 = like # 4 but adds timing

#6 = " Mild CaTCHER" similar to #4 but takes more torque limiter away

#7 = like #6 but added timing

#8 = The CaTCHER, no more torque limiter

#9 = same as #8 but adds timing



Granted, I want to keep # 1 & 2 also with the CR but the others?



How would YOU like them?



One thing to keep in mind. While the SW's for the 2nd gen deliver all about the same top power ( from #4 up ) that would not be very practical for the CR's. Too much power to be had from the common rail, that could/would kill a stock truck( transmission comes to mind)... Some kind of different power levels are a must, combined with what or what not?



Pressure? Timing? Duration?



Gentleman, it's your turn! Shoot them out, I'm all ears... :-laf

Any special wishes?



Marco

P. S. The "idle up" feature will be enabled in all softwares.

 

[CWebster]

What about the 3rd injection event (and/or the pre injection)? Will any of the programs eliminate it or allow some changes? Eliminating the extra injection events or allowing changes to them is what would put me over the edge on purchasing one... . is this something the 3rd gen Smarty will do?



Chris

 

[DGStrate]

Desire(s)

Marco,



Thanks for asking for our 3rd Gen input... !



While I believe I would hold out until warranty is up (I am working on breaking the 100k mark quickly!), I just wanted to put in my $. 02 worth here...



Timing - highly desired on the sluggish (retarded) 3rd Gen trucks!



Duration - Another highly desirable feature (like the VA boxes offer)



Pressure - I do not know about others, but I know that pressure is not a feature that is desirable on 3rd Gen trucks. The injectors do not seem to hold up well over long time periods of time with higher pressures. I have also spoken to friends who have modified injectors (DDP, etc) and they have been warned to stay away from pressure-type boxes by the injector people.



3rd Injection event - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE offer a way to get rid of this fuel sucking feature!



I am definitely not an "authority" on these trucks, but I have done a lot of reading/research on these forums. I welcome anyone else to comment on this posting, and advise me if I am incorrect about any of the above opinions or statements.



Thanks for the opportunity to speak out!

Keep up the GREAT work - you have superb talent with these trucks!



-Derek

 

[Sled Dog]

What about the 3rd injection event (and/or the pre injection)? Will any of the programs eliminate it or allow some changes? Eliminating the extra injection events or allowing changes to them is what would put me over the edge on purchasing one... . is this something the 3rd gen Smarty will do?



Chris

Good question. 3rd injection event. Might even help milage.

 

[Tinman]

I would like to be able to choose how and how much power could be made. Choosing timing, pressure, and duration values independently would be the cat's meow. That way each owner could do what he (or she) pleases. Variably adjustable timing could be used to find what works best for mileage. Duration and pressure (which I don't want) adjustment for power. This is asking a lot and it may not be possible. This set up would not be idiot proof. One could easily destroy a good engine with this kind of control, so it won't be for those without proper knowledge. With 3 different variables for fuel delivery, everyone has their own opinion and desire as to how they make performance. Choosing, say, 10 different options might not be able to capture the largest market for this product. Just my $. 02

 

[KevinO]

I vote for no torque limiter on all the settings and no third injection event.

 

[Tomeygun]

Pressure? Timing? Duration?

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Marco

P. S. The "idle up" feature will be enabled in all softwares.

I would like to be able to set a maximum value for rail pressure. Either that or dont program any of the ten tunes to go over 26500psi





And will the "idle up" feature be on even the manual trans trucks?

 

[BHaner]

From IdahoCTD on NWBombers.com



We need a speed limiter removal on all levels.



Level 1 1/2 power so those of use that want big injectors and pumps can still pass emissions

Level 2 Fuel Economy

Level 3 Timing only

Level 4 Towing 50hp

Level 5 100hp No pressure

Level 6 100hp + pressure

Level 7 As much hp as you can on duration

Level 8 All you got



That's my . 02

Nathan

I like that. Also, tire size recalibration, and a way to read fuel rail pressure (requested and actual) would be nice.

 

[Matt400]

How should I lay out the ten different softwares?

I mean to say, in the second gen Smarty the even numbered SW's are without added timing, the odd ones increase the timing. Works OK for the 2nd gen, but for the third?

Works for me except. . "fuel" is too generic IMO for many of us.

On the caTCHER's that add fuel I would like to see what manner its added.

Substitute fuel for- duration and or pressure for each level.



Speaking of levels, looks like only one fueling change on #2 and then that same fueling increase applies to #3 through 9 correct, or is the fueling different?

 

[Big P]

After having a Catcher ECM in my 02, I am really looking for the same effect on my 05, you know, that FUN TO DRIVE FACTOR! Oo. I know that the common rail has so much more possibilities, but I would like to see options that are not available through the other aftermarket companys. Like others have said, possibly remove the 3rd injection event for better milage. Definelty more low boost fueling like the 2nd gen Smarty. Wether it's from pressure, timing, duration, or all three, I don't know, I'm not smart enough to offer an opinion on how it's best done. I think most would agree to do it as efficiently (smoke and egt wise) as possible though. Like Tomeygun said, I would like pressure set to a max of 26500psi also, but maybe ramp it up sooner. I also want torque management gone, I want to step on the go pedal from a stop and actually feel it GO! I have the transmission to handle it. I'm really looking forward to purchasing this downloader because I know it will be great!

 

[Matt400]

3rd Injection event - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE offer a way to get rid of this fuel sucking feature!

I am not convinced it sucks fuel. Its my understanding that all 3 events totaled, contribute to the overall power and the 3rd is not simply wasted but injected later in the burn.



My 05 got 1. 5 less mpg than my 03 till I changed the timing and now they are the same.

 

[DGStrate]

3rd injection event...

I am not convinced it sucks fuel. Its my understanding that all 3 events totaled, contribute to the overall power and the 3rd is not simply wasted but injected later in the burn.



My 05 got 1. 5 less mpg than my 03 till I changed the timing and now they are the same.

Matt,

I may be wrong on this, but from what I understand, here is how the 04. 5s and up work... The fuel is injected late in the cycle (retarded timing) in order to meet emissions [as when you up timing, you up NOx emissions]. You are correct from what I have read - increasing the timing does seem to increase mileage. The 3rd injection event from what I know was designed in order to keep the cat converter hot thus increasing its efficiency in reducing emissions. Seems odd - burn more fuel but decrease emissions... ?!?!?!



Also, no flames here, just trying to have a productive discussion...



Matt or others, feel free to chime in - I love learning more about these trucks!



-Derek

 

[bmallen]

"Marco

P. S. The "idle up" feature will be enabled in all softwares. "



Are you talking about the "idle up" feature that is adjustable by the cruise control? (I hope) I don't think I could live without it.

 

[TheWolf]

definatly "idle up"feature!!! Have options of pressure and 'No" pressure. that way you can turn pressure on for dyno, drag sled pulls and then turn it of for everyday driving. Pressure seems to be a no no with the cr.

 

[Scrappy]

from above:



From IdahoCTD on NWBombers.com



We need a speed limiter removal on all levels.



Level 1 1/2 power so those of use that want big injectors and pumps can still pass emissions

Level 2 Fuel Economy

Level 3 Timing only

Level 4 Towing 50hp

Level 5 100hp No pressure

Level 6 100hp + pressure

Level 7 As much hp as you can on duration

Level 8 All you got



That's my . 02

Nathan



#1-3 as they are above

# 4 =small increase in pressure

# 5 =small increase in duration and pressure

# 6 =small increase in timing, duration, and pressure

# 7 =large increase in pressure

# 8 =Large increase in duration and pressure

# 9 =Large increase in timing, duration, and pressure



#4,5,7,8 for us TST owners, #'s 6,9 for those that don't want to stack.

That is just what I am thinking.

# 8

 

[AK RAM]

Just get rid of Torque Management on the standard output autos and life will be good. Other than that, I can't think of a feature that would entice me to buy one.

 

[Devan Manis]

fuel up to 4,000 rpm, in some mode sort of like an after purchase downloadable feature somewhat similar to a crazy larry, with bully dog.