Smarty 3rd Gen

[Giachino]

My thoughts. Smarty has unlimited possibilities (esp with Marco's dedication & efforts), but it cant be all things to all people and get to market soon! How about a baseline smarty (software load ver 1) that has a good blend of programs to target a broad audience... . e. g. a mileage mode, stock truck safe mode(s), and full perf mode(s)... . (I'm not technical enough to specify what)... . this way it can get to market without spending 80000 hours on software dev / test.



Then in the future, you can offer smarty Hi-Perf (software load ver 2)... . with 10 levels of crazy for those that have 10k invested in their trucks... .



and then smarty "stock to mild perf" (software load ver 3)... for those of us that dont yet have the transmission / turbo / ... ... .....



Each software load could contain 10 programs relevant to the buyers situation..... and could be downloadable via the web like the gen 2 software.



All versions could have the following

--Fuel Saver Mode: (timming only???)

--Disable Tq Mgmt Mode: but no power adding

--Towing Mode: (50-60hp) w/ tq mgmt mods per ????What ever is safe

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Hi-Perf (software load ver 2) could have the above 3 standard modes + 6 combinations of crazy: timming/duration/pressure/tq mgmt combinations / power levels... . that support stacking with common boxes like tst,... this grouping assumes transmission/turbo/intake at a minimum and could be much more aggressive

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Stock to mild perf (software load ver 3) could have the 3 standard modes + 6 combinations of moderate performance... maybe offer 1 or 2 more aggressive modes specific to having the transmission done / or perhaps the turbo... .

-- Level 4: More agressive than Tow Mode, but not the max a stock truck can handle

-- Level 5: Max Power / Min Tq Mgmt that a stock truck can handle long term

-- Level 6: Built transmission: Increase power / torque / tq mgmt to max but maintain stock turbo limits

-- Level 7: Aftermarket Turbo: Increase power / tq / some tq mgmt... . utilize the higher turbo efficiencies... . but dont backoff the tq mgmt enough to fry a stock trans

-- Level 8: Combo of 6 & 7

-- Level 9: Screw it, I want a new transmission anyway mode... . pour the fuel!



Sorry if this is long winded, out of town on business and bored! Looking forward to buying a smart: I want increased throttle resp, minimize tq mgmt, and some additional power, nothing too crazy on the power.



Marco and team, keep up the good work!

 

[Marco]

Looks like most don't like pressure. My thought ! I think I'll add pressure only to the high Hp files where as much as possible is wanted. The others will be Duration / Timing / Torque limiter based.



There's no doubt that we'll offer different tunes as updates on our web page.

( Same as we already do for the second gen )

From mild to wild, it's only a mouse click away. That's not a problem!

It's clear as mud that Smarty will have to leave our place with SAVE for everyone softwares. Later then it's up to the customer what he wants to do with his Smarty.



Misc.

- I'm not completly sure yet if the idle up feature ( CC )will work with the stick trucks.

- I'm working on the third injection. Turning it "simply" off does produce some silly side effects. Working on it... ( It'll come! I hope!!!

- A lot of stuff boiling in the pot.



Keep 'em comming!



Thanks.



Marco

 

[WCounts]

The 3rd gens are a different animal. Much more can be done with programing. I have heard the multiple injection events need to stay. They change with driving conditions and the truck runs smoother and quieter with them. Some duration boxes like tst only see the main injection event any way. So at a heavy load you only get one event. My truck is heavily modified. Just about every thing I didn't like I changed when it came available. Every bodys truck is going to be different and they are going to want a different program. Maybe some custom. It can be done with a lot of work. A lot of folks won't need multiable boxes on their trucks any more with the Smarty.

 

[Tomeygun]

I think I'll add pressure only to the high Hp files where as much as possible is wanted. The others will be Duration / Timing / Torque limiter based.





Misc.

- A lot of stuff boiling in the pot.



Keep 'em comming!



Thanks.



Marco

wow, with pressure I will take off the EZ - no pressure, leave on the EZ



I can see alot of dyno time will be needed to figure what will be best. I think the Smarty will be better to use pressure only because it seems you will have much better control over it...



BTW - I know i have mentioned it before, BUT the higher RPM limiter would be worth it wieght in gold... Simple as that

 

[lmills]

oh yes Tomey. Can you say 4-4500??

 

[Marco]

Carfull what you say! I'm listening.....

 

[WCounts]

Wouldn't we need to upgrade our valve train to run higher rpm?

 

[lmills]

Carfull what you say! I'm listening.....

I know you have, So have I.

 

[lmills]

Wouldn't we need to upgrade our valve train to run higher rpm?

yes, springs at the least

 

[mattymac]

What about at a mild 36-3800? Probably springs are a good idea for sure but is it necessary at that RPM level?



I think raising the R's up to a funner safe level (36-3800 R's) just to liven em up a bit would be nice then a big jump (4500 or so) for the big guys with springs/cp3 mods.

High idle via the CC on the manuals would be sweet!

Pressure advace on the higher levels but a pressure limit would also be a great safegaurd.

The Smarty lists look great from my point of view! I cant wait, Keep it up Marco!!!

 

[tkerrigan]

The fuel milage subset may be able to use a small amount of pressure increase to aid fuel atomization. This is from Mark Chappel's seminar at May Madness. He is working on a fuel milage only box.

 

[lmills]

What about at a mild 36-3800? Probably springs are a good idea for sure but is it necessary at that RPM level?



I think raising the R's up to a funner safe level (36-3800 R's) just to liven em up a bit would be nice then a big jump (4500 or so) for the big guys with springs/cp3 mods.

High idle via the CC on the manuals would be sweet!

Pressure advace on the higher levels but a pressure limit would also be a great safegaurd.

The Smarty lists look great from my point of view! I cant wait, Keep it up Marco!!!

Actually, being able to adjust the RPM limit to what ever you want in 100 RPM increments would be very nice.

 

[CATCRACKER]

it is my understanding that one of the problems with most pressure boxes is that when you are towing they keep a high psi in the rail at all times which tends to wear on parts. for the 03-04. 4 the ez cannot be turned down in cab which for me would be a main reason for adding the smarty with pressure and getting rid of the ez. now adding pressure is good for bottom end and that why alot of folks use the p boxes.



there are two groups those with tst to stack and those without

i will address those with



those with tst, non stock trannys, turbos, or lift pumps

1. no pressure (extended fueled rpms)

2. low increase fuel pressure ( all the way thru stock rpms)

3. moderate fuel pressure ( all the way thru stock rpms)

4. high fuel p off idle backing down to moderate (thru extended fuel rpms)

5. balls to the wall fuel p with max psi setting (thru extended fuel rpm)

6. with tst on 0/0 smarty's timing and duration 60hp (tow mode)

7. with tst on 0/0 smarty's timing duaration 100hp

8. with tst on 0/0 smarty's timing, duaration, fuel p aka "pavement assault"

9. tst on high setting, to stack secret smarty setting for those with valve train mods 4600rpms off idle full fueled max rail pressure from smarty aka "smart ***"



high idle (manual included), speed limiter removal, tire recal



with that said i dont know what all you can do that the tst doesnt (200+ hp with 500+ tq gains can you do this with just the shorty)? the tst is nice b/c you have a huge adjustabilty for cp3 mods injectors water meth etc. i i dont think you can meet that on the fly adjustability with just 9 settings. for high hp crowd those with tst i think you ought to get with tst and make settings that are ment to stack and control things the tst cant. a stand alone programmer with all the usual setting is a different while probably bigger market. in other words for 3rd gen have a stackable smarty and non stacking smarty



Macro you are the man and what ever you do. . THANKS FOR ASKING US. I will support whatever you put out and if you need beta tester holla... i been around for just a little while hehe



later Dave

 

[Tomeygun]

Carfull what you say! I'm listening.....

come now - dont tease. Really. I mean it. Dont tease me...



If I had even 5 cents for everytime I floored it in 3rd gen and when the turbo lit I could not get into 4th fast enough and was at 3400 (popping and missing because of no fuel)... well, I would have enough to buy a smarty, thats for sure...



Even enough to get to 3600 would be great, I dont even need alot of power in that rpm - just the same fuel as 2900 - Just to aid in shifting time...



PS - John and I and have spoken about this feature ... .

 

[mattymac]

If I had even 5 cents for everytime I floored it in 3rd gen and when the turbo lit I could not get into 4th fast enough and was at 3400 (popping and missing because of no fuel)... well, I would have enough to buy a smarty, thats for sure...

Try that in a closer ratio 6spd!

 

[MCummings]

Marco,



The pressure is the same thing as timing in the 3rd gens.



Odd's need pressure, even's don't. (not sure about ood and evens, but you get the drift?)







Is there any way to be able to have adjustable features for the smarty similar to a hypertech



e. g. Raise Speed limiter, Yes - No?



Raise RPM Limit, Yes - No?

If yes, adjustable in 200RPM incremements, if no, then next option.



Increase rail pressure Yes - No? then have 2-3 settings.



Delete 3rd injection even Yes - No? ...



Add timing Yes - No? (should this be percentage or set * ?)



Modify Torque Management Yes - No ? 50% tq lmtd, no trq mngmnt



High Idle Enable Yes - No?



Fuel Saver w/cruise control enable Yes - No?



Cold Start High Idle Enable Yes - No ?







My Two cents. .



Merrick

 

[Devan Manis]

what about some kind of check list of updates you can download. For example, release a couple generic versions of smarty (general, mild perf, high perf, then make it so when you up date it over the web, there is a list you can put a check by the programs you want (explain what they use to get the end result), up to ten, then download those, ten at a time, if those ten don't do it for you delete those ten and try another ten, or delete 5 and keep 5 then try 5 other ones free of charge as long as there can only be ten on the smarty at a time.

 

[Tomeygun]

I dont know about everyone else, But these last few pages have really got me pumped about this product...



Not because of the power, heck I am good on that. But all the other cool stuff that MAY be available...



I'M PUMPED!!!!!!

 

[Tinman]

What MCummings said. Pretty much what I was thinking.

 

[Big P]

I dont know about everyone else, But these last few pages have really got me pumped about this product...



Not because of the power, heck I am good on that. But all the other cool stuff that MAY be available...



I'M PUMPED!!!!!!

I hear you. My 05 runs no where near as good as my 02 with the Catcher.