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I had both a flaming River and Borgeson shaft. Both would have worked well without the bad bearing. The Borgeson shaft was less likely to clunk due to the sliding joint but the slightly tighter fit (I think they us a leaf spring to take out the play) make the lower end of the column thump even more. The Borgeson people were very nice but none of us knew why, at the time, the shaft clunked more than the stock one.



Also note I locked my bushing in place with a stainless sheet metal screw, or two, thru the side when I put it together.



Scott
 
New Bushing Fabbed & Installed Now...

Thanks Scott, for more input. My father in law & I fabbed a new bushing last night from round Nylon plastic stock - it fits perfectly, friction fit into the lower column 'outer tube', from where the black plastic 'bearing cup' was removed, with a precise 1" center hole for the inner steering shaft.



Slop is gone - we pray the irritating 'clunking' is also gone !!



I'll try to add pics -



We had to cut the 'spring retainer washer' with a die grinder, to remove the spring. It will be special effort to find a source, as the ID of this unique 'spring retainer washer' is larger than even specialty hardware stores carry. (think I found the mfr - checking now)



That raises a question: Do you think the spring is really necessary now that we have a one-piece Nylon bushing ?



My dad says "No, not needed because the spring was only used to 'force' a preload on the lower internal column bearing (on it's friction cone), which we replaced. "



I think it might be, for excessive 'end play' prevention - and I note, you added your stock spring back in, too. ???



I can re-install and test, and just add the spring & retainer later quite easily from the engine compartment.



A thought: We'll install & test right away. If it works, and the clunking is gone, then I am willing to consider fabbing a couple more bushings for testing purposes.



I'd need to have at least one truck that's got the problem and an owner willing to do the procedure. I've got complete photos & notes -



Scott your are first in line if you want to take a look or test it.



The most simple way would be just to publish exact dimensions of the bushing and tips and you guys have at it - I'm happy to do that.



The only hitch is that one needs a lathe and some skill operating it to do the fabbing.



We'll only go into the maufacture & supply of kits if forced to - but being we already did it, we could do it again fairly easily.



thanks, David B.
 
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Stock "intermediate shaft" serves as 'spring retainer'...

In this photo, you can see that the stock Dodge "intermediate steering shaft" upper U-joint with pinch bolt can serve as a spring retainer, too.



Don't know if the Borgeson shaft can, due to it's 'set screw' connection ? I currently have the Boregson on, so I'll give it a try upon installation.



FYI; the Borgeson 'sliding joint' I have is so very stiff, even after greasing it.



It requires significant force to move slightly. I suspect this contributed to the 'clunking' - it's stiffness making it an ideal 'transmitter' of shock up the steering assembly.



Some posts mentioned installing a Borgeson, and the clunking got worse ! (can't say about flaming river shaft)



Anyhow, I did check out the stock Dodge shaft, and it glides smoothly in & out, so I bought it - just 'in case'.



I will test this 'rebuilt column' bushing set up with my Borgeson shaft BEFORE I consider installing the new shaft -



I don't want to prejudice the test results... ... .



DB :D
 
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Test Drive report of rebuilt steering column & pics

Well, I drove the truck 100 miles yesterday with the newly rebuilt column - Wow, what a difference it makes ! :--)



It's no stretch to say that the steering and handling feel is 'better than new' - the stock column must be designed with huge slop even when new - then it gets worse !



As Scott Morneau said earlier: you won't believe how rinky dink the lower column bushing is. YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN ! :{



Funny thing is, I pulled out like 5 Dodge separate parts / pieces:



retainer washer,

preload spring,

spring / bearing bushing,

bearing cone,

bearing,

plastic cup



We replaced it with 1 single machined Nylon bushing, that's it.



My dad says 'what kinda monkey motion thing is this !!'



Must be auto design by burea-c-rats ! (same ones that design our US immigration & border policy ?)



Driving impressions: The steering has a totally different feel. It's not just that it doesn't clunk (that would be enough. . ) but now the whole front end feels laser precise - as if it now has rack & pinion steering. I can now feel all the new front end things I already replaced !



Our dirt road has undulations & uneven dips & creavses and now when I go over them, the groaning & forces aren't felt in the wheel.



Things go bad slowly, we get used to them - the stock column had a loosey goosey feel - now that it's rock solid & precise it's amazing - drives like a new truck !!!



I want to say that I am indebted to Scott Morneau & HEMI - DART for finding the source of the problem & fixing it first - this method of making the lower column bushing (to be described with dimensions below) is but the next development of what they already did. I'd have never tried this, if not for them.



I read every single post (so it seemed... ) of anyone complaining of any funny noise in the front end or steering, and these guys were the only two I found who traced this annoyingly persistent 'clunk, rattle, or popping' sound it to the steering column - to the lower column bushing -- and had figured out a custom fix. Bravo guys !



2nd place award goes to the several guys who had Dodge replace their columns 2 or 3 times - with the same poor design. There was a time around 95-97 when Dodge replaced 'em free - No longer - now, they're $ 700 or so.



My truck had every front end component replaced / upgraded so I knew it couldn't be anything there - it MUST be elsewhere.



I must also mention: my Borgeson steering shaft was a big part of the problem, the sliding joint being way TOO stiff. I don't know if I got a bad one, or they're all that way. I collapsed it to allow room to reconnect the rebuit column, and it couldn't be pulled up. I removed it, put it in a vise, still couldn't pull it up. Might need disassembly.



Good thing I had bought a new one at Dodge parts yesterday. I know it's a stocker, but I feel it is an improved part - looks beefier than the stock original unit, and it glides so easily, it won't put stress on the column.



While researching this problem, I noted, a lot of guys did the Borgeson shaft, and their 'clunk' remained or got worse. Not every time, but many times. That joint MUST move freely, or bad things happen.



Anyhow, I will put out how exactly we made this lower bushing for those who want to do it themselves. It's simple if you have a lathe or access to one. I may make some and offer them here if I get enough requests - pm me or post here if you want one that way.



Details: (refer to pics in posts above)



Nylon (white color) - Delrin or other plastic might work, too

Round stock 2. 10 " diameter



1. 75 " inches long (or depth that goes in column lower tube)



Turn down OD to 2. 040" for approximately 1. 65 " of it's length, leaving a small shoulder at the top that that is 2. 10 " (our original diameter) for about . 10 of the length (depth).



At the end opposite of the shoulder end, you may wish to 'turn down' the Nylon a bit further, a few thousands more, to assist in getting the bushing 'started' into the tube upon installation.



NOTE: This is important - the shoulder is what stops it when you drive it into the lower column tube - you must not make the shoulder diameter larger than the outside of the lower column tube, or the rebuilt column won't fit through the bottom toe plate.



Now, precisely (again, we used the lathe) drill a 1" hole in the center of the nylon bushing, going slowly so the material doesn't overheat.



There, it's made.



To get off the stock junk parts, just cut very carefully- (we used a die grinder with a very small cutting wheel) - the steel retaining washer that holds on the spring, then once the spring is off, carefully pry out the cheap plastic lower column bushing & bearing assembly.



Now you can slide the new bushing over the steering shaft and into the tube, using a proper diameter piece of pipe - we used a chunk of PVC - drive it into the lower column housing tube.



You're done. Now the column can be reinstalled in the truck. We highly suggest using the "steering column removal" instructions in the Factory service manual for reference.



If you lack the manual, a good resource is to sign up for the use of them online at www.AllDataDIY.com -



Sorry I didn't get a photo of the finished bushing by itself -but the pics of it in the end of the column show it pretty good.



I sure hope this can be of help to quite a few of you fellow TDR guys that have struggled with this problem. Post here or PM me if you have any futher questions.



I may post this as a new thread, too.



Take Care, David B.
 
I just saw the above pics, and let me add: You don't need to reinstall the stock spring at all. It was only necessary for the stock arrangement - not for our 'bushing fix'. I found it bound up upon turning the wheel - and the upper column bearings take care of any end play concerns.



I'll start a new thread announcing this fix, and post a few pics there.



DB
 
Hi Jesse:



We're looking into that. Gonna do a little more development on it, plus testing on an 'auto truck' (my truck that I fixed it on is a manual trans), before I offer anything for sale.



My father in law has the lathe so it can proceed from here... I'd say give us a couple of weeks for that to happen... . keep your eyes here on the forums. Did you see the other thread where I announced the fix ?



Other guys are chiming in with their reflections and 'pre order comments'. We're trying to see if it can be done 'on truck' - no removing the column... take care,



David B.
 
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