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Engine/Transmission (1998.5 - 2002) The EASY way to disable your HY wastegate!!!

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Ok guys, I've tried all of the different ways listed on this site to disable the HY wastgate (22 shell, springs, wire), but I have found a fix that takes about 2 minutes and can be done without getting under the truck.

You will need:

1 - 4. 5"-6. 5" spread turnbuckle w/a loop on one end and a hook on the other
1 - nut and lock washer to use as a jamb nut on the turnbuckle
1 - s-hook (or bent 10p nail)

Put the jamb nut and lock washer on what ever end of the turnbuckle has the standard threads.

To make the install easier, remove the intake hose that runs between the turbo and the air box.

Put one end of the s-hook through the looped end of the turnbuckle and clamp the s-hook so it won't come off.

Hook the other end of the s-hook on the lower side of the wastegate head mounting bracket, next to the compressor housing (between compressor housing and wastegate head)).

Hook the other end on the flat wastegate arm on the turbo side, as close to the actuator rod as possible.

Tighten the turnbuckle until it is snug and then tighen the jamb nut against the turnbuckle.

Re-install the air hose to the turbo and airbox.

Thats it! Takes about two minutes to put on and take off! Total cost is less than $5. BTW, DON'T do this while the turbo is hot #ad
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With my EZ, I'm now seeing 30+ psi of boost (guage only goes to 30 psi - time for a new one!).

If any of you guys try it, let me know what you think.

Steve


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2001 2500 SLT QC LWB 4x4, AT, 3. 54 anti-spin, tow package, camper special, snow plow prep, travel group, SRW, RKE, fog lights, bright white / agate
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Cody gooseneck hitch, silencer ring?, A-pillar mounted VDO Vision EGT/transmission temp/boost guages, Mopar Performance transmission pan, EZ, Westin nerfs, Alpine tunes

[This message has been edited by zman (edited 02-17-2001). ]
 
zman, I'm not sure what a turnbuckle is but I'm going to go to a hardware store to see if I can find one. I have an EZ box and it sounds like this is a quick fix. Any chance that you have pictures or can get ahold of a digital camera?

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2001 2500, QC, 4X2, SLT, 24 valve, ISB, A/T, Tow Pkg, Bright White Clear Coat
DTT VB, TQ, Smart Box, PacBrake, PowerEdge EZ Box, Bosch 275 Injectors, AutoMeter Triple Pillar,Isspro Gauges Pyro/Trans/Boost, Trans Cooler, Avitol Alarm, OEM Roof Lights, OEM Fog Lights, Flip/Tow Mirrors, Tint Windows, Cobra CB, Ram Polished 3rd Brake Light, Eyebrows, Pace Edwards Rolltop, Toro Bed Liner, Carr Super Hoop/Deluxe HoopII Steps, Husky Front/Rear Mats
1998 33. 5' Hitchiker Discovery Triple Slide 5th Wheel.

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Id be interested too, I really want to block that hardine.



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2001 QuadCab,SWB,Auto, 4X4,4" Flowmaster Exhaust, Bosch 275 Injectors, K&N... ... ... .
 
Here is a line drawing of a turnbuckle. They should be available at just about any hardware store.

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You adjust the turnbuckle by putting an open end wrench on the barrel (center section) and turning one way or the other. Depending on which way you turn it, it either pulls both ends in (tightens) or pushes both ends out (loosens).

You want one that adjusts from 4. 5" to 6. 5". I bent the hook end so it was more like a sideways "U".

Let me know if you have any install questions. This fix is an easy on - easy off solution. The wastegate won't be able to move at all!

I'll try to get my hands on a camera and post a picture or two.

Steve

[This message has been edited by zman (edited 02-17-2001). ]
 
Sig,

My experience with the EZ has been lower EGTs (post turbo) during normal driving. I have yet to put a good load behind it since the EZ, so I can't say that the EGTs will stay low in that situation. I'll try to get some pictures of my setup tomorrow night.

Steve
 
All you guys with the 2001 Models, what about me? !998. 5, Blue Box (not EZ). I am concerned about setting over-boost code. That **** "check engine" light gives me nightmares.

You know your getting old when you can't even go to Chrysler dealer without dropping $200. 00 for them to give you an absurd answer for your money.
 
Steve, that saying where "a picture (or drawing) is worth a thousand words" is uh... worth a thousand words, I guess #ad
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I understand that the EGT's will go up and it may not work for towing a 14,000lb 5th, but I still gotta play and see what all the EZ box will do.
Thanks for your help.

Mark

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2001 2500, QC, 4X2, SLT, 24 valve, ISB, A/T, Tow Pkg, Bright White Clear Coat
DTT VB, TQ, Smart Box, PacBrake, PowerEdge EZ Box, Bosch 275 Injectors, AutoMeter Triple Pillar,Isspro Gauges Pyro/Trans/Boost, Trans Cooler, Avitol Alarm, OEM Roof Lights, OEM Fog Lights, Flip/Tow Mirrors, Tint Windows, Cobra CB, Ram Polished 3rd Brake Light, Eyebrows, Pace Edwards Rolltop, Toro Bed Liner, Carr Super Hoop/Deluxe HoopII Steps, Husky Front/Rear Mats
1998 33. 5' Hitchiker Discovery Triple Slide 5th Wheel.

My Pix.com
 
Pictures, as promised:



A view from the bottom side of the truck. Shows the relative position of the turnbuckle and its attachment points. Make sure you use a jamb nut!

<img src=http://members. home.net/swa240z/turnbuckle/tb3.jpg>



A top veiw of the wastegate actuator arm and rod. Shows hook end of turnbuckle attached to the actuator arm.

<img src=http://members. home.net/swa240z/turnbuckle/tb1.jpg>



A top view of the s-hook that is hooked to the wastegate actuator head mounting bracket.

<img src=http://members. home.net/swa240z/turnbuckle/tb2.jpg>



See install instructions at the top of this thread. Hope this helps!



Steve



[This message has been edited by zman (edited 02-20-2001). ]
 
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Hmmm, Rather than cut into the line, you are actually mechanically preventing the actuator from functioning. Any concern about overboosting since there is now no way to dump 'too much' boost??

K. I. S. S.
 
I suppose that a real hot setup would cause too much boost. But with just the EZ and maybe 275's or DD1's, I would think that too much boost wouldn't be a problem.

If I'm wrong, someone please let me know. I'm not ready to trash a $35k truck just yet.

Steve
 
I've read about some kind of pop off valve that probably could be included to prevent over boost. Talking with others, I am told that the stock turbo can only generate so much boost and thus may not be a problem until you add the nitros or propane kit.

Suggestion, talk to some of the turbo gurus to best protect your investment. Off the top of my head I'd suggest trying to reach Dave Mitchell, Sportbike, HVAC, and others on the TDR who've gained that turbo knowledge to be able to steer you in the right direction.

Do you have a peak hold boost gauge (like SPA)? I would think it would be very important to have something that is faster than your eye to insure you are staying in a safe zone. Plugging the SPA, you can set it with a warning LED that would help get your attention when (for example) you might be racing a good looking gal in a Corvette... . #ad
 
Originally posted by David_VT:
Hmmm, Rather than cut into the line, you are actually mechanically preventing the actuator from functioning. Any concern about overboosting since there is now no way to dump 'too much' boost??

K. I. S. S.

david , is there such a thing as too much boost ?? #ad
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and whats with the K. I. S. S. ???? you haven't gone soft on us ?
 
MOPAR, While I may be from Vermont, don't worry about me. #ad


The K. I. S. S. was to him for his nice simple idea!
Keep
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Simple
Stupid

By the way I understand you are about to get busy in the BOMBing department... #ad
 
Hey zman! The pix helped alot. It really was easy. Turns out I had a few turnbuckles hanging on a hook in the garage. I didn't realize that when you turn the middle section that it tightens up the whole thing. Excellent thinking on your part! I haven't heard any negatives to using it yet. The pavement was wet this evening so I didn't want to get too crazy. The most I could get up to on the boost gauge before was 20psi. I got an extra 5psi with the turnbuckle.
Thanks for the help.

Mark

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2001 2500, QC, 4X2, SLT, 24 valve, ISB, A/T, Tow Pkg, Bright White Clear Coat
DTT VB, TQ, Smart Box, PacBrake, PowerEdge EZ Box, Bosch 275 Injectors, AutoMeter Triple Pillar,Isspro Gauges Pyro/Trans/Boost, Trans Cooler, Avitol Alarm, OEM Roof Lights, OEM Fog Lights, Flip/Tow Mirrors, Tint Windows, Cobra CB, Ram Polished 3rd Brake Light, Eyebrows, Pace Edwards Rolltop, Toro Bed Liner, Carr Super Hoop/Deluxe HoopII Steps, Husky Front/Rear Mats
1998 33. 5' Hitchiker Discovery Triple Slide 5th Wheel.

My Pix.com
 
Mark - I'm glad the mod worked out, but with your mods, you should be seeing more boost than 25psi. I'm seeing about 30psi (unloaded) with just an EZ. Make sure the turnbuckle is still tight. Did you use a jamb nut? If not, the turnbuckle could loosen up.

Steve
 
I will be under the hood tomorrow, are small hands a must for the job? I have large hands.

zman how in the heck did you get those great camera shots?

I can hardly get my hands past the turbo...

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01 Dodge Ram 4X4 QC
 
Steve, I checked out my turnbuckle today and it was a little loose. I switched to a heavier S hook that seems to stay in place better. The other thing is I had to replace the jam nut as it didn't match up with the threads quite right and slipped.
Bob, I thought the same thing when I saw the camera shots... how'd he do that? It took me a while to figure out the camera angles. One of them looked to me like there is a hole that the S hook goes into but there isn't, it just wraps around the metal.
I called Edge Products today to make sure that I would not be screwing anything up by using the turnbuckle. I was assured that since all I have are 275 injectors and the EZ box, that it wouldn't. They said that in fact, my EGT's should be lower as more air will get into the turbo. After getting the turnbuckle installed right I went from 20 psi up to 32 psi unloaded. It's awsome!
Thanks again, Steve!

Mark


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2001 2500, QC, 4X2, SLT, 24 valve, ISB, A/T, Tow Pkg, Bright White Clear Coat
DTT VB, TQ, Smart Box, PacBrake, PowerEdge EZ Box, Bosch 275 Injectors, AutoMeter Triple Pillar,Isspro Gauges Pyro/Trans/Boost, Trans Cooler, Avitol Alarm, OEM Roof Lights, OEM Fog Lights, Flip/Tow Mirrors, Tint Windows, Cobra CB, Ram Polished 3rd Brake Light, Eyebrows, Pace Edwards Rolltop, Toro Bed Liner, Carr Super Hoop/Deluxe HoopII Steps, Husky Front/Rear Mats
1998 33. 5' Hitchiker Discovery Triple Slide 5th Wheel.

My Pix.com
 
Mark - Awsome news! I knew something wasn't right since I'm seeing about 30 psi unloaded with only the EZ. Make sure you use a lock washer with your jamb nut. Also make sure all of the clamps are tight from the compressor to the intake. Lots of folks have reported loose clamps - which can cause a loss of boost.

Bob - The camera shots were tough since there isn't much room on top. It took several trys to get one good shot. In regards to how to get to everything from the topside, I worked from the left side of the turbo (facing the truck) and reached under the turbo to put everything in place. Once you remove the intake hose between the airbox and the compressor, you'll have lots of room to work. If that is still a problem, you can always get to everything from the bottom side. Good luck. Email me with questions.

Steve



[This message has been edited by zman (edited 02-23-2001). ]
 
This sounds too easy not to cause problems or not actually create more power. Has anyone experienced the check engine light coming on or any fault codes being triggered? With the overboost situation, wouldn't the fuel be cut back and thus negating the benefit of more boost?
 
Turbo Horseman - your're right, you could set an overboost code by only disabling the wastegate. If you use a boost module or a fueling/timing box that has a boost module built in, you won't set off an overboost code. I know that TST and Edge products include boost modules with their boxes. The VA/Plug-N-Power do not have boost modules built in. You would need to buy a boost module if you own one of those boxes. I have the Edge EZ with boost module built in - no overboost codes here. #ad


Steve
 
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