Toyo: Open Country A/T Not impressed.

[Newf Limo]

Thanks Eric,

Something to consider. I will watch for input on the MTs between now and the next time I have to purchase tires.

 

[AH64ID]

And yet, I have gotten 45k - 50k miles out of the tires!!!

I wonder how many miles you would have gotten out of a set of smaller tires?



The is a LOT more rubber in a 37 to make the tires last than a 32-33" tire. The 37's also start with 2/32nds more than the 285's.



Just a thought. I have always heard good things about the M/T's, but they don't make a size I like nor do they come at a decent price.

 

[Regcabguy]

I like mine a lot,but their M-55 is my favorite Toyo tire. Unfortunately,Toyo doesn't offer anything bigger than a 265-70-17. :{

 

[04blackcherry]

I will definitely keep my eye on my sister-in-law's '05 CTD. She went with the Toyo M/T's 'cause they looked cool. I think they are 285's. She has a horse, so I will find out about towing with them also. The only thing I've heard so far is they are a little noisirer than what she had before. For me, the BFG's are working well. I haven't gotten to the end of their life to see how long they last. The Toyo's are more money than I have been able to justify at this point.

When I bought my truck they had 265 Toyo A/T's on it. My only issue was diameter and they were too anemic looking. Toyo M/T's in 315 just might be "cool looking".

 

[AH64ID]

I like mine a lot,but their M-55 is my favorite Toyo tire. Unfortunately,Toyo doesn't offer anything bigger than a 265-70-17. :{

I would really like a set of M55's. I send them an email or call them every few months asking for larger tires in a 17" rim. A 255/80/17 would really sell, as would a 285/70/17.



They do make a 275/70/18, but if I am going to spend money on wheels it will be fore some 19. 5's.

 

[Regcabguy]

I would really like a set of M55's. I send them an email or call them every few months asking for larger tires in a 17" rim. A 255/80/17 would really sell, as would a 285/70/17.



They do make a 275/70/18, but if I am going to spend money on wheels it will be fore some 19. 5's.

I had them on my '98. 5. Excellent compromise tire. I signed a petition posted on the DTR site asking for larger 17" sizes. There were over 100 signatures. I recently sent them another e-mail and got a polite response,but no forecast.

 

[Superglide]

AH64ID: Yes, I tow occasionally and leave the pavement. I'll tow the trailer (27 ft Jayco Eagle) twice a year about 750 miles total. Of course, I air up then. Also see the gravel as my cabin is up country.

 

[MisterBean]

Jeff. Please educate us. I think we would like to know why you feel that way about BFG's and what tires you do like. I believe constructive discussion about a subject is the beauty of the TDR. Agree to disagree is a good thing.

My 01 2500 QC SWB 4X4 came with these and I had to "upgrade" at 28k miles. In my travels from VA to NM, I traversed a ton of killer tornadoes (with associated down pours) from Alabama to East Texas, feet of snow from NE Washington to Northern NM, etc. Other than super-fine powder snow, and not being too particularly pleased with the mileage issue, BFGs worked pretty darn good.



When I was milling around southern central TN, I ran across a guy (who might be on here???) that used his Cummins to fix/work on gas and diesel fuel pumps in the back hills throughout TN. At the time, he had a 99 2500 QC LWB 4X4 with 210k on it. He "HIGHLY RECOMMENDED" Big O and he also recommended upgrading from the 265s to 285s. His reasoning was this... It adds another inch of travel height and softens the road bumps and only throws your speedo off by a couple MPH at 70. So, I did it! Best change (other than all-around Amsoil) I ever made to the truck. Never had any power steering issues... Nothing... Just my $0. 02...



Oh, and I totally agree with your comment about discussions and opinions shared here is the absolute BEST part of the TDR!!!

Mark

 

[CADZOOM]

I have a 2002 Dodge CTD with Toyo A/T 285/75-16's. At 10000 miles the tires are almost gone. I might get another 2000 or 3000 more miles out of these. I do mostly highway driving with some off road with a camper. Very poor for tires this expensive!

 

[Regcabguy]

I have a 2002 Dodge CTD with Toyo A/T 285/75-16's. At 10000 miles the tires are almost gone. I might get another 2000 or 3000 more miles out of these. I do mostly highway driving with some off road with a camper. Very poor for tires this expensive!

Longevity reports on this tire are all over the map. Mine have had two owners w/campers on regcab 2500 4wd's. My friend went to 35" Toyo Mt's,so I bought his rims and 285-75-17 AT's. They already had 21K on them. He never rebalanced nor rotated them. They got better treatment from me. I replaced them with 36K of use with MT's of the same size. The wear bars were showing on the rears. It was time.

 

[TFucili]

I am baffled by Toyo. I have MTs on my truck now, and they are wearing OK, nothing remarkable either way at 10K miles on them. Time will tell. But on the car side of things I just had to order fresh tires for my wife's Charger, as the Toyo Versados on it are nearly to the wear bars at approx. 21K miles, and that is with regular rotation and proper inflation. That is terrible. What's weird is that we had run Versados on a previous car and they wore very well. I ordered BFGs this time. It seems to me that Toyo has pretty inconsistent manufacturing.

 

[BIGNASTY]

Jeff. Please educate us. I think we would like to know why you feel that way about BFG's and what tires you do like. I believe constructive discussion about a subject is the beauty of the TDR. Agree to disagree is a good thing.

Damn some words of wisdom Agree to disagree. Not making a joke blackcherry just pointing out that for some to disagree means you have no clue or your point is not a valid one Thanks for being on TDR with your enlightened views BTJMO :-laf

 

[SVick]

I have personally run 3 sets of Toyo A/T's with between 20-22k miles each set. These were 285-70-17 on 2500 and 3500 SRW trucks. Good tires except for they wear out too fast. I run BFG A/T on wifes Excursion, on second set, first went almost 45k miles, also 285's. I wonder if Toyo has different plants that produce their tires and not all are really equal. I no longer run Toyo tires.

 

[Drewhenry]

Load index?

Toyo makes many different tires with varying load indices. I am currently running 35x12. 50R17 125Q. I have about 30K miles on them and might make 40K. They are a load range E. It is my belief that most people buying tires don't consider the load index or the speed rating. For example the 35s have a 125Q index and speed rating which translates to 125=3640lbs at max pressure and Q=93mph. I am considering Toyo A/T 285/75R17 128S E. These tires have a load index of 3970lbs and a max speed 112mph. I am hoping the increased load index along with increased speed rating will increase tire life, but I am not certain. I would also like to consider having my tires siped. Siping seems to help incredibly with tread life as it allows the lugs to flex without overstressing. , at least that is the way my friends with siped tires explained it.



The other tire I am considering is a Cooper Discoverer ATR 315/70R17. This tire is a load range D. With an index 121=3197@65lbs and a speed rating R=106.



I really have no need to drive at any of those speeds. Maybe the learned out there can shed some light on whether load indices and speed ratings are worthwhile examining or are they just a bunch of hogwash?!!

 

[MisterBean]

Well, Drew, I am NOT "learned", but I do know that siping adds TONS of life to your tires. It allows them to run cooler during warmer weather because of the additional flex created by the siping and they grip better on sand, snow, & ice because of the additional grip created by the siping. That's my $. 02 on siping. All I know about load indices is that I always ran E on my 2500 because the tireman said a D wasn't enough, unless I never did any towing or hauling, which I did plenty of... Best wishes!!!

Mark

 

[AH64ID]

If you live 100% on the highways and don't tow I could see siping helping; however, if you tow or drive on dirt roads the siping will shorten the tire life. The tq that these trucks put to the ground just rips the sipes apart and wears them out much faster. My dad and I have experimented siped and unspied on our trucks and the tires with siping wear much much faster. I will never sipe tires on a diesel truck again, even the local tire shops agree.



Siping on a LD rig, or one that doesn't tow is great and does what it should. I have had great restults with siping on every rig but my diesel.

 

[brods]

It is good to hear all the experiences, both good and bad. The 285/75-17 AT's on my truck have 36K miles and will easily make it past 40K, not sure about making 50k though. They see some dirt/gravel roads every trip. Towing, rain, snow, on the highway, on dirt roads, they have given decent performance. Just recently we had enough snow where the axles were dragging and the truck had to work to push its way through. The Toyo's handled it without an issue (though it is mainly flat around here) and I'm sure there are other tires that would be much better in the snow. For their price it would be nice if they would last in the 60k+ mile range. These Toyos were made in Japan and there have been posts speculating the ones made elsewhere do not hold up as well. Who knows. Like the OP, BFGs are my favorite brand, unfortunately they do not have a 285/75-17 size.

 

[04blackcherry]

That's why I have been looking at 18" rims. The BFG's in 18" sizes are E rated, but you got to stuff 'em in the wheel wells.

 

[JCyrbok]

I got 55k out of my Open County's stock size load E on my truck. Decent traction, mileage etc. Price was right at the time.



Have 5k on some Bridgestone Dueler Revo 2's and really like em.



J-

 

[Gonzo 1066]

I had Toyo's on my 01 3500, Nearly got 25,000 miles out of them, Noisy,poor traction poor handling to say the least. I replaced them with Michelens and they are still good with 60. 000 miles on them. Toyo's were one of my worst purchases ever.