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I copied and pasted this portion of a post by Mike Mitchell, NuWa (HitchHiker) CEO in a discussion regarding trailer tires on the NuWa Owner's Forum.
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"Read the following and learn from this RV.net fellows research. MIKE

As we banter about regarding tire types and loading, I believe that we are finally starting to understand a few important things.

I have asked many times for someone to explain how a ST tire can be rated to carry more weight than a LT tire in a similar size, without a good answer.

The answer lies in what is called reserve capacity. To quote from Trailer Parts Superstore and this same statement exist on just about every tire site:

HEAVY DUTY 'LT' TRUCK / TRAILER TIRES
'LT' signifies the tire is a "Light Truck/Trailer" series that can be used on trailers that are capable of carrying heavy cargo such as equipment trailers.

If a tire size begins with 'LT' it signifies the tire is a "Light Truck-metric" size that was designed to be used on trailers that are capable of carrying heavy cargo or tow vehicles. Tires branded with the "LT" designation are designed to provide substantial reserve capacity to accept the additional stresses of carrying heavy cargo.

So what is reserve capacity? It is capacity beyond the rating of the tire, capacity that is held in reserve. This reserve capacity comes from the heavy-duty sidewall of the LT type tires. LT's rank at the top of the list when we look at P, ST and LT tires.

Now I finally have an answer to how a ST tire can be rated to carry more weight than a LT tire of similar size.

The ratings of ST tires infringe into the reserve capacity of the tire. This is double bad, because the design of the ST gives us a tire with less reserve capacity to start with as it has a lighter sidewall to start with as most ST tires are much lighter than their LT counterparts.

To quote one tire site:
"Put a different way, the load carrying capacity of an ST tire is 20% greater than an LT tire. Since durability is strictly a long term issue - and the results of a tire failure on a trailer are much less life threatening than on a truck - the folks that set up these load / inflation pressure relationships allow a greater... ... ah... ... let's call it load intensity. "

There it is in print to be read. They make a calculated decision to give the ST tire a higher load rating because a failure is less life threatening.

I have on a number of occasions pointed out the weight difference between the different tires and have been told that does not matter. Well it does matter. The rubber in the average tire only makes up around 40 some percent of its weight, the rest is in the steel belts, gum strips, steel beads, and the carcass plies. The remaining 60 or so percent of the stuff in a tire is what builds in the reserve capacity.

So to review again, here are some weights:
1. Michelin XPS RIB LT235/85R16 LRE (rated to 3042lbs) Weight 55. 41
2. Goodyear G614 LT235/85R16 LRG (rated to 3750lbs) Weight 57. 5
3. Bridgestone Duravis R250 LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 60
4. BFG Commercial TA LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44. 44
5. Uniroyal Laredo HD/H LT235/85R16 LRE(rated to 3042lbs) Weight 44. 44
6. GY Marathon ST235/80R16 LRE(rated to 3420lbs) Weight 35. 4

So which tires on the list have the most reserve capacity? Well that is not a completely simple answer, as one of the tires is a G rate 110 lb tire and the rest are LRE at 80lb inflation. So if we disregard the G614, then the Michelin XPS RIB and the Bridgestone Duravis R250 due to their all-steel ply construction will have the most reserve capacity inherent in their construction. The twin Commercial TA and Laredo will be next and the Marathon would have little or no reserve capacity available because it was used up in its higher load rating, AND because of it's much lighter construction it had much less inherent reserve capacity to start with.

So what have we learn from this?

I think that the first thing that we learned was that a LT tire can be used at or near it max rated loading without having issues, as they built with "substantial reserve capacity to accept the additional stresses of carrying heavy cargo".

The second thing we may have learned is why ST tires are failing on mid to larger 5th wheels, in that they do not have inherent reserve capacity beyond that rated max loading. Again this is because they have less reserve capacity to start with and their greater "load intensity" used up any reserve capacity that might have been available.

Now, here is an interesting bit of information. I just called Maxxis Tech Line and asked the weights for two tires.

ST235/80R16 LRD 3000 lb rating at 65 lbs of air weights 38. 58
ST235/80R16 LRE 3420 lb rating at 80 lbs of air weights 43. 43

What??? The Maxxis load range E tire weights almost the same as the Commercial TA?? This is a ST tire that has heavier construction than the GY Marathon at 35. 4 lbs. So it has more inherent reserve capacity due to its heavier construction.

Those that claimed its virtues maybe did not know why it was a better ST tire than some of the others, but there it is! It is a heavier built tire with more reserve capacity.

So as one chooses a replacement tire or is asking for an upgrade on a new trailer please get educated on where the reserve capacity exist. Is it inherent in the tire you choose or do you have to factor it into the weight rating of the tire you choose.

Those with heavy trailers that are switching to 17. 5 rims and tires rated to 4805 lbs and getting a double injection of reserve capacity, in that they are using a tire with lots of inherent reserve capacity and the tire has much more capacity than the application. It is all starting to make sense.

I have learn a bit this week, hopefully others have also.

Chris"
 
Outstanding post!!I have been building and working on trailers for years but have never read such a detailed description on tires before. Again... . great post!!



Alan
 
This is a very long (and informative) post, but it doesn't address the most fundamental issue regarding ST vs LT... There are no LT tires that will work in 15" sizes.



For those of us with 15" wheels and tires and potential packaging issues with going larger, we are stuck with 15" ST tires...
 
Snoking, you're famous on the internet. Even the CEO of NuWa Industries, Inc. copies your posts!

LRutiglianao. Well, that's not exactly accurate. There are obviously lots of RVs using 15" wheels and tires but certainly there are also many thousands of larger ones in service with 16" wheels and tires.

Most trailers with OEM 15" tires could have 16" retrofitted. I measured the outside diameter and IIRC found the ST225/75-R15 GY Marathons on my Avion were very close to the size of six lug 16" wheels and LT225/75 R16" BF Goodrich or Michelin LRD real light truck tires.
 
Harvey is right. I just changed from ST235/75R15 to Mich. RIB on 16 inch rims and the diameter went from 28. 9 inches to 29. 9 inches. That's only 1/2 inch difference in ride height and puts the tandem tires only 1 inch closer together. . I had plenty of clearance on my wildcat.
 
Great post! Where would I find 16" 6 lug wheels to replace my 15's? I need at least 2 new tires anyway and I would like to go a little bigger and get more reserve capacity. Thanks.
 
I posted almost the same article from Motor Home Magazine a few days ago...

We had a trailer with 15" tires and I was able to find 16" rims that would fit the axle, and than mount the 16" commercial tires... the over all OD of the 15" and 16" were very close to the same size but we upgraded from a 2500 lb tire to a 3042 lb tire...
 
Great post! Where would I find 16" 6 lug wheels to replace my 15's? I need at least 2 new tires anyway and I would like to go a little bigger and get more reserve capacity. Thanks.


SouthWest Wheel Southwest Wheel Company Steel and Aluminum Truck Wheels is an excellent source. They offer a plain six lug 16" steel spoked wheels or simulated "mod" wheels painted aluminum color for something like $25 or $30 last time I looked. Their inventory and pricing can be reviewed on their website.
 
I posted almost the same article from Motor Home Magazine a few days ago...



We had a trailer with 15" tires and I was able to find 16" rims that would fit the axle, and than mount the 16" commercial tires... the over all OD of the 15" and 16" were very close to the same size but we upgraded from a 2500 lb tire to a 3042 lb tire...



Article? I wrote it and posted it on RV.net. SNOKING
 
This is a very long (and informative) post, but it doesn't address the most fundamental issue regarding ST vs LT... There are no LT tires that will work in 15" sizes.



For those of us with 15" wheels and tires and potential packaging issues with going larger, we are stuck with 15" ST tires...







Louis, just upgrade to 16" wheels. They're not very expensive.



I like my Michelin XPS Rib, LRE tires on my Fox.
 
Great "article". :-laf Bet ya didn't know you were into the writing business Snoking! Anyway, this is a timely read as I just lost another ST tire the other day. It wasn't a total failure, but in a few more miles it would have been. That's 3 out of 4 tires that I purchased last summer with recent construction dates. When I get new tires, the 16" thing will definitely be investigated. However, I have to find out if my AL-KO axles are part of what appears to be a bad run before I sink any more $$ into tires.
 
I just upgraded my Wildcat 5er from the stock 15" wheels to 16" wheels. I live in the north Texas area and was able to go pick up my tire/wheel package from Southwest Wheel in Irving, TX. Thanks Harvery for pointing me in their direction a couple of months back. I just pulled my trailer to Leadville, CO with no problems.



I did not go with radials. Rather, I went with the LT7. 50 -16 tires. These tires are 3" (or 4"??) larger in diameter than the tires I took off. But, I still have around 2'' between the tires on my tandem axle trailer. The tires are rated at 2755 pounds. I decided that would be plenty for me, seeing that my axles are rated at 5200 pounds each.



Time will tell how well these bias ply (10 ply) tires will hold up. At this point I do not know if I will stick with the bias ply or upgrade to a radial when I do replace them.



Great post, and information worth filing away.
 
This is a very long (and informative) post, but it doesn't address the most fundamental issue regarding ST vs LT... There are no LT tires that will work in 15" sizes.



For those of us with 15" wheels and tires and potential packaging issues with going larger, we are stuck with 15" ST tires...



Hmmm. I replaced the ST 205/75R 15 tires on my Play-Mor with Michelin LT 215/75 LTX tires. The bas news is that Michelin no longer makes truck tires in this size. Others do, and they gotta be better than Chinese made STs. Unless the LTs are also Chinese. :mad:
 
I took my newly bubbled tire to Les Schwab the other day and asked them "Why are my tires doing this"? There is no apparent alignment issue, my pressure is where it supposed to be, and I stay under 65. His assessment was that I am too heavy for the tires. The trailer is rated at 11,000 loaded. I know I am not that heavy, but am not sure of individual tire weights. I think this goes back to the OP point of the safety margin. These ST tires, even when not at their max capacity, are far closer than an LT of the same size and weight capacity. I am now looking at the options for 16" rims and LT tires. I'm tired of driving down the road looking in my mirror every 20 seconds waiting to see shards of rubber and trailer parts spewing from the side of my trailer. Again.
 
I posted almost the same article from Motor Home Magazine a few days ago...



We had a trailer with 15" tires and I was able to find 16" rims that would fit the axle, and than mount the 16" commercial tires... the over all OD of the 15" and 16" were very close to the same size but we upgraded from a 2500 lb tire to a 3042 lb tire...

What tires and what size did you go to?
 
Hmmm. I replaced the ST 205/75R 15 tires on my Play-Mor with Michelin LT 215/75 LTX tires. The bas news is that Michelin no longer makes truck tires in this size. Others do, and they gotta be better than Chinese made STs. Unless the LTs are also Chinese. :mad:

Your new Michelins will last you five or six good years. If you still own that trailer after that and if BF Goodrich still makes the Commercial T/A tire in the same size that tire is almost as good as a Michelin. Next best choice would be one of the high quality Japanese brands if you aren't opposed to Japanese tires for issues of nationalism. Bridgestones and Yokohama are, I think, good tires although I've not owned them in truck sizes.
 
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I'm sorry... . the trailer is here running 235/85/16 LT tires... we found some 6 hole chevy truck wheels that fit the axles... I can't remember the size of the old tires... we use this trailer as a car hauler and pickup hauler... when I had a bunch of Fords it seemed we were always chasing one of them... injectors and under valve cover wiring...

There all gone... the Fords that is... and now I've got an old 65 Cornet that needs some work... sitting on it... .
 
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