Upgrading the 48RE!

[flattracker]

Not really wanting to get in the middle of this but there is a lot of misinformation being posted here as fact and as I am probably one of the few people on here currently running both a DTT and a TCS steel stator in my two trucks here goes. Item one it doesn't cost 400. 00 to ship a convertor from TCS 59. 19 to the midwest I have the ticket in front of me. Item two I can tell absolutely no difference in stall or performance between the two running a VA on the DTT a TST powermax on 5x5 on the TCS no slippage in either unit. Three several claims of faulty build specs made against TCS but no specifics, TCS is a ISO 9000 certified builder that they suddenly started turning out substandard work is highly suspect. Four if DTT knows that the TCS built convertors they sold were built out of spec where in the hell is the recall? Lastly I have no affiliation with any transmission supplier and will probably have to go to Bolivia to purchase parts after posting this.

 

[KKlingbeil]

Item one it doesn't cost 400. 00 to ship a convertor from TCS 59. 19 to the midwest I have the ticket in front of me.

First- Did you order a TCS converter from DTT when they still had them making them, or directly from TCS?? From what "I" was "told" by a respected unamed person was that TCS doesn't have a warehouse in the USA and that you have to pay customs which is expensive, 400, maybe i dont know the exact number, but customs is expensive.

Three several claims of faulty build specs made against TCS but no specifics, TCS is a ISO 9000 certified builder that they suddenly started turning out substandard work is highly suspect. Four if DTT knows that the TCS built convertors they sold were built out of spec where in the hell is the recall? Lastly I have no affiliation with any transmission supplier and will probably have to go to Bolivia to purchase parts after posting this.

The now specifics is true as of now, because the problem isn't fixed and done yet, because i cant get back to my closest DTT dealer until April 29 or 30. As as stated before, we are not POSITIVE what or why is actually going wrong. We have a pressure loss in the oil cooler line coming out of the TC, and when this happens the TC slips, and i will say again, we are not positive it is the TC, but we went through the rest of the transmission completely, and have tried different valve bodies. The 48RE valve body currently in my truck does better because it makes more line pressure and the pressure loss isn't as bad, but i can still make it slip. It does it in 2nd gear, 3rd gear, and OD, and by doing it in 2nd it eliminates 3rd gear cluth pack, OD clutch pack, and something else, i dont remember for sure. main line pressure is where it is supposed to be, and the governer solionoid pressure is also where it is supposed to be. All the clutch packs were inspected when it was disasembeled (spelling??) They looked fine. THe pump specs were all fine as well. I am unsure at this point in time of weather or not the three converters where from TCS or the new machine shop, but i will find out and report back. I would assume that the first two were for sure beings the first one got shipped about a week before christmas, and the second one about a month later, but again am not POSITIVE. After the long explanation, what does it all mean?? Well it pretty much means that there isn't much left to be messing up other then the TC or a passage in the case that has a crack in it causing internal pressure loss. Because there aren't that many pressure passages in the case, it would seem that the cause would be weighted more towards the TC, but who really knows. When i find out more info i will be sure to post it!!! Again im not trying to start a war, but if all three of my TC were from tcs and that is the cause then i think this would be information that many people would want to read before purchasing a TCS converter.



PS- If anyone that knows anything about transmissions has any other informational guesses on whats going on with my transmission, that would also be much appreciated.

 

[flattracker]

Ordered directly from TCS no custom charges whatsoever whoever told you that lied to you. If your transmission is slipping in the lower gears it can't be the convertor clutch because it doesn't engage until you you go into overdrive. When you say it is slipping in second and third could be the overdrive direct clutches they are spring applied and have nothing to do with hydraulic pressures, the wrong overdrive thrust plate would also cause the same problem.

 

[Stefan Kondolay]

flattracker, we dont play roulette with our customers. Consistency is mandatory. Having said that for those of you reading this and wondering what is going on it is never easy when you have a parting of the way with a vendor especially if it is over a quality issue. We are not going to get into a debate over a company we do not use for our TC's any longer.



Most guys that choose DTT do so because they trust our technical expertise,they know of Bill Kondolay's reputation as a bulder and his no nonsense attitude towards this transmisison. It gives us an edge because he is a transmisison builder first, he know the weaknesses and set out to fix them. The fact that he understands the functions and uses for each and every part gives us a huge advantage in our design processes. That is not something just anyone can do. This gives us diagnostic strength, if the TC was a stand alone item and the entire problem in this Dodge transmisision we wouldnt even be having this discussion. Anyone could do it. A lot of you out there are professionals in your respective fields and you design and pass on to manufacturers for the next process. The manufacturers know what you want them to know and build according to your specs and as long as they do a good job they get to do the job. It is pretty simple. .



DTT has always maintained this transmissions needs a systematic approach if you are looking for longevity and durability. Our customer base do not like to pay for to do their jobs twice so we advise properly the first time and they know eyes wide open where we stand. The TC is only one component in that process and we have always maintained it is not a stand alone item. Our position on that has not changed . There are many options for those of you that disagree with our approach to choose from but the only place you can get a DTT product from is DTT .



I am getting ready to go racing so you guys have a good weekend, wish me luck, first time out this year with the new motor and right into a a national event .

 

[justinp20012500]

Ordered directly from TCS no custom charges whatsoever whoever told you that lied to you. If your transmission is slipping in the lower gears it can't be the convertor clutch because it doesn't engage until you you go into overdrive. When you say it is slipping in second and third could be the overdrive direct clutches they are spring applied and have nothing to do with hydraulic pressures, the wrong overdrive thrust plate would also cause the same problem.

The band could be shot, or the clutches in the direct drive drum are toast.



Like Flat said, the TC has nothing to do with slipping in second gear. (unless the stator or trubine blads magically got skewed)

 

[Driftwood Ram]

I am getting ready to go racing so you guys have a good weekend, wish me luck, first time out this year with the new motor and right into a a national event . [/QUOTE]



Good luck Oo. Oo.

 

[flattracker]

Stephan I neither stated nor inferred that you played roulette with your customers hell I am one. I simply corrected an untruth about the shipping cost and gave the first hand experience I had with a tcs convertor. The fact that TCS will sell a convertor alone is a market you have repeatedly stated you had no will to participate in so I don't understand the rukus. The fact that you chose to go to another vendor is your right but may I recommend that if you come on here and state that it was because of inferior quality give specifics don't give vague inferences about another mans poor quality work and no specifics to what was wrong with it, reflects badly on both of you. You state that a DTT convertor is built to a higher standard, for twice the price it damn well should be.

 

[KKlingbeil]

If your transmission is slipping in the lower gears it can't be the convertor clutch because it doesn't engage until you you go into overdrive. When you say it is slipping in second and third could be the overdrive direct clutches they are spring applied and have nothing to do with hydraulic pressures.

When you have a "switch" the converter is locked whenever i want it to be. And again, all the clutch packs where went through, and it does it in third and OD as well, and it has been doing it for quite some time, so if it was a clutch pack im pretty sure it would of smoked them beings if they slip they dont last very long. When it was apart the last time, the clutch packs all looked brand new. Again, my transmission didn't just get a TC and Valve body, this was a total rebuild from DTT.



About the converters, buy from who you want to, and good luck, i just thought i would share my bad experience with some converters that came from Tcs through DTT when Dtt still had TCS making them.



About specific details of the quality issues with TCS, i think it is irrelivent, the point is that they were doing a poor job, on what, who knows and cares, you cant have a good system without all components working properly.

 

[flattracker]

With a full DTT rebuild and a low stall convertor I don't really understand why you would still be running a switch but to each his own. If the same person who is telling you it's defective convertors causing the problem is the same one who told you it cost 400. 00 to ship a tcs convertor down here you might want to reconsider the veracity of their statements.

 

[GWoody]

Dang, Y'all are makin me nervous, I been lookin forward to getting a DTT installed for 6 months, thinking it would be perfect as soon as it was in the truck, hopefully tomorrow.

 

[flattracker]

Don't let all these theatrics make you nervous DTT makes and installs a great product. What started all this is there are other routes to go for people able and willing to do their own trans work for less money. The only reason I got into this is there were some untruths being told about shipping and the quality of the other mans product and I had firsthand experience with both as opposed to the people that were getting on here with "I was told by a respected unamed source" .

 

[KKlingbeil]

Having three bad TCS converters is first hand, and if it isn't then i dont know what is... ... . Also, im sorry i was misinformed about shipping a TCS, so i just hope your TCS works out for you in the LONG run.

 

[Matt400]

Having three bad TCS converters is first hand, and if it isn't then i don't know what is... ... .

Hrmm, but what about when you said:

I am unsure at this point in time of weather or not the three converters where from TCS or the new machine shop, but i will find out and report back.

Did I miss a post on confirmation?

Not try to put you in the hot seat, myself and others just want to know where "your" converters originated from. Also why the big secrecy on where the new DTT converters are coming from?

 

[justinp20012500]

Also why the big secrecy on where the new DTT converters are coming from?

Its just like everything in the light truck diesel world. EVERYTHING is a secret.



Just like the b1 series turbos, the b2's, big brother's. The HT2B's, the KillerB's, the HT4+2. 56/4 = some other turbo with the name ground off :-laf



Its on a "need to know" level. The consumers do not need to know. H3LL the distributers do not need to know. The only ones that know are the ones that make it.

 

[KKlingbeil]

Hrmm, but what about when you said:

Did I miss a post on confirmation?

Not try to put you in the hot seat, myself and others just want to know where "your" converters originated from. Also why the big secrecy on where the new DTT converters are coming from?

The first two did indeed come from DTT's old machine shop aka TCS, and the third is unknow at this point because the serial numbers are on the conveter which is still in my truck. About the new machine shop, i dont really know, i know they found another machine shop to make the TC, so as long as they are making the parts to bills specs then i dont think it really matters where they are, as long as they are making quality products. But i wouldn't be alarmed if you already have a TC from DTT, because IF you have troubles im sure Bill will get to the bottom of your YOUR troubles. As many know, BIll stands behind his products in about all possible ways.

 

[Matt400]

The consumers do not need to know.

I wont say what I think of that.



I will say that keeping it a secrete really hurts sales IMO because my first thought is they are ashamed to say.

If they are afraid of others bypassing them for a better deal then the manufacture needs to hold firm on pricing to discourage that practice.

 

[justinp20012500]

I wont say what I think of that.



I will say that keeping it a secrete really hurts sales IMO because my first thought is they are ashamed to say.

If they are afraid of others bypassing them for a better deal then the manufacture needs to hold firm on pricing to discourage that practice.

Its sad, but I am not the one practicing that kind of attitude. I am just sitting here watching it.



When someone starts asking questions or challenges a product the vendors/makers/suppliers (even the consumer that paid twice as much as he should have) get VERY defensive and upset.

 

[flattracker]

Justin earlier today you didn't even know for sure that the convertors were the problem or what the origin of the convertors was now suddenly you know for sure the convertors are the problem and you know exactly where they came from. Did you tear down your transmission today and cut the convertor apart or did you get you get a phone call or email from your trans guy telling you what to say. When speculation turns to first hand knowledge with no further input of facts it is suspect to say the least.

 

[flattracker]

I addressed the wrong person in the previous post should have been KKLING my apologies.

 

[KKlingbeil]

Justin earlier today you didn't even know for sure that the convertors were the problem or what the origin of the convertors was now suddenly you know for sure the convertors are the problem and you know exactly where they came from. Did you tear down your transmission today and cut the convertor apart or did you get you get a phone call or email from your trans guy telling you what to say. When speculation turns to first hand knowledge with no further input of facts it is suspect to say the least.

Yeah i got a phone call, cuz i called about three days ago wondering on the status of the first two converters which have now been cut open, and found bad seals that were blowing fluid by, and the serial numbers were traced to the old company. So what do you want me to do, ignore the fact that the old company may of had some issues with TC's?? I thought TDR was supposed to be a giant bowl of knowledge to find out info about different problems of the dodge truck and the cummins motor as well as good and bad companys, so how does me having bad converters from a company make me such a bad guy for posting that???

Its sad, but I am not the one practicing that kind of attitude. I am just sitting here watching it.



When someone starts asking questions or challenges a product the vendors/makers/suppliers (even the consumer that paid twice as much as he should have) get VERY defensive and upset.

Im not really sure how im getting defensive or upset, as most of this is commical of how some people can be so swayed about a certain product. If you buy one and have good luck with it then thats a very good buy, but the uncertainty of not knowing if it WILL be good is something that is worth paying more money for. Will TCS be around in a few years if/when you have problems, and will they have anything to do with you when it comes to that??( NOt saying you will have problems) Some poeple are concerned with price alone, and not how the company of concern backs their product. You may not be so concerned with this, but pottential transmission customers readying this may want to know how a company is in the long run. I am not just talking about DTT as backing thier stuff, as i know MANY MANY other companies outside of trannys and TC's and even dodge trucks back their products well, and they might cost a little more. THe only thing i will be defensive about is that DTT DOES BACK THEIR PRODUCTS!!!!! Nothing more... .